Tories vote against kids getting free school meals

[cambridgeshire canary 6,668]

Any conservative voters want to try convincing me why not allowing poor starving children free meals is a good thing?

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

10 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Any conservative voters want to try convincing me why not allowing poor starving children free meals is a good thing?

Try a country like Cambodia if you want to see what poor, starving children look like.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,668]

4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Try a country like Cambodia if you want to see what poor, starving children look like.

Ah yes, we must ignore the poverty in this country beacause another country has it worse.

[NFN FC 1,118]

It's not like the Tories are going to send meals over to Cambodia 

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

We have poverty in this country because people make poor choices. There's different reasons for poverty in countries like Cambodia, which has absolute poverty and not the relative poverty found in the UK.

[Herman 9,691]

I can see this being brought up regularly in elections.

[NFN FC 1,118]

19 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

We have poverty in this country because people make poor choices. There's different reasons for poverty in countries like Cambodia, which has absolute poverty and not the relative poverty found in the UK.

So the kids should be punished for the choices of adults? 

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

5 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

So the kids should be punished for the choices of adults? 

The kids are being punished by the poor choices made by their parents. If you want to avoid falling into poverty studies show there are certain things you must do.

1. Complete school to at least secondary level

2. Get a job after school

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

Making a poor choice on any of these things increase your chances of poverty and bringing kids into a situation of poverty.

Rashford's campaign may be well-meaning but does nothing to end long term poverty. He would be much better spending his time to campaign on getting kids to stay at school and not drop out if he wanted to see an end to child poverty.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

53 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Try a country like Cambodia if you want to see what poor, starving children look like.

I've been, the families i saw tended to look after each other pretty well and the kids were fed. Real sense of community and togetherness. That despite a disgusting and unnecessary campaign of destruction from capitalist America that decimated the country. Cambodia is actually one of the worlds fastest growing economies as well.

I didn't notice their government waste billions of tax payer money on contracts for their mates and then claim they can't afford to help either.

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

1 minute ago, Tetteys Jig said:

I've been, the families i saw tended to look after each other pretty well and the kids were fed. Real sense of community and togetherness. That despite a disgusting and unnecessary campaign of destruction from capitalist America that decimated the country. Cambodia is actually one of the worlds fastest growing economies as well.

I didn't notice their government waste billions of tax payer money on contracts for their mates and then claim they can't afford to help either.

Did you run into Pol Pot when you were there?

[Tetteys Jig 830]

Just now, Rock The Boat said:

The kids are being punished by the poor choices made by their parents. If you want to avoid falling into poverty studies show there are certain things you must do.

1. Complete school to at least secondary level

2. Get a job after school

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

Making a poor choice on any of these things increase your chances of poverty and bringing kids into a situation of poverty.

Rashford's campaign may be well-meaning but does nothing to end long term poverty. He would be much better spending his time to campaign on getting kids to stay at school and not drop out if he wanted to see an end to child poverty.

so on points 1 and 2... should we not be doing everything we can to encourage kids to finish school and help them to do so? Why should they be punished for their parents actions? It's absolute peanuts being asked for when you put things in perspective.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

Just now, Rock The Boat said:

Did you run into Pol Pot when you were there?

and how do you think he came about... have a read up on history before commenting you ignorant prat.

[NFN FC 1,118]

3 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The kids are being punished by the poor choices made by their parents. If you want to avoid falling into poverty studies show there are certain things you must do.

1. Complete school to at least secondary level

2. Get a job after school

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

Making a poor choice on any of these things increase your chances of poverty and bringing kids into a situation of poverty.

Rashford's campaign may be well-meaning but does nothing to end long term poverty. He would be much better spending his time to campaign on getting kids to stay at school and not drop out if he wanted to see an end to child poverty.

Still doesn't help today's kids. 

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

1 minute ago, Tetteys Jig said:

so on points 1 and 2... should we not be doing everything we can to encourage kids to finish school and help them to do so? Why should they be punished for their parents actions? It's absolute peanuts being asked for when you put things in perspective.

We should encourage points 1, 2 and 3.

Actions have consequences

Long term solutions are better than a sticking plaster when the patient is seriously ill

[NFN FC 1,118]

Do both long-term and short-term solutions

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

2 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

and how do you think he came about... have a read up on history before commenting you ignorant prat.

Pol Pot came about after studying Marxism in France in the 1940s where he set up Marxist-Leninist cells. And if you think current Cambodia is not corrupt, check up the history of Hun Sen.

In Cambodia it is not uncommon for parents to break the bones of their kids to disfigure them and starve them to maximise their begging income around the tourist traps.

[Herman 9,691]

These right wingers love to bring up this being a Christian country when it suits their argument but given a chance to show some Christian values they'll tell you to sod off.

[NFN FC 1,118]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Pol Pot came about after studying Marxism in France in the 1940s where he set up Marxist-Leninist cells. And if you think current Cambodia is not corrupt, check up the history of Hun Sen.

In Cambodia it is not uncommon for parents to break the bones of their kids to disfigure them and starve them to maximise their begging income around the tourist traps.

This all mainly came about as they weren't giving their kids free dinners at school 

Edited October 21, 2020 by NFN FC

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

These right wingers love to bring up this being a Christian country when it suits their argument but given a chance to show some Christian values they'll tell you to sod off.

Christian values would seek to find long-term solutions to serious social problems. It is definitely unChristian to implement policies that keep people in poverty. As I said, I'm sure Rashford means well, but he is being misdirected.

[NFN FC 1,118]

I think it's very Christian to want kids to go hungry 

[Aggy 747]

33 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The kids are being punished by the poor choices made by their parents. If you want to avoid falling into poverty studies show there are certain things you must do.

1. Complete school to at least secondary level

2. Get a job after school

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

Making a poor choice on any of these things increase your chances of poverty and bringing kids into a situation of poverty.

Rashford's campaign may be well-meaning but does nothing to end long term poverty. He would be much better spending his time to campaign on getting kids to stay at school and not drop out if he wanted to see an end to child poverty.

The measures being voted on were to extend the scheme that was in place over the summer holiday until Easter 2021. They weren’t intended to end long term poverty. They were intended to be because hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of parents who were employed six months ago now aren’t or shortly won’t be through no fault of their own. 

Aside from that, are kids more likely to stay in school if (a) they’ve been getting free school meals over the holidays or (b) they haven’t been getting free school meals over the holiday and have gone and got a job at 14 instead in order to feed themselves?

 

Edited October 21, 2020 by Aggy

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

1 minute ago, NFN FC said:

I think it's very Christian to want kids to go hungry 

I think it's Christian to want kids to not be hungry.

[dj11 377]

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.
 

Did you have anyone specifically in mind?

[NFN FC 1,118]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I think it's Christian to want kids to not be hungry.

Should probably feed the poorest ones this half term then. Might keep them away from thuggery. Might keep them in school. 

[NFN FC 1,118]

1 minute ago, dj11 said:

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.
 

Did you have anyone specifically in mind?

No wonder the PM needs a better paying job. He has a million b@stards to feed! 

[sonyc 5,481]

39 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The kids are being punished by the poor choices made by their parents. If you want to avoid falling into poverty studies show there are certain things you must do.

1. Complete school to at least secondary level

2. Get a job after school

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way-to-end-poverty-and-welfare/

Making a poor choice on any of these things increase your chances of poverty and bringing kids into a situation of poverty.

Rashford's campaign may be well-meaning but does nothing to end long term poverty. He would be much better spending his time to campaign on getting kids to stay at school and not drop out if he wanted to see an end to child poverty.

You probably ought to read the Marmot report(s).

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

2 minutes ago, Aggy said:

The measures being voted on were to extend the scheme that was in place over the summer holiday until Easter 2021. They weren’t intended to end long term poverty. They were intended to be because hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of adults who were employed six months ago now aren’t or shortly won’t be through no fault of their own. 

Aside from that, are kids more likely to stay in school if (a) they’ve been getting free school meals over the holidays or (b) they haven’t been getting free school meals over the holiday and have gone and got a job at 14 instead in order to feed themselves?

 

Will the adults who lose their jobs be receiving child-related benefits as part of their unemployment benefits? And wasn't this the case pre-Covid?

Would it be better to have long-term solutions to eradicate poverty rather than short-term solutions to keep the effects at bay?

The last paragraph is hypothetical so I can't answer it. Is there any prior evidence to suggest what might happen?

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

6 minutes ago, dj11 said:

3. Do not have children out of wedlock.
 

Did you have anyone specifically in mind?

Good one!

The study I'm referring to says this:

81 percent of nonpoor families with children were headed by married couples. This compares to only 40 percent among poor families with children 

I guess there are outliers on the graph

[NFN FC 1,118]

You'd most likely get a generation of hungry kids that turn away from schools and towards crime. Then they'd breed and make more hungry kids. 

[Herman 9,691]

These aren't normal times so stop being contrarian for the sakes of it. There should be long term plans, but at the moment we have this crippling pandemic to deal with.