New Tory Leader

[Herman 9,713]

Putin seems to be getting blamed for everything the tories have done this morning. I almost feel sorry for him. 

[horsefly 4,287]

1 hour ago, dj11 said:

How can they possibly explain it?

The "party" line is that it was a "distraction" from the rest of their brilliant plan. So, we should be absolutely clear, they are not saying the idea of reducing the top-rate of tax was wrong, but that plebs like us who were appalled by it were causing it to become a distraction. Truss, Kami-Kwasi, and their lackies are still wedded to the idea that it is sane to borrow money for tax-cuts. This bunch of gangsters remain an incompetent, immoral, disingenuous mob of buffoons.

[sonyc 5,491]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Chancellor about to remove his top tax rate reduction.

To late Luv, you’re toast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63114279

Well, I wonder what this chap will say just one day later? Come on Simon. Don't keep us waiting.

And we've all been 'obsessing' over the 'optics' of it 😅😂😂

 

 

[Well b back 3,190]

4 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Well, I wonder what this chap will say just one day later? Come on Simon. Don't keep us waiting.

And we've all been 'obsessing' over the 'optics' of it 😅😂😂

 

 

So I guess based on the comments yesterday the Country is now in a ‘ weaker ‘ position as yesterday the cut put us in a ‘ stronger ‘ position.

[horsefly 4,287]

7 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So I guess based on the comments yesterday the Country is now in a ‘ weaker ‘ position as yesterday the cut put us in a ‘ stronger ‘ position.

That's all your fault Wbb! Instead of recognising it as a fantastic economic masterstroke, you and your ilk (i.e. everyone else) have caused it to become a "distraction", and now the country will have to suffer. 

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

1 hour ago, Van wink said:

She began to dissociated herself from the 45p rate decision yesterday……..not discussed by Cabinet and the Chancellor’s idea. “The Iron Lady” 😂 Hopeless!

More evidence of why we need an election, we need a government whose policies have been voted for by the electorate with a leader and Cabinet who are all moving in the same direction.

I think this is the major point.

She has no mandate from the electorate to pursue her 'Britannia Unhinged' otherwise known as a US economic model policies (low tax, small state, few if any benefits).

Her mandate, such as it is, is inherited from Johnson and can best be summarized as his 'leveling up'  not her survival of the fittest.

If she believes in her polices go to the country forthwith and get a mandate else cease and desist (another American phrase).

[sonyc 5,491]

27 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So I guess based on the comments yesterday the Country is now in a ‘ weaker ‘ position as yesterday the cut put us in a ‘ stronger ‘ position.

Well his hedge fund manager mates are certainly in a stronger position. Millions probably.

[Well b back 3,190]

34 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Well his hedge fund manager mates are certainly in a stronger position. Millions probably.

Uncapped to, good job he announced that first

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Can the Tory press still refer to her as Thatcher like? Her policies are in disarray just like ten pints of Thatchers of course.

How many times will Putin be mentioned during their conference? Obviously Gordon Brown will get some flak and Corbyn and Abbot as well. They can't really have a go at SKS as he is one of their own.

[sonyc 5,491]

29 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Uncapped to, good job he announced that first

Kwarteng has now said that going to that champagne reception "wasn't the best way to go"😯

Even a teenager might have thought it through before going - especially after the announcement he made. Most Pinkun posters know that it might have been ill-advised.

To say this, either he is a complete fool (he isn't is he) or he is wildly out of touch or he is a liar.

 

[Well b back 3,190]

1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Kwarteng has now said that going to that champagne reception "wasn't the best way to go"😯

Even a teenager might have thought it through before going - especially after the announcement he made. Most Pinkun posters know that it might have been ill-advised.

To say this, either he is a complete fool (he isn't is he) or he is wildly out of touch or he is a liar.

 

Who do you think the new Chancellor will be ? could Truss multi task and do both jobs as she doesn’t refer to the cabinet anyway ?

Would Sunak turn it down ? ( joke lol )

How about Mogg ? You do as I say or I will bring you down

Or how about Farke he seems to be a god

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

32 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Kwarteng has now said that going to that champagne reception "wasn't the best way to go"😯

Even a teenager might have thought it through before going - especially after the announcement he made. Most Pinkun posters know that it might have been ill-advised.

To say this, either he is a complete fool (he isn't is he) or he is wildly out of touch or he is a liar.

 

He could be all three

[sonyc 5,491]

The NHS is just not a priority for this lot.

No show from the 5th health minister in 5 years.

Hunt, Hancock, Javid, Barclay, Coffey.

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

2 hours ago, sonyc said:

Well, I wonder what this chap will say just one day later? Come on Simon. Don't keep us waiting.

And we've all been 'obsessing' over the 'optics' of it 😅😂😂

 

 

Yes, optics is what it is. The top rate of tax was 40% all during the Blair years until Brown put it up to 45% in the last month of the Labour government. 

All Tory PMs since were gutless to move it back again until now. And the pile on from the left has been reprehensible since. 

Still, we have had a Conservative government for a week counting from the end of mourning and instead of standing firm as Thatcher would have done, Truss has uturned like Theresa May. 

I did say I would wait and see whether Truss would be a Conservative or whether she would.continue in the same neo-liberal vein as her predecessors, and it seems I got my.answer already. 

The opposition smells blood in the water now so the attacks on government will be relentless fron now until the election and the most egregious will come from the ranks of the party, from self-serving snakes such as Gove. 

Ah well, we deserve the horrors of a socialist government who will impoverish us and deliver us up to the WEF globalists. Me, I'm off to build up food stocks while there is still time. 

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

Me, I'm off to build up food stocks while there is still time. 

Good idea. Maybe a shack in the hills with no internet connection might be needed too?

[horsefly 4,287]

24 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Still, we have had a Conservative government for a week counting from the end of mourning and instead of standing firm as Thatcher would have done, Truss has uturned like Theresa May. 

What utter tripe! Thatcher would NEVER have funded tax-cuts through borrowing to begin with.

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

39 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Good idea. Maybe a shack in the hills with no internet connection might be needed too?

I've watched YouTube videos of how to generate own electricity. I might even be able to sell some back to the grid. 

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

Saw this had had to laugh - I've changed one word......

Liz Truss needs 6-12 months of hard (LABOUR) work 'to persuade public she's competent', says Damian Green

 

Helen Pidd

Damian Green, first secretary of state under Theresa May, says Liz Truss needs six to 12 months of hard work “to persuade the public she is competent”.

[horsefly 4,287]

12 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Saw this had had to laugh - I've changed one word......

Liz Truss needs 6-12 months of hard (LABOUR) work 'to persuade public she's competent', says Damian Green

 

Helen Pidd

Damian Green, first secretary of state under Theresa May, says Liz Truss needs six to 12 months of hard work “to persuade the public she is competent”.

Well, we've had 12-years that have proved the very opposite so good luck with that Damian.

[sonyc 5,491]

View from Wolf in FT:

 

“Mad, bad and dangerous”

 

“The only sort of leader more dangerous than the rogue the UK used to have is the zealot it has now,” says Martin Wolf in the FT. It’s ironic. Die-hard free marketeers like Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng see “the market” as a god – but the actual markets have rebuffed them, with investors fleeing sterling and UK government bonds. Truss’s “growth plan” is like a magical potion – she says “abracadabra” and suddenly we have 2.5% annual growth. “Such dreams might be amusing if they were not so perilous.”  

 

And even if they were successful, what good would they do? Oxford Economics, a consultancy, estimates that Truss’s plan might deliver a meagre 0.4% growth – in five years’ time. “The mountain labours and brings forth a mouse.” In reality, this is not a growth plan but a plan for inequality and insecurity. It will reinforce the government’s desire to cut welfare and public services, which would benefit the rich at the expense of the poor in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis. The Tories, as one commentator puts it, “have become unmoored from the British people”.

 

They have also savaged the credibility of UK institutions – institutions which are the “bulwark” of our civilisation. The Conservative Party used to understand this. No longer. “These people are mad, bad and dangerous. They have to go.”   

[Icecream Snow 761]

Nice reminder of who they work for

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

On 02/10/2022 at 10:45, sonyc said:

 

Oh and btw, really rank journalism by Kuenssberg this morning. Ever quick to really challenge and interrupt Reeves but not Truss. Truss was allowed to answer questions not asked

 

Par for the course IMO - always thought she was very poor as BBC Political Editor.

[Well b back 3,190]

Dorries calls for an election, Mogg doesn’t.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63110543

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

A governemt of all the talent-less.

[KiwiScot 1,436]

Seems the Tories are determined to keep beating each other up and making it look worse for them. I've never been a fan of people calling for an election after a change of PM, but should it happen twice(outside of illness or death) maybe that's another thing. Also feel party members should not be involved in choosing leaders especially while the party is in goverment or at the very least not so definitive an involvement.

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

Given the polls for Truss the question keep being asked as to is there any way back?

No. Cant see it. Even before Truss was 'elected' by the other worldly Tory membership dopes it was clear the public at large preferred Sunak and had no affinity for Truss. Simply as far as the general public are concerned she has no redeeming features - no charisma like Johnson and no competence like Sunak. A total net zero.

Perhaps the better longer term question should be is there now any way back for the current Tory party membership?

Edited October 4, 2022 by Yellow Fever

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

10 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

A governemt of all the talent-less.

Exactly so, and whilst it is often commented on that since 2010 the Tories have produced the 4 worst PMs in our history with each one being even worse than their predecessor, perhaps we haven't focussed sufficiently on their cabinets/governments.

Of course it is natural that much of the focus is on the PM but it is also true that the quality/ability of the Cabinets has also got worse with each change of PM - simply a by-product the Tories electing ever less competent PMs who select less competent ministers or the insecurity of being a Tory PM nowadays meaning that they simply give the ministerial posts to their mates to buy their loyalty and quite irrespective of their suitability.

Or some bizarre equal opportunities scheme whereby every Tory MP is guaranteed at least one go at being a minister as long as they manage to avoid an early GE.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

4 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Given the polls for Truss the question keep being asked as to is there any way back?

No. Cant see it. Even before Truss was 'elected' by the other worldly Tory membership dopes it was clear the public at large preferred Sunak and had no affinity for Truss. Simply as far as the general public are concerned she has no redeeming features - no charisma like Johnson and no competence like Sunak. A total net zero.

Perhaps the better longer term question should be is there now any way back for the current Tory party membership?

And not just the public, let's not forget that Truss was first choice for only a tiny group of her own MPs.

Think it was just 50 in the first round of voting - not much of a base to rely on, especially when you spectacularly scr@w things up without even consulting your cabinet beforehand.  😂😂

[TheGunnShow 5,932]

Well, on my last three extended weekend breaks abroad, something big happened. Went to Finland, Johnson resigned. Next trip to Warsaw, Truss got in. Just before I flew to Vilnius, the Queen died. 

I'm off to Dresden to do the half-marathon at the end of October. Wonder if Truss goes then? 

(Joke, folks!)

[littleyellowbirdie 2,510]

After so much effort was put in by a large section of Conservative backbenchers to pressure Johnson to 'be more Conservative', it seems a large section of Conservative backbenchers are trying to undermine and pressure Truss to 'be less Conservative'. 

While Truss is clearly weak and has poor judgement, I think the Conservatives are unleadable at this stage; they've had a total breakdown in discipline.