Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Tetteys Jig said: sounds like we've had our pants pulled down compared to the £50m we wanted initially... yet again the self funding thing comes back to bite us. Just what the plan is long term I don't even know anymore... at least we will have a club to support though, until we have a backer though, we are going to be ultimately short of achieving anything significant. If we were wanting £25mil for him, which is what the majority of sources are quoting we got plus add ons (not to mention the one that matters - NCFC ‘club RECORD fee’), then in order to get that figure you obviously name a super high price from the off. Let’s be real, it’s not really going to work if Stuart Webber, wanting £25mil, quotes we’re hoping for £10mil! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,221 Posted October 5, 2020 It's a marvellous deal for NCFC. Godfrey had progressed as far as he was going to with us - I hope he moves his game on now, but getting up to £30m for a player with quite a few flaws left to iron out is astonishing. I hope we also got a sell on in case he becomes the next Van Dijk. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted October 5, 2020 Hope he does well and I’ll be cheering him on at the euros in his inevitable England shirt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 5, 2020 I’ve noticed Sky Sports are quoting £20mill plus add ons...other sources (eg BBC) saying £25Mill plus add ons... £25 mill + add ons would be deemed ‘acceptable’ IMO...hope that SSN are wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, zema abbey football genius said: I’ve noticed Sky Sports are quoting £20mill plus add ons...other sources (eg BBC) saying £25Mill plus add ons... £25 mill + add ons would be deemed ‘acceptable’ IMO...hope that SSN are wrong From the horses mouth, NCFC have said club record so that beats the Maddison fee - Sky are the only outlet peddling £20mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELYOUKAYEE 37 Posted October 5, 2020 At least we don't have to put up with all the "WhY DuNt BaRKeR PlAY GodFree aS A DefeNSiVe MidFieLDer" now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alex Moss said: From the horses mouth, NCFC have said club record so that beats the Maddison fee - Sky are the only outlet peddling £20mil. Liverpool Echo also reporting £20mill + EFC site state ‘undisclosed’ ... 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, zema abbey football genius said: Liverpool Echo also reporting £20mill + EFC site state ‘undisclosed’ ... 🤔 A newspaper called Liverpool Echo or from the actual club that sold him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Alex Moss said: A newspaper called Liverpool Echo or from the actual club that sold him? https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1856420/everton-seal-godfrey-signing ‘undisclosed fee’ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, zema abbey football genius said: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1856420/everton-seal-godfrey-signing ‘undisclosed fee’ I don’t understand your point? How does ‘undisclosed fee’ equate to £20mil rather than £25mil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alex Moss said: I don’t understand your point? How does ‘undisclosed fee’ equate to £20mil rather than £25mil? It just seems strange to me... Obviously NCFC will want to project a ‘offer they couldn’t turn down’ ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, zema abbey football genius said: It just seems strange to me... Obviously NCFC will want to project a ‘offer they couldn’t turn down’ ... So you trust a newspaper over your club? Norwich confirm club record fee, Everton just say ‘undisclosed fee’, which does nothing whatsoever to contradict that. Most outlets saying £25mil plus add ons. I don’t see what’s strange to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted October 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Alex Moss said: So you trust a newspaper over your club? Norwich confirm club record fee, Everton just say ‘undisclosed fee’, which does nothing whatsoever to contradict that. Most outlets saying £25mil plus add ons. I don’t see what’s strange to be honest. Yep, and if the club says it was a bigger fee than Madison , then its decent chunk. What many forget is that all estimated player values are exactly that....estimated. Their true value in hard cash is what another Cliub is prepared to pay, it's not nice, but it's a fact. Best wishes to Ben, gave us a couple of years of good hard work, no trouble as far as I am aware, has left for a bigger club than us that look like they're on the way up, and we've made a tidy profit. Personally I'm not convinced hes the next Rio/ Terry/ Van D👁ke, but would of course be delighted if it happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 6, 2020 13 hours ago, Alex Moss said: So you trust a newspaper over your club? Norwich confirm club record fee, Everton just say ‘undisclosed fee’, which does nothing whatsoever to contradict that. Most outlets saying £25mil plus add ons. I don’t see what’s strange to be honest. I wouldn’t trust anyone in football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,155 Posted October 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, zema abbey football genius said: I wouldn’t trust anyone in football Do you trust anyone in the media? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Do you trust anyone in the media? Touché Tbh I don’t really trust anyone in life...apart from my 4 yo son 😂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted October 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said: sounds like we've had our pants pulled down compared to the £50m we wanted initially... yet again the self funding thing comes back to bite us. Just what the plan is long term I don't even know anymore... at least we will have a club to support though, until we have a backer though, we are going to be ultimately short of achieving anything significant. We pay less than 1m for a CB We get £25 - £30m for the same CB Not quite sure how 'self funding' has 'come back to bite us' 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted October 6, 2020 I'm amazed people still don't get how negotiations work. Anyone who thought an anonymous press briefing about wanting £50m for Godfrey meant we'd actually hold out for £50m is just being willfully dumb. The whole point of that was to make it clear he was going to cost a very decent sum, especially if we were going to sell in January, when this briefing was made. We got a club record fee for him in a summer where spending is down due to factors well beyond our control. I really don't see how people can think our pants have been pulled down. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) On 05/10/2020 at 14:26, Tetteys Jig said: sounds like we've had our pants pulled down compared to the £50m we wanted initially... yet again the self funding thing comes back to bite us. Just what the plan is long term I don't even know anymore... at least we will have a club to support though, until we have a backer though, we are going to be ultimately short of achieving anything significant. I find this somewhat perplexing. First, we have just made a truly massive profit on selling two players that cost us a pittance (something like £40 million plus, and let's not forget the £20m for Maddison). Surely that is exactly what is central to the self-funding model. Indeed it indicates the overwhelming success of the self-funding model. So how this represents something that has "come back to bite us" I find hard to fathom. Second, you say, "...until we have a backer though, we are going to be ultimately short of achieving anything significant.". To make the sort of money we have made from the sales of Maddison, Lewis, Godfrey (and potentially from Aarons, Buendia, Cantwell), you are going to have to find us a very wealthy backer indeed. But just who might this backer be? No-one who clamours for such a backer ever seems to be able to even hint at a name. Frankly, I don't think there is the remotest chance that there is a super-rich potential owner out there waiting to pump in the £200-300 million needed to get City competing for "significant" honours (particularly post the economic crisis of Covid-19). Take a snapshot of the Championship right now and find me a wealthy owner who has just ploughed £40 million into their club for the current season. We've been able to do that because of our self-funding model. Edited October 6, 2020 by horsefly the sin of a missing apostrophe 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,221 Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, horsefly said: I find this somewhat perplexing. First, we have just made a truly massive profit on selling two players that cost us a pittance (something like £40 million plus, and lets not forget the £20m for Maddison). Surely that is exactly what is central to the self-funding model. Indeed it indicates the overwhelming success of the self-funding model. So how this represents something that has "come back to bite us" I find hard to fathom. Second, you say, "...until we have a backer though, we are going to be ultimately short of achieving anything significant.". To make the sort of money we have made from the sales of Maddison, Lewis, Godfrey (and potentially from Aarons, Buendia, Cantwell), you are going to have to find us a very wealthy backer indeed. But just who might this backer be? No-one who clamours for such a backer ever seems to be able to even hint at a name. Frankly, I don't think there is the remotest chance that there is a super-rich potential owner out there waiting to pump in the £200-300 million needed to get City competing for "significant" honours (particularly post the economic crisis of Covid-19). Take a snapshot of the Championship right now and find me a wealthy owner who has just ploughed £40 million into their club for the current season. We've been able to do that because of our self-funding model. THIS!!!!! Why don't people understand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, zema abbey football genius said: Touché Tbh I don’t really trust anyone in life...apart from my 4 yo son 😂 Give it 10 years, you won't be trusting him either. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norwichpepper 2 Posted October 6, 2020 I think Everton will be playing for the UCL spots this year, great new players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, king canary said: I'm amazed people still don't get how negotiations work. Anyone who thought an anonymous press briefing about wanting £50m for Godfrey meant we'd actually hold out for £50m is just being willfully dumb. The whole point of that was to make it clear he was going to cost a very decent sum, especially if we were going to sell in January, when this briefing was made. We got a club record fee for him in a summer where spending is down due to factors well beyond our control. I really don't see how people can think our pants have been pulled down. Thank you KC, now that’s actually a real voice of reason 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, king canary said: I'm amazed people still don't get how negotiations work. Anyone who thought an anonymous press briefing about wanting £50m for Godfrey meant we'd actually hold out for £50m is just being willfully dumb. The whole point of that was to make it clear he was going to cost a very decent sum, especially if we were going to sell in January, when this briefing was made. We got a club record fee for him in a summer where spending is down due to factors well beyond our control. I really don't see how people can think our pants have been pulled down. I’d have got more for him.... 😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, zema abbey football genius said: I’d have got more for him.... 😎 Well I sold him to Spurs for £60m on Football Manager 20 in 2025 so I think I would have done the best job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, king canary said: Well I sold him to Spurs for £60m on Football Manager 20 in 2025 so I think I would have done the best job. 🤣 I was actually being serious. When you consider all variables in the negotiation, I don’t think holding out for £30mill was unrealistic. Webber thinks he’s all that and a bag of chips - the reality is, he’s small time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, zema abbey football genius said: 🤣 I was actually being serious. When you consider all variables in the negotiation, I don’t think holding out for £30mill was unrealistic. Webber thinks he’s all that and a bag of chips - the reality is, he’s small time... Do give us an idea of your previous multi million pound negotiations.....we're all ears👂🙉👂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zema abbey football genius 34 Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said: Do give us an idea of your previous multi million pound negotiations.....we're all ears👂🙉👂 I can’t claim to have bought and sold football players in my career...but negotiations are part and parcel of all business. The principles of negotiation are not any different....but I’m not here to talk about work 🥱 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,089 Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, zema abbey football genius said: I can’t claim to have bought and sold football players in my career...but negotiations are part and parcel of all business. The principles of negotiation are not any different....but I’m not here to talk about work 🥱 Let me guess, you work in “the motor industry”? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,939 Posted October 6, 2020 10 hours ago, hogesar said: We pay less than 1m for a CB We get £25 - £30m for the same CB Not quite sure how 'self funding' has 'come back to bite us' It has a little, we’re back in the Championship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites