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So Cummings' WhatsApp messages show that Johnson thought Hancock was "f*cking hopeless" yet still left him in charge of the pandemic response? 

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11 minutes ago, kirku said:

So Cummings' WhatsApp messages show that Johnson thought Hancock was "f*cking hopeless" yet still left him in charge of the pandemic response? 

I think that does actually make sense since Johnson himself is also "f*cking hopeless" and he certainly wouldn't want someone competent in the role of Health Secretary during a pandemic showing him up - far better to stick with someone equally incompetent and who he could dump all the sh*t on while he stepped in to announce the very occasional bits of good (or at least not quite as sh*t) news himself.

Its worked for him so far and if he can delay the Public Enquiry from achieving anything before the next election then its job done, the fact that tens of thousands of UK citizens have suffered preventable deaths is quite irrelevant as long as long as he avoid his own responsibility for the horrendous damage he has inflicted on the UK.

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5 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

I think that does actually make sense since Johnson himself is also "f*cking hopeless" and he certainly wouldn't want someone competent in the role of Health Secretary during a pandemic showing him up - far better to stick with someone equally incompetent and who he could dump all the sh*t on while he stepped in to announce the very occasional bits of good (or at least not quite as sh*t) news himself.

Its worked for him so far and if he can delay the Public Enquiry from achieving anything before the next election then its job done, the fact that tens of thousands of UK citizens have suffered preventable deaths is quite irrelevant as long as long as he avoid his own responsibility for the horrendous damage he has inflicted on the UK.

Completely agree with this. It's absolutely deplorable on every conceivable level. 

"Doing his best"

 

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7 minutes ago, kirku said:

Completely agree with this. It's absolutely deplorable on every conceivable level. 

"Doing his best"

 

Can you think of another job for which the excuse "I was doing my best" would be regarded as an acceptable response to causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths?

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4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Can you think of another job for which the excuse "I was doing my best" would be regarded as an acceptable response to causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths?

Slaughterhouse?

"You were meant to slaughter 100,000 chickens!"

"I was doing my best!"

 

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Just now, kirku said:

Slaughterhouse?

"You were meant to slaughter 100,000 chickens!"

"I was doing my best!"

 

Excellent example! Johnson, Raab, Patel, Gove, and Hancock, the Slaughterhouse Five!

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20 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Excellent example! Johnson, Raab, Patel, Gove, and Hancock, the Slaughterhouse Five!

And their base?

The turkeys who voted for Christmas..

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12 minutes ago, kirku said:

And their base?

The turkeys who voted for Christmas..

yep! They got well and truly stuffed!

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So I reckon what this shows is that Cummings deliberately did not provide the evidence so he could set up Johnson and especially Hancock big time. Johnson and Hancock are so thick they fell for it, but I reckon the revelations to date are the tip of the iceberg and Cummings has saved the real bad stuff until the hole is dug deeper.
So clearly he can prove everything he said is true, quite an achievement to be stupid enough to lie when you must know you are being set up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57498845

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2 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So I reckon what this shows is that Cummings deliberately did not provide the evidence so he could set up Johnson and especially Hancock big time. Johnson and Hancock are so thick they fell for it, but I reckon the revelations to date are the tip of the iceberg and Cummings has saved the real bad stuff until the hole is dug deeper.
So clearly he can prove everything he said is true, quite an achievement to be stupid enough to lie when you must know you are being set up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57498845

I think you're right. Cummings is even more devious than I gave him credit for. It's like a cat playing with a mouse. Just as it thinks its got away - woopsie.

The really sad thing is the obvious gullibility of all those who still 'trust' or 'support' Johnson as his true character is revealed. I guess they've just got too much invested to admit they've been totally had by a fraud.

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It’s all very sad, not only this Covid issue, but the way these clowns have manoeuvred themselves into these positions thanks to brainwashing the gullible over Brexit! 
 

Never mind nothing lasts forever even this lot will soon be gone like Trump!

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Indeed it’s interesting if you read his blog, what he is basically saying is Johnson will delay and delay any enquiries until he is no longer PM. His sole aim is to make himself as much money as possible and is suggesting Johnson doesn’t care about the deaths or the mistakes but will become the highest paid clown in the history of clowns. 
We can only assume he also has WhatsApp messages, texts and emails regards Brexit. I wonder if they show the same that ultimately the reason he supported Brexit was for his own political gain and ultimately his own financial gain at the expense of the British people.

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Our PM, Delta Johnson, who is responsible for the extra time spent in lock down, just as he is responsible for at least 1/10 of all covid death for his mismanagement.

Tories best be aware that cocooning him in cotton wool, still, after all this blundering carnage he presided over, will not help them in any way, the man is burned toast, he and his supporters will be tarred with the same brush.

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In one striking section, he contrasts Mr Johnson's approach with that of Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who stood in for the PM when he was in hospital with coronavirus.

"Under Raab, the meetings were less pleasant for everybody but much more productive because unlike the PM a) Raab can chair meetings properly instead of telling rambling stories and jokes, b) he let good officials actually question people so we started to get to the truth, unlike the PM who as soon as things get 'a bit embarrassing' does the whole 'let's take it offline' shtick before shouting 'forward to victory', doing a thumbs-up and pegging it out of the room before anybody can disagree."

Downing Street said it was "not going to engage" with this claim.

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37 minutes ago, Herman said:

The Daily Star nails it.😂

Daily Star front page

Their best yet!

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These "hopeless" comments had me reflecting a bit more.

One trouble we have is that the UK government is not being led by someone able to be serious about many things. Cummings obviously has an axe to grind, however its telling that his emergency meetings contain Johnson's rambling stories and jokes (see extracted quote from This Week). Compared with Starmer, he is a polar opposite. You could say Starmer is ultra serious and somewhat personality-less. Hence, perhaps he is less popular?But honestly, who would anyone want to lead a country? And in a pandemic.

I would want the more serious 'technocrat' type.  

It seems to me that being the PM fulfils a tick in 'world king' ambition but it isn't about service to the country but service to Boris Johnson. If and when Sunak takes over (in a year perhaps?) we will see a wholly different leadership (and probably make up in quality of cabinet).

 

Dominic Cummings has signalled that he plans to continue his campaign against Boris Johnson’s “chronic dysfunction” after he published texts from the prime minister in which he describes his health minister as “totally f***ing hopeless”. In a 7,000-word essay, **** says Johnson told “rambling stories and jokes” during emergency meetings. 

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Below are published quotes, they are irrefutable. His utter incompetence will affect the lives many thousands, and he simply does not give a flying f***. 

"There will be no border down the Irish Sea - over my dead body."

During a visit to Northern Ireland, the Prime Minister reiterated his promise that businesses in the region would enjoy unfettered access to markets in England, Scotland and Wales.

"We would be damaging the fabric of the union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement.” Boris Johnson speaking at the 2018 DUP conference.

Boris Johnson later told a Democratic Unionist Party conference that "no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement".

And some people still think he can be trusted to lead this Country.

 

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The doughty voters of Chesham and Amersham have clearly seen the light. Considering they have voted in the Tories since 1974, it does rather indicate that the public have begun to see the Emperor is wearing no clothes (I recommend you avoid conjuring up an image in your head unless you are in desperate need of an emetic).

Turns out the Southern Blue Wall is paper thin and it's about to rain very hard.

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21 minutes ago, horsefly said:

The doughty voters of Chesham and Amersham have clearly seen the light. Considering they have voted in the Tories since 1974, it does rather indicate that the public have begun to see the Emperor is wearing no clothes (I recommend you avoid conjuring up an image in your head unless you are in desperate need of an emetic).

Turns out the Southern Blue Wall is paper thin and it's about to rain very hard.

Its a protest vote apparently. Its anti HS2. Its funny that the LibDems backed HS2.

So that is why they are bringing in the anti protest bill then?

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Just now, keelansgrandad said:

Its a protest vote apparently. Its anti HS2. Its funny that the LibDems backed HS2.

So that is why they are bringing in the anti protest bill then?

Yep! It's a protest alright, a protest against a lying, corrupt, incompetent government responsible for the most calamatous period of failure in the UK's recent history. 

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19 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Its a protest vote apparently. Its anti HS2. Its funny that the LibDems backed HS2.

So that is why they are bringing in the anti protest bill then?

 

13 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Yep! It's a protest alright, a protest against a lying, corrupt, incompetent government responsible for the most calamatous period of failure in the UK's recent history. 

Exactly this ^ , of course its a protest vote, that's quite normal in a by-election and HS2 may even have been an issue there though I would have thought it was way down the pecking order.

If anything I would suggest that the Tories plan to rip up the Planning system was more significant but then, as @horsefly says, there is 'a lying, corrupt, incompetent government responsible for the most calamatous period of failure in the UK's recent history' to protest about - I would have thought that was sufficient motivation.

Clearly Labour and the Greens were total bystanders in this election but still worth pointing out that the Greens got more than double the Labour vote - perhaps a few more results like this might finally force Labour to abandon their totally stupid belief that they can defeat the Tories on their own, and actually start to focus on heading up some sort of progressive alliance which definitely could win the next election (could have won the last election but that sadly is water under the bridge now).

Unfortunately SKS is looking less and less likely as the person to achieve this (or anything else for that matter). 🙄

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/former-commons-speaker-john-bercow-defects-to-labour?top

John Bercow, the former Conservative MP who became the scourge of Brexiteers as Commons Speaker, says he has switched allegiances to join the Labour Party.

Bercow said he regards the Tories under Prime Minister Boris Johnson as “reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic”.

Having stepped down as Speaker after 10 years in 2019, he announced on Saturday that he joined Labour in recent weeks.

“I am motivated by support for equality, social justice and internationalism. That is the Labour brand,” he told the Observer.

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John Bercow leaves the Tories with a few comments

Former Speaker of the House of Commons and Tory MP John Bercow says he has changed allegiances to join Labour.

He told the Observer the Conservatives under Boris Johnson were "reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic".

The government "needs to be replaced", he said.

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