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1 minute ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

But it isn't simply a case of not selling because we are financially stable. These players know that there are big clubs out there who are prepared to spend big to sign them and then treble their wages. The reason they're being sold is because they want to go, not because we need the money. 

Said money will be, or has been, reinvested in the squad. If Godfrey, Aarons, Buendia and Cantwell are sold and no new centre back, right back and attacking midfielder are subsequently brought in then I will be very irritated, because those four will bring in at least £80m between them. Even if we only spend £10m on three replacements, we need to replace them.

Which merely confirms that the model is no different to spending big because you cannot go back stronger.

We were sold this self funding model to obtain Premier status but are now seeing its intrinsic limitations.

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42 minutes ago, ricardo said:

My understanding was that we would go back stronger. No way that is going to happen now. I think we've just thrown in the towel.

 

Would a new city stand placate you? 

It would me.

If we made enough out of all this to finally knock down that embarrassing tinpot monstrosity, and Delia handed over the reigns with a 35000 seater stadium as a legacy (I'm including a double tiered Snakepit and Wensum corner in that). 

Then I'd see that as real progress as a club, and it gives us a platform longer term to compete and attract better players.

As for selling all 5 of the attractive assets, well the tool downers have to go. There is no point in keeping a player who lacks motivation and doesn't want to be here.

I just hope that Webber makes it clear and is open and honest about which players were thoroughly decent and which want were throwing toys out of their pram.

I'm personally looking forward to seeing Cantwell leave, the embarrassing petulant little narcissistic. The game didn't need a new Robbie Savage, but that's where he's heading with all his stupid attention seeking. 

Leeds fans don't want him, they've all been sharing his cringey Instagram videos.

Let them go, anybody who doesn't want to be here can do one. After that last 10 games last season when half of them didn't look like they didn't give a f*ck? I'd rather watch 11 carthorses giving their all than have to suffer that again.

Lewis wanted out for ages, Cantwell and his little stay on the pitch tantrum was acting up for the media, Buendia laughing after his red card on a day when fans could really have done with us regaining at least a little bit of pride. 

I'll really miss Aarons and to an extent Godfrey, but perhaps some of them don't deserve to wear the shirt? 

Following Norwich is more about playing in the Premier League, we shouldn't want that at all costs. I would really like to have an affinity and attachment to the players again, and after us rolling over and surrendering at the end of last season we have to see change if I'm to get that again. 

Perhaps Webber and Farke realise that the dressing room dynamic is all wrong, perhaps we need to take a step back to take two steps forward. 

And, frankly, a couple of those kids are over rated. I can't see Lewis using Newcastle as a springboard to greatness. 

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Nothing will be spent. It wasn't in the prem so why would it be now? Just a couple of mediocre loans to keep folks happy. The club has no intention of wanting a return to the Premier league in any case - very content with mid table championship. 

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2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Which merely confirms that the model is no different to spending big because you cannot go back stronger.

We were sold this self funding model to obtain Premier status but are now seeing its intrinsic limitations.

Ultimately, it depends who you buy and how you reinvest. If we're bold with their replacements then we could go back up, either this year or next, with a stronger squad than we had last time and everything is right on track.

Very big 'if', though...

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5 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

When did Ben or Jamal express a desire to leave ?

Seeing as Farke has praised their professionalism rather than publicly dressing them down as with Todd and Emi, one presumes that they made their desire to leave apparent without going public, which would be the respectful thing to do for the club.

We were never going to have any difficulty making sales, so we knew we'd be able to fill the coronavirus hole by selling players who wanted to leave rather than forcing them out.

Are you implying that you don't believe either of those players wanted to leave the club and were forced out to balance the books?

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Like Lewis, Godfrey appears to have conducted himself well.  Everton appear to have played fair and they are a perfect club to go to.  In a febrile climate of no crowd football this secures the future of Norwich City.  I don't want a return to mediocre football but personally enjoy the Championship and tolerate the EPL for the money.

Personally,  apart from being athletes I never regarded either as being top specialist defenders but will be happy to see them go on to do well.

The best of the bunch, Max Aarons, is surprisingly still here but surely he will be sold too.  He has also shown good attitude, unlike Cantwell and Buendia and what can you do with players who don't want to be here?

Give me a 'team' of committed players any day, people who are motivated.  It happens all the time that players who play in the EPL don't want to go back to the Championship and as a result the team fails, this is one reason why relegated sides seldom bounce back.

I expect to lose all five.  I'd like another CB in and perhaps a creative midfielder but it is likely we'll change method and use wingers instead of overlapping full backs.

Finally, if you want to attract top young talent you have to show you won't stand in their way, they get a chance to shine here and that is why they come.

 

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30 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

If we do sell all five of them and not bring in replacements, I'll still be here, I'll admit I was wrong, and I'll be bloody furious.

What if it paid for a huge city stand, double tier snakepit and wensum corner though? 

If we want progress longer term, then you don't get much longer term thinking than that. 

Everton and their 39000 seater stadium poaching our talent, Newcastle and their 52305 seater stadium pinching our talent.

If we want to genuinely grow our status or stature, then I'd love to see ground redevelopment.

Want to attract more Emi's? That would help.

Remember that the little tinpot City Stand is what kids see when they watch our games on TV, its a large part of the reason why fans of other clubs call us tinpot.

Flog a few players and get a new City Stand in return? I'd be all for that.

Of course, I'm not saying it will happen, but what if it did? What if that was Delia's final legacy? 

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2 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Would a new city stand placate you? 

 

No thank you, I have no use for one and neither have the club the way things are going. Expecting Farke to knock together promotion winning teams every other year is not a realistic proposition. Id better happy selling one or two every year but half the first team is asking for trouble.

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2 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Do you really think they wanted to stay and were sold against their will? 

Just because they didn't make their desire public doesn't mean they weren't interested in leaving. 

Wacky you said that the reason they are being sold is because they want to leave so that is an assumption without anything to back it up which why i said what i did.

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6 minutes ago, ricardo said:


We were sold this self funding model to obtain Premier status but are now seeing its intrinsic limitations.

Wasn’t the plan to be a “top 25” club?

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41 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

It doesn't matter if Todd and Emi aren't sold - they don't want to be here! They've made that clear! Whatever sort of commitment will we get from them ?

I knew this would happen the project is just a money grabbing exercise dressed up as some long term plan.

It's typical Norwich, always has been, always will be.

Mahrez spent 2 seasons "not wanting to be there" at Leicester and still did the business before he got his big move and Leicester got their money. Hopefully the same happens with Emi until decent enough money comes in.

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1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

Seeing as Farke has praised their professionalism rather than publicly dressing them down as with Todd and Emi, one presumes that they made their desire to leave apparent without going public, which would be the respectful thing to do for the club.

We were never going to have any difficulty making sales, so we knew we'd be able to fill the coronavirus hole by selling players who wanted to leave rather than forcing them out.

Are you implying that you don't believe either of those players wanted to leave the club and were forced out to balance the books?

Not at all but now both you and wacky are slanting it that they wanted to leave and we know of no such thing. That is an assumption that is now being portrayed as fact.

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2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

No thank you, I have no use for one and neither have the club the way things are going. Expecting Farke to knock together promotion winning teams every other year is not a realistic proposition. Id better happy selling one or two every year but half the first team is asking for trouble.

we have only sold (or nearly sold) 2 so far... If Emi and Aarons stay, would you be still as negative?

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1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

Seeing as Farke has praised their professionalism rather than publicly dressing them down as with Todd and Emi, one presumes that they made their desire to leave apparent without going public, which would be the respectful thing to do for the club.

We were never going to have any difficulty making sales, so we knew we'd be able to fill the coronavirus hole by selling players who wanted to leave rather than forcing them out.

Are you implying that you don't believe either of those players wanted to leave the club and were forced out to balance the books?

On the flip side, it’s those who are professional in their manner who have gained the moves, those who are bleating on the media though we love them for what they’ve done might just be putting prospective clubs off.

Also it’s beneficial to both club and player, money pocketed while players at the peak of their value.

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2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

No thank you, I have no use for one and neither have the club the way things are going. Expecting Farke to knock together promotion winning teams every other year is not a realistic proposition. Id better happy selling one or two every year but half the first team is asking for trouble.

We don't need a bigger ground. The days of 100% capacity have long gone.

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Just now, TIL 1010 said:

Not at all but now both you and wacky are slanting it that they wanted to leave and we know of no such thing. That is an assumption that is now being portrayed as fact.

I'm not portraying it as fact, I just said that I believe it to be the case and explained my reasons for believing that. I accept that there is no concrete evidence to prove it.

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1 minute ago, Tetteys Jig said:

Mahrez spent 2 seasons "not wanting to be there" at Leicester and still did the business before he got his big move and Leicester got their money. Hopefully the same happens with Emi until decent enough money comes in.

It won't. He will be gone by the end of the window.

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Just now, Tetteys Jig said:

we have only sold (or nearly sold) 2 so far... If Emi and Aarons stay, would you be still as negative?

I think a Godfrey will be our biggest miss, those who question his ability as a defender will now see just how poor we are without him.

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4 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

What if it paid for a huge city stand, double tier snakepit and wensum corner though? 

If we want progress longer term, then you don't get much longer term thinking than that. 

Everton and their 39000 seater stadium poaching our talent, Newcastle and their 52305 seater stadium pinching our talent.

If we want to genuinely grow our status or stature, then I'd love to see ground redevelopment.

Want to attract more Emi's? That would help.

Remember that the little tinpot City Stand is what kids see when they watch our games on TV, its a large part of the reason why fans of other clubs call us tinpot.

Flog a few players and get a new City Stand in return? I'd be all for that.

Of course, I'm not saying it will happen, but what if it did? What if that was Delia's final legacy? 

would love us to be 35k and double tier all around. I reckon that long term we could easily make it work as well. It can be a struggle to get tickets for home games even in the championship so its certainly viable

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1 minute ago, Adelaide Canary said:

It won't. He will be gone by the end of the window.

we'll see i guess... Clubs have seen they had to stump up £30m and sell on for Godfrey so Emi ain't gonna be cheap either

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2 minutes ago, Indy said:

I think a Godfrey will be our biggest miss, those who question his ability as a defender will now see just how poor we are without him

Well he's the only one who can run. Zimmermann and Hanley are like oil tankers.

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2 minutes ago, Indy said:

I think a Godfrey will be our biggest miss, those who question his ability as a defender will now see just how poor we are without him.

its a strange one as i can see what a great player there could be in there but I have faith that Gibson and Zimmermann could be even more stubborn and solid in a more Burnley way. Might not be as exciting but maybe more effective, especially with Skipp proving solid in front of them.

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6 minutes ago, ricardo said:

No thank you, I have no use for one and neither have the club the way things are going. Expecting Farke to knock together promotion winning teams every other year is not a realistic proposition. Id better happy selling one or two every year but half the first team is asking for trouble.

I'm in my thirties so perhaps I think longer term.

If we have aspirations to be an established Premier League side then we need a Premier League standard stadium. It has been 17 years since any serious investment was made into Carrow Road, and we may now find ourselves in the financial position to invest in it for the first time since then.

You may not benefit from that new City Stand, but we have all benefited from the new Barclay in 1992 and the new Jarrold in 2003. 

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I think we were crossing our fingers as the 17th got nearer. But that isn't coming fast enough.

So if its 15+25+22 then that is a lot of money to just sit there. It would be like a game of monopoly without buying any properties.

Trouble is, while I think that bringing in for the future is good, selling isn't. Of course the players wishes have to be considered.

The majority have accepted what the club has been doing but what is happening right now is going to worry so many.

The season hasn't started brightly, we aren't looking like scoring more than a goal a game and we are full of injuries yet again.

To be honest, I am a bit fed up the club bringing in so many "for the future" all at once when we need "for right now".

Maybe its this bad news but I am worried about getting decent replacements.

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4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Wacky you said that the reason they are being sold is because they want to leave so that is an assumption without anything to back it up which why i said what i did.

Without wanting to sound condescending, I think common sense backs it up.

Imagine you're Jamal Lewis or Ben Godfrey. You're a very highly rated young footballer but you've just been relegated to the Championship, suffered a hefty wage cut, have s desire to play at the highest level you can, and in the case of Godfrey you have ambitions to play for England one day, 

A Premier League club makes an approach you, which gives you the opportunity to stay at the top level, probably trebles your wages and will further your career.

Do you really say, 'Nah, I'd rather stay at Norwich'?

As I said before, there's no way Norwich City accepted these bids against the wishes of Lewis and Godfrey.

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8 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

What if it paid for a huge city stand, double tier snakepit and wensum corner though? 

If we want progress longer term, then you don't get much longer term thinking than that. 

Everton and their 39000 seater stadium poaching our talent, Newcastle and their 52305 seater stadium pinching our talent.

If we want to genuinely grow our status or stature, then I'd love to see ground redevelopment.

Want to attract more Emi's? That would help.

Remember that the little tinpot City Stand is what kids see when they watch our games on TV, its a large part of the reason why fans of other clubs call us tinpot.

Flog a few players and get a new City Stand in return? I'd be all for that.

Of course, I'm not saying it will happen, but what if it did? What if that was Delia's final legacy? 

As others have said, given the current situation in society I think that would be unwise in the extreme. Football's financial bubble is bursting, our social patterns are changing, and we're plummeting into mass unemployment and a massive recession. 

Considering the number of clubs whose very existence will be under serious threat in the next couple of years, I think we're in an excellent position to line our nest in the long term and could actually come out of the next few seasons looking relatively healthy.

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6 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

we have only sold (or nearly sold) 2 so far... If Emi and Aarons stay, would you be still as negative?

Id be happy if it stopped at two but I think we all know that its wishful thinking.

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19 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Not at all but now both you and wacky are slanting it that they wanted to leave and we know of no such thing. That is an assumption that is now being portrayed as fact.

If what Farke said is true, and I believe him, then you would have to be very naive not to decide  that Cantwell and Buendia were indeed trying to force the club to let them leave. As said before, this attempt by them to engineer a move has almost certainly upset the plans Webber and Farke had for this transfer window.

More generally it is probably best to see what the position is at the end of the window rather than doing the whole woe is us sackcloth and ashes thing now.

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