New Tory Leader

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Rah Rah Rah we're going to smash the Oiks.

We have the feckin Government we deserve.

Meaning all the people who said Corbyn couldn't organise a pish up, was a Marxist and a friend of terrorists are now the laughing stock.

Someone please explain how anyone thinks this cnut and his mate Raab are anything other than lying, murdering feckups.

[Herman 9,717]

Only the Star, S*n and the Borisgraph not mentioning this story on their front pages. Although the Star is still looking for Raab's brain.

[Van wink 2,994]

8 hours ago, Well b back said:

Here is the video and report, what a complete and utter disgrace 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59572149

Absolutely appalling but not surprising.

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

What a pity that our oh-so-great PM wasn't a Covid statistic, right?

[horsefly 4,288]

Campbell absolutely nails it:

 

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

I can only conclude that anybody who continues to support Johnson and his government have no morals or standards either in public or private life.

All rotten to the core as per Campbell states else they should stand up and be counted. I hope Starmer gives them the opportunity.

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Yellow Fever

[RobJames 880]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Campbell absolutely nails it:

 

He pretty much nails it in the final few sentences.

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,410]

PMQs should be interesting. If now isn't the time to nail him then I don't know when is.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

14 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

That is so obviously a lie. Since when would the Foreign Office, the Home Office and the MoD pass on all that information to a mere constituency MP and delegate to her the serious job of telling Farthing he had permission to fly out. "You are therefore authorised to proceed." That is an official permission from the government.

There are two truths about Johnson. One is, as a former mistress said, that he lies whenever he feels it necessary in that moment, as a quick fix to get out of a jam, and that he does so without thinking through the inevitable negative consequences, so making it all worse. The result is that those who work for him have to lie on his behalf or get caught up in his deceits and rule-breaking.

So they end up getting besmirched, as Allegra Stratton has found out. She probably had a decent reputation as a journalist but forever now will be known as the woman who joked about an illegal party while ordinary people were dying alone. The other truth is that Johnson ends up betraying pretty everybody who works for him or is close to him. No matter how loyal or how close.

[RobJames 880]

Take a look at the Daily Mail. The worm has turned. As if this party and evacuating dogs were the cause. They are not. They are merely symptoms of a far greater malaise. One that has the country's PM as an habitual liar. It is from his moral bankruptcy that the rest follows. There was no 'oven ready deal'. Track and trace was a huge failure. Just as was his incompetence at dealing with the pandemic. And I can be sure that he will lie his way through PMQs.

[Well b back 3,190]

Is it time for Dominic Cummings to release big news yet, or will he wait to ensure he has the final nail

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

1 minute ago, Well b back said:

Is it time for Dominic Cummings to release big news yet, or will he wait to ensure he has the final nail

Possibly, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he comes in as an "anti-sleaze" type, or at least a PM in waiting.

[RobJames 880]

2 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Possibly, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he comes in as an "anti-sleaze" type, or at least a PM in waiting.

Cummings has no interest in being a politician. He will know the effect of releasing that clip just before a by election. If it was him.

[Herman 9,717]

PMQs anyone? 

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,131]

I find it funny that people are shocked and surprised. 

Eton educated Tories spitting on common people and thinking the same rules don't apply to them because they believe they are of better class...Well I never! Outrageous. They don't see themselves as public servants or representatives of their constituents, they believe themselves rulers and leaders and as such the same rules don't apply to them. 

They'll still win the next election by a landslide, loads of idiots will still support Johnson because he has stupid blonde hair like Trump and support the Tories because they hate PC culture and foreigners or believe some conspiracy theory that 'commies' are trying to install a new world order or some other crap that only a gullible, small minded moron would believe. Or you'll get people of a certain age who did quite well out of Thatcherism in the 80's, will never change allegiances and would vote a donkey into power if it wore a blue ribbon. Scandals like this won't change a significant portion of minds. People thinking this is going to change anything or be some kind of turning point are going to be disappointed. 

[RobJames 880]

27 minutes ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

I find it funny that people are shocked and surprised. 

Eton educated Tories spitting on common people and thinking the same rules don't apply to them because they believe they are of better class...Well I never! Outrageous. They don't see themselves as public servants or representatives of their constituents, they believe themselves rulers and leaders and as such the same rules don't apply to them. 

They'll still win the next election by a landslide, loads of idiots will still support Johnson because he has stupid blonde hair like Trump and support the Tories because they hate PC culture and foreigners or believe some conspiracy theory that 'commies' are trying to install a new world order or some other crap that only a gullible, small minded moron would believe. Or you'll get people of a certain age who did quite well out of Thatcherism in the 80's, will never change allegiances and would vote a donkey into power if it wore a blue ribbon. Scandals like this won't change a significant portion of minds. People thinking this is going to change anything or be some kind of turning point are going to be disappointed. 

There will always be 'useful idiots'. However they are diminishing. The polls show a long, continuous decline in Tory support. The major problems have yet to hit. Watch this space.

[dj11 377]

Cummings has just been on Twitter. 
Will the CABSEC also be asked to investigate the *flat* party on Fri 13 Nov, the other flat parties, & the flat's 'bubble' policy...?

[RobJames 880]

No 10 is thought to announce a statement on Covid. The house is demanding that any statement is made to the house first.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Muppet is telling the house that the Cabinet Secretary will investigate and there will be discipline if anything occurred. Well you know what its like when people lie don't you, nearly gone PM.

[RobJames 880]

It is the lies that are more damaging. Johnson has boxed himself into a corner. Anyone of those involved could come out and admit there was a group meeting. More than was allowed. They will be looking to save their own skin. Johnson is a (fat) dead man walking

[Lee Marshall 4]

Johnson is looking quite weak right now. The lies he's told are damaging his party.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 minute ago, Lee Marshall said:

Johnson is looking quite weak right now. The lies he's told are damaging his party.

He couldn't even lift his head up when being battered by Blackford.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

22 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Muppet is telling the house that the Cabinet Secretary will investigate and there will be discipline if anything occurred. Well you know what its like when people lie don't you, nearly gone PM.

He really is a muppet if he thinks an 'investigation' by the Cabinet Secretary is going to convince anyone.

Is it going to be an investigation into the party that we already know definitely happened or is it going to include the other parties that are now being reported as well?

Johnson isn't just a serial liar, he's a complete halfwit - as Purple has already pointed out, he lies instinctively and without any thought as to consequences and ramifications that may follow or any idea as to how explain himself when he is caught out.

Given the amount of experience he's had of lying and the trouble he's got into over it, you think he might have got a bit smarter/more careful about telling real porkies. But as we've seen in many areas of his Premiership Johnson is a man who learns nothing from his previous mistakes and seems quite happy to keep repeating them - dither, fudge, lie, dither, fudge, lie, dither, fudge, lie, dither, fudge, lie................ad infinitum, or at least until Tory MPs wake up to the fact that he has turned from being an electoral asset into an electoral liability.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Creative Midfielder

[Lee Marshall 4]

9 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

He couldn't even lift his head up when being battered by Blackford.

Wow, I have no words.

Hopefully Boris, Michael Gove, and Priti Patel will all be gone soon, as they all are useless and suck.

[sonyc 5,492]

1 hour ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

I find it funny that people are shocked and surprised. 

Eton educated Tories spitting on common people and thinking the same rules don't apply to them because they believe they are of better class...Well I never! Outrageous. They don't see themselves as public servants or representatives of their constituents, they believe themselves rulers and leaders and as such the same rules don't apply to them. 

They'll still win the next election by a landslide, loads of idiots will still support Johnson because he has stupid blonde hair like Trump and support the Tories because they hate PC culture and foreigners or believe some conspiracy theory that 'commies' are trying to install a new world order or some other crap that only a gullible, small minded moron would believe. Or you'll get people of a certain age who did quite well out of Thatcherism in the 80's, will never change allegiances and would vote a donkey into power if it wore a blue ribbon. Scandals like this won't change a significant portion of minds. People thinking this is going to change anything or be some kind of turning point are going to be disappointed. 

This 'affair' registers about 1 on the Richter Scale doesn't it. Why should anyone be surprised at all by the behaviour of this lot. Then...when you get even harmless jokester idiots like Ant & Dec mocking you then you also know the portents are not good too. As for Covid, those that have lost loved ones will definitely vote at the ballot box come 2024 (before?).

What should upset more people is the wholesale attack on our basic institutions like our legal system and basic common right to protest or express an alternative opinion.

...We ought to be worried at how the global economy / interests of global capitalism is running the narrative.... We ought to be worried about the increasingly inegalitarian policies being shoe-heeled in without adequate scrutiny... that will affect access to health for all and we ought to be concerned at the shamelessness and vacuousness of the marketing trick that is 'levelling up'.

That we haven't really had much comment from Tory voters on this forum (a forum which is a microcosm of society) tells you what really matters.

Those more centrist or left can rail all they like.This government will simply mock and laugh. That's what you see week in, week out if you take the time to watch how parliament is conducted, how the media responds to it too. There is far too much that is complicit going on I'm afraid.

[RobJames 880]

Not any more. The polls currently point to a 92 seat loss. It could be dismissed as a blip. But it is not. They have been steadily falling for months. And the worst is still to come.

[BigFish 1,986]

22 hours ago, 1902 said:

AV has and always will be better than our current system. It will never be adopted in this country though, every party that wins a majority thinks it's going to keep getting one forever so sees no reason to reform.

AV is not proprtional representation.

First step would be to adopt subsidiarity and full devolution. The use an actual PR system to elect representatives at the appropriate levels. D'Hondt would be effective.

 

[horsefly 4,288]

 

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

True to form Johnson blames everybody else.

I bet Stratton rues the day she ever decide to work for Johnson. Well you choose your friends. Plonker.

Never mind - she 'll soon be under the big red bus with all the other Johnson supporters. How sad never-mind. 

Just one upper class oik/yobbo to go.

[Van wink 2,994]

21 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

True to form Johnson blames everybody else.

I bet Stratton rues the day she ever decide to work for Johnson. Well you choose your friends. Plonker.

Never mind - she 'll soon be under the big red bus with all the other Johnson supporters. How sad never-mind. 

Just one upper class oik/yobbo to go.

Gorn