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POLL: How long should Farke Get?

POLL: How long should Farke Get?  

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  1. 1. How long should Farke Get?

    • None, go now
    • 6 more games
    • Until Christmas
    • Forever, and build a statue


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Too early to talk about sacking him but too many more inept displays like that (both on the pitch and from the dugout) and he'll be gone. 

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I don't think you can put a timeframe on it, it's more to do with league position and quality of performance.

If, for example, we don't win any of our next three (very winnable) matches, I believe DF would be on very thin ice. We can't afford to get too far behind the top six, even at this early stage.

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Said Christmas although that obviously comes with caveats. 

Feeling more and more like he had one excellent season and can't recapture it though.

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Wait to see who comes in to help the man after they’ve finished counting the money. A small thing in favour is the opponents in the next 3 games, that said Derby were ideal today. 

I would hate to see him sacked and hope he would walk instead with head held high if it comes to that. 
 

 

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Pld 18

W1

D1

L16

 

Not sure there's an alternative or an argument about parting ways unfortunately, not just for our sake but for Daniels too. It's simply all too clear now this isn't going to turn back round to two years ago. It's like a slow and lingering death, time to pull the plug. 

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3 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Next two seasons. Then once parachute money stops get in mick McCarthy.  Simple. 

You laugh but Hugill is a perfect Mick McCarthy striker and Pukki needs to find his shooting boots before lump it to Hugill becomes a very attractive proposition. 

It feels very much as if we have good attacking players but no creative centre midfielders to feed the ball to them, so unless we sign a quality playmaker (Leitner replacement / Vrancic upgrade), then we might as well go down the primitive Pulis/McCarthy route. 

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Tricky one. With the run we were on last year and the presumably low confidence, mixed with players’ heads being turned, it was always going to be difficult to turn things around quickly. That’s why there was an argument to replace in the summer - fresh manager might be able to improve morale quicker than one who has been in charge through what was a horrible spell.

That said, imagine being a new manager here this summer - not much prep time with the squad, loads of players coming in and no certainty over who is going out. A new manager would have come in, probably struggled straight away and had the fans on his back anyway.

So think it was best for everyone that we kept Farke - and he probably deserved a chance to turn it around.

Regardless of what you think of his ability though, sometimes it’s just too far gone. If we can’t turn it round and build up the morale again, then you have to try something new. So Christmas for me on the poll, but maybe sooner.

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1 minute ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

You laugh but Hugill is a perfect Mick McCarthy striker and Pukki needs to find his shooting boots before lump it to Hugill becomes a very attractive proposition. 

It feels very much as if we have good attacking players but no centre midfielders to feed the ball to them, so unless we sign a quality playmaker (Leitner replacement / Vrancic upgrade), then we might as well go down the primitive Pulis/McCarthy route. 

Who said I was laughing? Well, yes I was jesting, but I'm very much in the    ' we have this season and next to build a squad strong enough to get promoted and survive'  Camp.  

No panicking just yet, if we are still in bottom half at christmas, maybe get rid. Agree that we need a midfielder that can play and defend....Sorensen hopefully.  Thought Pukki was lively at first but was les and less in the game as they had him sussed and outnumbered. 

Disappointed  but not forlorn. 

Farke can stay for a bit yet. 

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It'll be fine, by the end of the season we'll be the only solvent team in the championship. We'll be champions by default.

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5 minutes ago, Highland Canary said:

As a self-funding club I assume we have no cash available to effect change.

You made about 500 consecutive posts mentioning our 'cash pile' though. What happened to the cash pile?

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If we sack Farke then the "plan" is not working. Change the owners. What was it Farke said " the club was in financial ruin when we got here"...

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That feedthewolf is the question. Presumably, the cash will defray player wages for a couple of years so we can proclaim how well the business is run.

At the same time, once again, from a footballing perspective we move backwards. It is certainly not obvious how the sale of our best players helps us ‘come back stronger’ (which has been widely debated on another thread). Then the cash runs low again and we revisit financial crisis.

Of course, there are alternatives to continually revisiting our cycle of fire sale/mediocrity/financial crisis. Perhaps, we might have had a go at staying up in the PL - look how Sheffield Utd and Villa have kicked on? Perhaps, we could have sought external investment to boost the club’s financial muscle? 

But, ultimately, the board’s ambition seems perfectly aligned with the predominant view of our supporters. So, the strategy is an entirely valid one to keep the customer base content. From a business perspective I guess that’s all that matters.

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29 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

If we sack Farke then the "plan" is not working. Change the owners. What was it Farke said " the club was in financial ruin when we got here"...

As much as I hate the plan we can still stick to it even if Farke is binned. Get shot of Webber or he jumps ship then that's a different matter.

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33 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

If we sack Farke then the "plan" is not working. Change the owners. What was it Farke said " the club was in financial ruin when we got here"...

Part of the plan was to make it easier to get rid of the coach without having to get rid of the backroom staff, like a conventional managerial system.

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Pukki needs to find his shooting boots before lump it to Hugill becomes a very attractive proposition.

Nothing wrong with his shooting boots, but if we don't give him anything decent to work with then WTF do we expect?

We need Vrancic back in the starting XI alongside Skipp, we need our wide players to play quick balls across rather than high hanging crosses and we need the likes of Buendia, Argos and Stiepermann to give Pukki the support (along with Vrancic) so that he can score freely again.

Whatever this approach we're doing at the minute is, just simply doesn't work, it didn't work in the PL, and the answer is not to drop our best striker to facilitate this faulty style of play, and instead get back to doing what we did last time at this level, if other teams think they've sussed it out and can just park the bus, we can easily play balls through them and laugh.

Going Pulis/McCarthy ball is not, and never will be the answer, or style of play we should ever be looking for.

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10 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said:

6 more games. Waiting until the 84” minute to bring Hugill on was a huge tactical mistake, the game was crying out for him much earlier.

It was pretty evident in the first half that we were putting crosses into the box that he would thrive on. He was on the pitch for 5 minutes and nearly scored from such a cross 

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It depends upon results - we can't keep losing games without making a change at some stage. He won't last until Christmas if we keep losing. 

Having said that, disappointing as the last two games have been, I take some optimism from the fact that both losses were against the run of play. However, if we keep finding ways to lose...

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Surely it depends on results? 

If he gets four points from the next six games, then he should go.

If he gets eight or nine points from the next six, it's not a great return but enough to buy him a bit more time.

If we're outside the top eight at Christmas, then he should go. 

If we're on the edge of the Playoffs or better at Christmas, then he probably gets a bit more time.

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30 minutes ago, Highland Canary said:

That feedthewolf is the question. Presumably, the cash will defray player wages for a couple of years so we can proclaim how well the business is run.

At the same time, once again, from a footballing perspective we move backwards. It is certainly not obvious how the sale of our best players helps us ‘come back stronger’ (which has been widely debated on another thread). Then the cash runs low again and we revisit financial crisis.

Of course, there are alternatives to continually revisiting our cycle of fire sale/mediocrity/financial crisis. Perhaps, we might have had a go at staying up in the PL - look how Sheffield Utd and Villa have kicked on? Perhaps, we could have sought external investment to boost the club’s financial muscle? 

But, ultimately, the board’s ambition seems perfectly aligned with the predominant view of our supporters. So, the strategy is an entirely valid one to keep the customer base content. From a business perspective I guess that’s all that matters.

There is no fire sale.

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