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[Bill 1,788]

One of the complaints often put up is the FPTP system,

I have maintained however the real problem is the lack of engagement by th-e public - so what is cause and what is effect here -

Labour says Johnson misled MPs when he claimed it voted against pay rise for nurses

PMQs is over, but Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, asks a point of order. He says Boris Johnson twice at PMQs claimed that Labour voted against the NHS funding bill, and opposed the 2.1% increase in nurses’ pay it proposed. That is not true, Ashworth says. He says in the debate on the bill he made it clear that Labour was not voting against.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, says Ashworth has made his point.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

4 hours ago, Bill said:

One of the complaints often put up is the FPTP system,

I have maintained however the real problem is the lack of engagement by th-e public - so what is cause and what is effect here -

Labour says Johnson misled MPs when he claimed it voted against pay rise for nurses

PMQs is over, but Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, asks a point of order. He says Boris Johnson twice at PMQs claimed that Labour voted against the NHS funding bill, and opposed the 2.1% increase in nurses’ pay it proposed. That is not true, Ashworth says. He says in the debate on the bill he made it clear that Labour was not voting against.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, says Ashworth has made his point.

IMO the FPTP system is one of the major issues, as is the fact that we don't have a written constitution or indeed any constitution at all worthy of the name. The notion of us having an unwritten constitution is fanciful - it isn't worth the paper it isn't writtien on. It is unenforceable and consequentially isn't enforced as Johnson's latest case of blatent lying (or misleading the House as they like to call it).

The Ministerial is crystal clear that the responsibility is Johnson's; to either correct what he said if he lied 'inadvertently' or resign if it was deliberate (which in this case it clearly was).

Hoyle is useless, so for the umpteenth time this Parliament the Tories break the rules and get away with it, and much as I despise them you'd have to wonder why on earth they wouldn't keep ignoring the rules whenever it suits them because it is absolutely clear there is no one and nothing that is going to stop them, never mind penalise them  - no constitution, no rule of law, dysfunctional system being successfully exploited by a bunch of chancers and liars.

[Bill 1,788]

No amount of PR (voting) would make a scrap of difference to Johnson lying to Parliament today, or at any other time. And the majority of the media will not cover it as they know voters are not interested - therein lies the problem.

Hoyle is not up to the job either. It's bad enough his speech impediment, but he is extremely weak and almost cowed.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

No amount of PR (voting) would make a scrap of difference to Johnson lying to Parliament today, or at any other time. And the majority of the media will not cover it as they know voters are not interested - therein lies the problem.

Hoyle is not up to the job either. It's bad enough his speech impediment, but he is extremely weak and almost cowed.

Except that he wouldn't get the opportunity to do it as a Prime Minister with a majority of 80 - all based on 42.6% of votes!!!!

[Bill 1,788]

it matters little the size of the majority, it is the indifference of voters that allows him to get away with it

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Johnson says the matter has been corrected and there is no need for an apology.

Isn't it just good manners to apologise. He lied, denies misleading and now sits back knowing that he has already said it publicly.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

54 minutes ago, Bill said:

it matters little the size of the majority, it is the indifference of voters that allows him to get away with it

I really don't know how you reach that conclusion - 58% of the voters voted against him yet the FPTP post system installed him as PM with a thumping majority - that isn't voter indifference, its a rigged electoral system although it is certainly possible to argue that the system itself does lead to voter indifference as the vast majority of people in this country know that their vote is entirely meaningless.

Every General Election in the UK is decided by a few tens of thousands of voters who happen to live in marginal constituencies, the rest of us neednt bother because other than getting a very brief bit of exercise our votes are a complete waste of time. Arguably that is true for everyone since even those in marginal constituencies are only making the decision between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum so not really any surprise that we are failing so badly as a country.

[TheGunnShow 5,937]

2 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

I really don't know how you reach that conclusion - 58% of the voters voted against him yet the FPTP post system installed him as PM with a thumping majority - that isn't voter indifference, its a rigged electoral system although it is certainly possible to argue that the system itself does lead to voter indifference as the vast majority of people in this country know that their vote is entirely meaningless.

Every General Election in the UK is decided by a few tens of thousands of voters who happen to live in marginal constituencies, the rest of us neednt bother because other than getting a very brief bit of exercise our votes are a complete waste of time. Arguably that is true for everyone since even those in marginal constituencies are only making the decision between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum so not really any surprise that we are failing so badly as a country.

The bit in bold is exactly my point. This is a major reason why people are apathetic regarding politics here. In contrast, note the enthusiasm going around when we had the Scottish independence and Brexit referenda.

Indifference is a problem, but it's a chicken and egg scenario here.

[Herman 9,754]

 

[Van wink 2,994]

36 minutes ago, Herman said:

 

He seems to continue to get away with this behaviour, KS was very quick to publicly correct the record when he said something which was incorrect in the House. Where is the accountability!!

[Herman 9,754]

Get Bercow back in the hot seat. 😀

[horsefly 4,297]

Johnson has demonstrated his contempt for parliament on so many occasions. His arrogance and sense of privilege way exceed that of any of his modern predecessors. FFS we even required the Supreme Court to intervene to stop him proroguing parliament simply to serve his own self-interest. The speaker regularly admonishes him for breaching the protocol of PMQs, and we see him simply ignoring breaches of the ministerial code. He is everything that the right-wing thinkers Max Hastings and Peter Oborne warned us he would be; a reckless, self-serving liar.

[horsefly 4,297]

Who would have thought it. 8 hours after my previous post about Johnson's serial contempt for parliament we get this statement from the Speaker of the Commons:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/speaker-s-slapdown-for-boris-johnson-over-lying-in-parliament-that-labour-voted-against-nhs-pay-rise/ar-BB1etRcm?ocid=msedgntp

The Speaker of the House of Commons has issued a stinging slapdown to Boris Johnson, after Downing Street indicated that the prime minster would not correct a misleading statement to MPs.

Mr Johnson was accused of lying to MPs during the weekly session of prime minister’s questions when he twice wrongly stated that Labour had voted against a document proposing an above-inflation pay rise for nurses.

But his press secretary Allegra Stratton indicated that he would not apologise or correct his statement, saying that the matter was closed after the Speaker accepted a “point of clarification” from Labour pointing out the PM’s falsehood.

In a stern rebuke, Hoyle today made a statement to the Commons, in which he said he should not be dragged into political rows over the accuracy of statements made by MPs.

The Speaker said MPs “must take responsibility” for correcting the record if they make a mistake in the chamber, adding: “It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.”

[Bill 1,788]

More weasel words from Hoyle

Johnston did not 'make a mistake '

he lied, as he has done on a regular basis

[Van wink 2,994]

24 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Who would have thought it. 8 hours after my previous post about Johnson's serial contempt for parliament we get this statement from the Speaker of the Commons:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/speaker-s-slapdown-for-boris-johnson-over-lying-in-parliament-that-labour-voted-against-nhs-pay-rise/ar-BB1etRcm?ocid=msedgntp

The Speaker of the House of Commons has issued a stinging slapdown to Boris Johnson, after Downing Street indicated that the prime minster would not correct a misleading statement to MPs.

Mr Johnson was accused of lying to MPs during the weekly session of prime minister’s questions when he twice wrongly stated that Labour had voted against a document proposing an above-inflation pay rise for nurses.

But his press secretary Allegra Stratton indicated that he would not apologise or correct his statement, saying that the matter was closed after the Speaker accepted a “point of clarification” from Labour pointing out the PM’s falsehood.

In a stern rebuke, Hoyle today made a statement to the Commons, in which he said he should not be dragged into political rows over the accuracy of statements made by MPs.

The Speaker said MPs “must take responsibility” for correcting the record if they make a mistake in the chamber, adding: “It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.”

Looks like you called that one Horsey👍

[horsefly 4,297]

This sums up the modern Tory party perfectly:

 

Tory MP branded 'callous' after claiming £1 expenses for parking to visit food bank

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-branded-callous-after-claiming-1-expenses-for-parking-to-visit-food-bank/ar-BB1ewkUz?ocid=msedgntp

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

5 hours ago, horsefly said:

This sums up the modern Tory party perfectly:

 

Tory MP branded 'callous' after claiming £1 expenses for parking to visit food bank

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-branded-callous-after-claiming-1-expenses-for-parking-to-visit-food-bank/ar-BB1ewkUz?ocid=msedgntp

It probably cost £1.10 to get the claim processed.

[horsefly 4,297]

5 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

It probably cost £1.10 to get the claim processed.

I wonder how many cans of soup he stole from the foodbank?

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

On 10/03/2021 at 13:47, Bill said:

One of the complaints often put up is the FPTP system,

I have maintained however the real problem is the lack of engagement by th-e public - so what is cause and what is effect here -

Labour says Johnson misled MPs when he claimed it voted against pay rise for nurses

PMQs is over, but Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, asks a point of order. He says Boris Johnson twice at PMQs claimed that Labour voted against the NHS funding bill, and opposed the 2.1% increase in nurses’ pay it proposed. That is not true, Ashworth says. He says in the debate on the bill he made it clear that Labour was not voting against.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, says Ashworth has made his point.

It is more than misleading, he blatantly broke the ministerial code which demands that those who lie and or misrepresent, or, as in his case, bot lie and misrepresent, have to adjust and grovel as soon as they are able to. Johnson woopsie has done this now three times. Is he trying to compete with Sturgeon I wonder?

Thing is, he is also the only arbiter, i.e. the buck stops with him and he can just wave it off.

[Herman 9,754]

They are quite literally thieving off us and laughing at us as they do it.

 

[Well b back 3,200]

As we come out of the pandemic has Boris done his job, will he now be the fall guy ? it looks like the feelers are being put out as is the way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56406393

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

21 minutes ago, Herman said:

They are quite literally thieving off us and laughing at us as they do it.

 

Swap the flags and what do you have. Make Great Britain Great Britain Again.

[Herman 9,754]

My apologies. The figure quoted is wrong. It was only £2.6million. Installed by Russians??

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-15/exclusive-first-pictures-of-downing-street-white-house-style-media-briefing-room

[horsefly 4,297]

4 minutes ago, Herman said:

My apologies. The figure quoted is wrong. It was only £2.6million. Installed by Russians??

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-15/exclusive-first-pictures-of-downing-street-white-house-style-media-briefing-room

And there was me thinking that was expensive. Bloody Farrow and Ball!

[Mr Apples 1,320]

15 hours ago, Herman said:

Installed by Russians??

I hope someone has thoroughly wiped all the surfaces clean. 🤔🤣

Apples

[horsefly 4,297]

As I thought, it's Farrow and Ball "Novichok Blue"

[ron obvious 1,502]

[horsefly 4,297]

6 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

I think I can guess where he's hiding one of those new nuclear war heads

[Herman 9,754]

Rees Mogg now using his parliamentary privilege to defame a journalist. Utter cowardly scum. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

Rees Mogg now using his parliamentary privilege to defame a journalist. Utter cowardly scum. 

The fool.really does need a carer