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And especially looking forward to what Gary sweet Luton has to say about the scam deal 

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If this OP is about the new package put forward by the "big" clubs with regards the future of the Premier League (becoming even more exclusive,) but paying a greater amount of their profits to the Football League then it needs careful study.

Most have said for ages that not enough of the vast PL input cash drifts downwards into the coffers of those less fortunate.

However, the way it is proposed seems scarily like bribery at a time when many clubs are in dire straights and with the aim being to cement elitism at a time when an opportunity to achieve this has arisen due to unforseen circumstances. 

Do they want less home country fixtures in order to pursue the oft-mentioned Euro Super League dream?  It seems that way to the extent that it can be seen as a cynical way of exploiting the hard times of the lesser clubs in order to realise long standing ambitions.

One thing is for certain and that is that the Man U's and Liverpools won't propose anything that makes them poorer.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Eh? 

I think he's referring to the new PL proposals from the biggies of the game. That's the way I read it and responded. Was it worthy the response?

 

Although the reference to "Gary Sweet Luton" has me perplexed.

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The Premier League themselves have criticised it so its a non-starter. 

I especially don't like the bit where 9 clubs get "special voting rights" in the Premier League.

And I don't think the League Cup is theirs to scrap, instead they should give Premier League sides the option to opt out. Don't see why they would though, why not just play their U23's like Wenger used to do at Arsenal? 

The Football League though shouldn't be entirely reliant on the Premier League and FA to come up with all the answers. Why do we even have a League One and League Two, why not have a League One North and a League One South to massively cut the costs of matchdays (e.g. no hotels needed, no long journeys across the country for small sides) with the top two from each going into the Championship.

Northern sides meet Southern sides in the cups, and then there is more of a buzz around those games. That rejuvenates the League Cup and whatever the paint pot trophy is called now. 

That's how Spain and Italy do it. They wouldn't expect Exeter to stump up the money to take their team up to Carlisle on a Tuesday night. 

This would also boost away attendances after the pandemic, and if almost all games are a reasonable distance will see a demand for away season tickets. 

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3 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

The Premier League themselves have criticised it so its a non-starter. 

I especially don't like the bit where 9 clubs get "special voting rights" in the Premier League.

And I don't think the League Cup is theirs to scrap, instead they should give Premier League sides the option to opt out. Don't see why they would though, why not just play their U23's like Wenger used to do at Arsenal? 

The Football League though shouldn't be entirely reliant on the Premier League and FA to come up with all the answers. Why do we even have a League One and League Two, why not have a League One North and a League One South to massively cut the costs of matchdays (e.g. no hotels needed, no long journeys across the country for small sides) with the top two from each going into the Championship.

Northern sides meet Southern sides in the cups, and then there is more of a buzz around those games. That rejuvenates the League Cup and whatever the paint pot trophy is called now. 

That's how Spain and Italy do it. They wouldn't expect Exeter to stump up the money to take their team up to Carlisle on a Tuesday night. 

This would also boost away attendances after the pandemic, and if almost all games are a reasonable distance will see a demand for away season tickets. 

Agree completely. In fact, the bulk of that post pretty much paraphrases mine from yesterday!

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Given the surprise and annoyance of the Culture secretary this morning and also the very cool response from other PL clubs i cannot see this latest idea flying at all. If the PL do not come up with a rescue package for the rest of football pretty quick then they may find one imposed on them as well as governance arrangements.

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

The Premier League themselves have criticised it so its a non-starter. 

I especially don't like the bit where 9 clubs get "special voting rights" in the Premier League.

And I don't think the League Cup is theirs to scrap, instead they should give Premier League sides the option to opt out. Don't see why they would though, why not just play their U23's like Wenger used to do at Arsenal? 

The Football League though shouldn't be entirely reliant on the Premier League and FA to come up with all the answers. Why do we even have a League One and League Two, why not have a League One North and a League One South to massively cut the costs of matchdays (e.g. no hotels needed, no long journeys across the country for small sides) with the top two from each going into the Championship.

Northern sides meet Southern sides in the cups, and then there is more of a buzz around those games. That rejuvenates the League Cup and whatever the paint pot trophy is called now. 

That's how Spain and Italy do it. They wouldn't expect Exeter to stump up the money to take their team up to Carlisle on a Tuesday night. 

This would also boost away attendances after the pandemic, and if almost all games are a reasonable distance will see a demand for away season tickets. 

This must be the end of days as this makes a lot of sense 😅

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

The Premier League themselves have criticised it so its a non-starter. 

I especially don't like the bit where 9 clubs get "special voting rights" in the Premier League.

And I don't think the League Cup is theirs to scrap, instead they should give Premier League sides the option to opt out. Don't see why they would though, why not just play their U23's like Wenger used to do at Arsenal? 

The Football League though shouldn't be entirely reliant on the Premier League and FA to come up with all the answers. Why do we even have a League One and League Two, why not have a League One North and a League One South to massively cut the costs of matchdays (e.g. no hotels needed, no long journeys across the country for small sides) with the top two from each going into the Championship.

Northern sides meet Southern sides in the cups, and then there is more of a buzz around those games. That rejuvenates the League Cup and whatever the paint pot trophy is called now. 

That's how Spain and Italy do it. They wouldn't expect Exeter to stump up the money to take their team up to Carlisle on a Tuesday night. 

This would also boost away attendances after the pandemic, and if almost all games are a reasonable distance will see a demand for away season tickets. 

Really good post.

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

And I don't think the League Cup is theirs to scrap,

Absolutely

However I thought the EFL chief exec is backing these proposals 

Also these are just proposals and would require both the EFL and FA to vote for it to happen

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45 minutes ago, GenerationA47 said:

Absolutely

However I thought the EFL chief exec is backing these proposals 

Also these are just proposals and would require both the EFL and FA to vote for it to happen

Liverpool and Man Utd 'announce' proposals which amount to a naked power grab.

Said proposals receive enthusiastic backing from EFL Chairman Rick Parry.

Rick Parry is the former Chief Executive of........................................... 

Liverpool!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Liverpool and Man Utd 'announce' proposals which amount to a naked power grab.

Said proposals receive enthusiastic backing from EFL Chairman Rick Parry.

Rick Parry is the former Chief Executive of........................................... 

Liverpool!!!!!!

Yep understood on the links and hence apparent attempt at a stitch-up ... but as EFL chairman (cool - not CE - thanks!), he’s not just an ex employee and must have some decent clout in his own organisation, non? I just mean that LFC/MUFC & co are not going to be able to achieve this on their own.

Meanwhile in passing, I see Mr Conn in the Grauniad bigging this up, mainly for the long term 25% of PL tv cash promised to EFL. Reckons the elite clubs‘ power grab is a mere negotiating point. Normally got mucho respect for el Conn but think that is entirely naïve.. and suspect that rather it will be a dealbreaker . 
 

*unless David Conn knows something I don’t, ... which is plausible for an investigative journalist specialising in football finance/structures , versus some guy on a message board...

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My thoughts, for what they are worth, is that the power lies with the people.

Specifically, we can vote a government out. More immediately we can stop subscribing to Sky Sports. And we can delete our Facebook accounts. And not purchase newspapers. At the end of the day all these businesses rely on the British public to fund them. And if we go "on strike" then they will be forced to listen to that. Economic withdrawal is an incredibly powerful tool to modify government and business behavior. 

Similar thought about multi-nationals and access to the UK market. We are incredibly valuable to them, so there is no reason why we can't set the rules for how those companies are to engage in the British economy. That is especially true of "data centric" organizations, like Google, Amazon etc. 

 

Back to the EPL. The message is - it's not "your" league, it's "our game". So thank you American capitalists, but the answer is "no". If you want the exposure that being top dog in the English game brings then these are the rules. Or you can go play in your own sandbox, but there won't be any revenue for that because we aren't buying the Sky sports subscription.

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4 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

I think he's referring to the new PL proposals from the biggies of the game. That's the way I read it and responded. Was it worthy the response?

 

Although the reference to "Gary Sweet Luton" has me perplexed.

Gary Lineker - but autocorrect beat him to it!

PS: sod Webber's view, how do you think Smith & Jones would have voted if we had not got relegated?

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4 hours ago, Yorkshire Canary said:

Given the surprise and annoyance of the Culture secretary this morning and also the very cool response from other PL clubs i cannot see this latest idea flying at all. If the PL do not come up with a rescue package for the rest of football pretty quick then they may find one imposed on them as well as governance arrangements.

It's truly an interesting position, isn't it?

The beauty of the PL's proposal is that they have acknowledged that there is a serious discrepancy in the financial structure of football. (No news there.) However, along with that, they have identified various viable solutions that could be applied to help remedy this discrepancy. Wonderful. Why don't they simply put them into action and immediately resolve 75% of the financial problems that clubs experience from the current model, without all of the caveats of shifting power and control within football? Why revisit this proposal during a time of complete panic and uncertainty? Why hide behind the metaphorical guise, "but we need to do it for the safety and future of the children?"

The top PL teams have basically admitted that:

1.) Their is a financial problem with how football is structured.

2.) That they have the means to fix the majority of the financial problem.

3.) But they won't do it unless...............

 

If you listen very closely to the future this proposal will create, I think I you'll hear Goat Boy's bell ringing.

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A better way to decide the future of the financial structure of football is to allow all clubs a say in the matter.

Power should not be concentrated in the hands of a small elite.

Instead power should be allocated on the basis of average gate attendances.

All professional clubs should be involved and every football fan should be represented in these decisions.

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I can imagine the prospect of League One North games being BCD, whilst South can have fans going down well.

If indeed there are any teams north of Nottingham left.

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If Mr. Webber hopes to be employed by one of the big six in the near future, I expect he will be very neutral in what he says.

There's one simple way to resolve many of these EPl/EFl issues and all the money that is distorting the game and that is for viewers to ditch their Sky and BT subscriptions. If you insist on watching English football from the comfort of your living room then you are the root of the problem.

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