New Tory Leader

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

How often does the £2.5M new press briefing room get used? Only to announce a £.50 trade deal with the Solomon Islands?

We are missing out on the metaphors Boris. As our great leader said "Where are you? Lets be 'avin you".

Oh I see, no Government Minister is allowed to talk about the fuel crisis. Its nothing to do with them. They didn't cause it. They couldn't have done. They didn't even think about it. Let alone the select committee that told them 15 months ago this would happen.

Surely there are a few clever Etonians who can be spared for 3 months to drive the full but driverless tankers?

We need SKS to forget the lectern today and rip the bowels out of this shoddy, sleazy, scum sucking bunch of liars and tell us that the UK will return to working properly under a proper Labour Government.

People ask why Labour always eats itself from the inside? Its because their supporters will tell their failures and liars like Blair its time to go.

Try getting a Tory to blame his own party. Its like rocking horse siht.

Edited September 28, 2021 by keelansgrandad

[horsefly 4,273]

12 hours ago, sonyc said:

The words that keep coming into my mind are his beseeching of leaders at the climate conference...."it is time for humanity to grow up" with his accent on those last two words, like a scolding parent.

Was that before or after he quoted Kermit the Frog?

[Yellow Fever 3,733]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

How often does the £2.5M new press briefing room get used? Only to announce a £.50 trade deal with the Solomon Islands?

We are missing out on the metaphors Boris. As our great leader said "Where are you? Lets be 'avin you".

Oh I see, no Government Minister is allowed to talk about the fuel crisis. Its nothing to do with them. They didn't cause it. They couldn't have done. They didn't even think about it. Let alone the select committee that told them 15 months ago this would happen.

Surely there are a few clever Etonians who can be spared for 3 months to drive the full but driverless tankers?

We need SKS to forget the lectern today and rip the bowels out of this shoddy, sleazy, scum sucking bunch of liars and tell us that the UK will return to working properly under a proper Labour Government.

People ask why Labour always eats itself from the inside? Its because their supporters will tell their failures and liars like Blair its time to go.

Try getting a Tory to blame his own party. Its like rocking horse siht.

I fully agree with most of this KG especially that SKS needs to "rip the bowels out of this shoddy, sleazy, scum sucking bunch of liars and tell us that the UK will return to working properly under a proper Labour Government." (or any competent government). You and Labour do need to move on from Blair though. That's almost a generation ago.

That said I have a small admission to make. One of my friends was actually a Tory candidate MP. They tried to persuade me at the time a few years back with May still as leader not to worry about Johnson - they hadn't any confidence in him either and assumed he was just a joke act that they'd sensibly all put back in his box!

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

You and Labour do need to move on from Blair though. That's almost a generation ago.

But he still keeps popping up telling us all how to do things. He needs to move on.

[PurpleCanary 5,553]

15 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

In his recent climate-change speech he talked about humanity but could just as easily have been describing himself:

“We believe that someone else will clear up the mess we make, because that is what someone else has always done. We trash our habitats again and again with the inductive reasoning that we have got away with it so far, and therefore we will get away with it again.''

Hemingway sort of said that when people go bankrupt it happens slowly and then very suddenly. That is how it will be with Johnson.

[sonyc 5,481]

8 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Hemingway sort of said that when people go bankrupt it happens slowly and then very suddenly. That is how it will be with Johnson.

That was implied in my puer aeternus reference Purple (Jung source but Marie-Louise Von Franz wrote a brilliant book on the type). Such types fly and fly then come down to earth almost when least expected. Lots of people are duped or charmed by the puer (look at the mainstream press and their fascination...even his name "Boris"). 

[Yellow Fever 3,733]

57 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

You and Labour do need to move on from Blair though. That's almost a generation ago.

But he still keeps popping up telling us all how to do things. He needs to move on.

Some 'Real Politik'.

The only people that 'hate' Blair are the left. Yes he made a bad mistake (not deliberate) in Iraq but had lots of forgotten military/humanitarian successes in the Balkans, Sierra-Leonne and similar. He also implemented many Labour policies notably a renewal of the NHS. Clearly the most successful Labour politician to date bar none.

What he did know was how to win elections against the Tories which could be summed as in 'Don't scare the horses." His language was moderate but centre left - no student antics or 'scum' words which although they may attract the unthinking left repel the floating (currently Tory) voter. Rayner needs to be told to STFU as I'm sure she has from using such language. She might as well of said vote Tory if in doubt to the voters Labour needs.

Johnson's support I'm sure is brittle - even in the Tory party as I alluded too (many will eventually say they were only following orders) as Johnson is personally all the things Rayner suggests - without a shred of a moral compass. Give the average thinking Tory voter a way out of Johnsons growing chaos and SKS will win through. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by Yellow Fever

[horsefly 4,273]

2 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Some 'Real Politik'.

The only people that 'hate' Blair are the left. Yes he made a bad mistake (not deliberate) in Iraq but had lots of forgotten military/humanitarian successes in the Balkans, Sierra-Leonne and similar. He also implemented many Labour policies notably a renewal of the NHS. Clearly the most successful Labour politician to date bar none.

What he did know was how to win elections against the Tories which could be summed as in 'Don't scare the horses." His language was moderate but centre left - no student antics or 'scum' words which although they may attract the unthinking left repel the floating (currently Tory) voter. Rayner needs to be told to STFU as I'm sure she has from using such language. She might as well of said vote Tory if in doubt to the voters Labour needs.

Johnson support I'm sure is brittle - even in the Tory party as I alluded too (many will eventually say they were only following orders) as Johnson is personally all the tings Rayner suggests - without a shred of a moral compass. Give the average thinking Tory voter a way out of Johnsons growing chaos and SKS will win through. 

Agree with that! Would I love a more radical left-wing Labour government? Absolutely! Do I think a more radical left-wing Labour party would win the next election? Absolutely not! The northern "red wall" seats didn't vote Tory because they wanted a more radical far left-wing Labour Party. Labour wins when it occupies the centre-left ground and demonstrates a competent grasp of the key issues of Health, economy, and education (we can add the environmental crisis to the key list this time round). Criticisms can certainly be levelled at Blair and Brown, but we should not forget that the power they achieved for the Labour Party resulted in record levels of investment in Health, education, and a record number of people taken out of poverty. Concentrate on that agenda and the corrupt, incompetent Johnson and his motley crew will be exposed for the self-serving fraudsters that they are. Demonstrations of far-left Ideological purity may get conference goers off their seats, what it doesn't get is Xs in the the ballot box. Fundamentally, the Labour Party exists to serve the working people it was formed to rerpresent; when it is widely perceived to be more interested in serving the ideological interests of Party members (and ideological infiltrators) then it not only loses its raison d'etre, it also loses the votes it needs to gain the political power required to further the causes of ordinary people. 

 

[A Load of Squit 5,111]

 

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

February 2016...The Daily Herald four month before the Referendum a columnist wrote about the tactics of the Remain side calling them 'the agents of project fear'.

'if we vote to Remain' he said', we will continue to sit trapped like passengers in the back seat of some errant minicab with a driver who cannot speak English and who is taking us remorselessly and expensively in the wrong direction'. Boris Johnson.

This was because the Remain camp warned about shortages of jobs that rely on foreign labour, such as driving minicabs, and it has been accurate.

Queues at petrol stations, this country was short of 30.000 HGV drivers before we left the EU, empty shelves at supermarkets. the hospitality industry struggling to find staff, all this has come about.

To label the remain campaign 'project fear' was lazy and disingenuous, designed to stifle mature debate.

[sonyc 5,481]

48 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

February 2016...The Daily Herald four month before the Referendum a columnist wrote about the tactics of the Remain side calling them 'the agents of project fear'.

'if we vote to Remain' he said', we will continue to sit trapped like passengers in the back seat of some errant minicab with a driver who cannot speak English and who is taking us remorselessly and expensively in the wrong direction'. Boris Johnson.

This was because the Remain camp warned about shortages of jobs that rely on foreign labour, such as driving minicabs, and it has been accurate.

Queues at petrol stations, this country was short of 30.000 HGV drivers before we left the EU, empty shelves at supermarkets. the hospitality industry struggling to find staff, all this has come about.

To label the remain campaign 'project fear' was lazy and disingenuous, designed to stifle mature debate.

Quite right (no reactions left). EU nationals numbered 3.57m in 2016 at the time of the referendum and this fell by 200,000  by the end of 2020. 92,000 left in the hospitality sector alone. Interestingly, the number of non-EU nationals has remained around 2.6m. I wonder why that is? The pandemic? To hell it is, it's due to Brexit.

[Herman 9,698]

They've really run out of distractions. Desperate stuff.😀

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

3 minutes ago, Herman said:

They've really run out of distractions. Desperate stuff.😀

 

😂 Pity we don't have a national strategy to address the massive empty space..............between Johnson's ears!

[sonyc 5,481]

31 minutes ago, Herman said:

They've really run out of distractions. Desperate stuff.😀

 

Space? Struggling to get to the next village at the moment.

[Herman 9,698]

2 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Space? Struggling to get to the next village at the moment.

Tell me about it. I had to borrow my old man's car just to get to work this morning.🥴

[Well b back 3,180]

Ford and South Korean battery manufacturer SK Innovation will spend a combined $11.4 billion to build several new factories in the Tennessee and Kentucky focused on the development and production of electric vehicles and the batteries that power them.
 

Just as we were catching up

[Mr Apples 1,315]

30 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Space? Struggling to get to the next village at the moment.

Presumably our rockets will be powered by steam, sail and jingoistic piffle...just like the good old days. 🤣

Apples

Edited September 28, 2021 by Mr Apples

[sonyc 5,481]

5 minutes ago, Mr Apples said:

Presumably our rockets will be powered by steam, sail and hot air...just like the good old days. 🤣

Apples

Shop on the bike today. Back with two bags on the handlebars (like panniers) to keep me balanced. A string of onions round my neck.

Sorted. 

#Brexitwillnotdefeatme

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, sonyc said:

Shop on the bike today. Back with two bags on the handlebars (like panniers) to keep me balanced. A string of onions round my neck.

Sorted. 

#Brexitwillnotdefeatme

Fernandel?

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,180]

The Daily Mail

[Rock The Boat 1,323]

13 hours ago, horsefly said:

Agree with that! Would I love a more radical left-wing Labour government? Absolutely! Do I think a more radical left-wing Labour party would win the next election? Absolutely not! The northern "red wall" seats didn't vote Tory because they wanted a more radical far left-wing Labour Party. Labour wins when it occupies the centre-left ground and demonstrates a competent grasp of the key issues of Health, economy, and education (we can add the environmental crisis to the key list this time round). Criticisms can certainly be levelled at Blair and Brown, but we should not forget that the power they achieved for the Labour Party resulted in record levels of investment in Health, education, and a record number of people taken out of poverty. Concentrate on that agenda and the corrupt, incompetent Johnson and his motley crew will be exposed for the self-serving fraudsters that they are. Demonstrations of far-left Ideological purity may get conference goers off their seats, what it doesn't get is Xs in the the ballot box. Fundamentally, the Labour Party exists to serve the working people it was formed to rerpresent; when it is widely perceived to be more interested in serving the ideological interests of Party members (and ideological infiltrators) then it not only loses its raison d'etre, it also loses the votes it needs to gain the political power required to further the causes of ordinary people. 

 

The highlighted part is all you need to have written.

[Rock The Boat 1,323]

11 hours ago, sonyc said:

Quite right (no reactions left). EU nationals numbered 3.57m in 2016 at the time of the referendum and this fell by 200,000  by the end of 2020. 92,000 left in the hospitality sector alone. Interestingly, the number of non-EU nationals has remained around 2.6m. I wonder why that is? The pandemic? To hell it is, it's due to Brexit.

This is very good news.

[Herman 9,698]

Didn't he do this last year? And what actually happened?

[PurpleCanary 5,553]

Trivial. A short word for three syllables but very wounding.

[Van wink 2,994]

On 28/09/2021 at 11:52, horsefly said:

Agree with that! Would I love a more radical left-wing Labour government? Absolutely! Do I think a more radical left-wing Labour party would win the next election? Absolutely not! The northern "red wall" seats didn't vote Tory because they wanted a more radical far left-wing Labour Party. Labour wins when it occupies the centre-left ground and demonstrates a competent grasp of the key issues of Health, economy, and education (we can add the environmental crisis to the key list this time round). Criticisms can certainly be levelled at Blair and Brown, but we should not forget that the power they achieved for the Labour Party resulted in record levels of investment in Health, education, and a record number of people taken out of poverty. Concentrate on that agenda and the corrupt, incompetent Johnson and his motley crew will be exposed for the self-serving fraudsters that they are. Demonstrations of far-left Ideological purity may get conference goers off their seats, what it doesn't get is Xs in the the ballot box. Fundamentally, the Labour Party exists to serve the working people it was formed to rerpresent; when it is widely perceived to be more interested in serving the ideological interests of Party members (and ideological infiltrators) then it not only loses its raison d'etre, it also loses the votes it needs to gain the political power required to further the causes of ordinary people. 

 

Glad to see you have finally grown up and apart from the first two lines fully agree.

[KernowCanary 214]

12 hours ago, Herman said:

Didn't he do this last year? And what actually happened?

Indeed, he became the next Oliver Cromwell instead. However, this is September and all this talk about cancelling it again this early is a joke, just give it a chance I feel like telling these MSM cronies.

[Herman 9,698]

No comment.😀

 

[horsefly 4,273]

13 hours ago, Van wink said:

Glad to see you have finally grown up and apart from the first two lines fully agree.

Glad you agree with much of what I said (nothing different from what I have said many times previously btw), howvever, your patronising initial comment doesn't sit at all well with your constant childishness of calling me Bill rather than engaging with the issues (take a look back through the threads and that is your standard response irrespective of what I post). I won't hold my breath, but will continue to hope this change of attitude continues in order that genuine debate can take place.

[horsefly 4,273]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

No comment.😀

 

They already provided a screen test for one clown a year or so ago:

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

I think its only appropriate to talk here about the new leader who will bring back security and fight crime and much more, especially control of his party. When he talks about playing a full part in NATO again, he means to continue with the global expansion of this cold war established, and now rewarmed meme, as long as Russia and China are getting it in the neck, well, verbally at least.

 This is the man Starmer, who by his antics and allegiances will guarantee that the Conservative party will get into power again. Elected for his use of the word 'socialism' at least once during his selection campaign, he talks security and abiding by the law, when he is still not answering questions as to why he jailed Julian Assange and send him on this journey to being extradited to America, a country that is more interested in global hegemony and control over trade, regardless of whether this will lead to war or not.

He sees nothing wrong with winding up China, when this country is dependent on China for its agricultural chemicals and fertilizers for next years crops. He will say nothing about his relationship to Mandelson or Blair who are rubbing their hands at the prospects of more political kudos for their oligarch games globally. His dreams about a care system, which deteriorated since Blair was in charge, are relying on cheap carers on a minimum wage and zero hour contracts, with enough humanity in them left to care for people 24/7, just as the Tory's.

Starmer calling Boris trivial, under who's regime 130.000 people died from covid, then he is being kind to a boundering useless failure, these people should not have died in a pandemic prepared modern society, this was bumbling murder.

Starmer is wishi washi and far more dangerous, as he does not concede having failed as a DPP, and who wants to forget about Assanges treatment under a wretchedly crumbling justice system that makes it up as it goes along,  as long as it suits the revenge fanatics in the US.

Here we are being proffered three page party policies that does not need membership support anymore, as long as 20 MP's agree with his stance, just as the Tory's are ruling by edict of a small minority inside their right wing party. He has dragged Labour to a place where it does not consider the majority of working class people, by emulating the Tory's he has guaranteed that they will be re elected, because...

Starmer is vacuous, orientated on those in the centre who might change their mind, but without serious ideas that have hard policies attached. The public is having dream drops sprinkled into their eyes in the hope that they will find something in this wretched individual without emotion or heart.

Making a big thing of Mrs. Ellmann return, when it means that Labour will not be friends to all countries, but allied with another violent and rogue country that is hell bent on changing our foreign policies to suit their aims on objectives, has landed himself into one corner, regardless of whether this country will attack its neighbours again, or start a war with Iran, it seemingly does not matter to him, merely something else to be quiet about.

WE HAVE NO OPPOSITION IN ENGLAND ANYMORE

As for the Lib Dems....they should closely follow the coalition talks in Germany to learn a few things of such a precarious democratic situation, how long it takes to coalesce on every portfolio, not speed date for week and cave in. I say it again, if they would have resigned the coalition with the Tory's, another general election would/could have avoided a City of London Brexit agenda fronted by a useless and lazy Farrage.