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Tettey has zero positional awareness as a centre half.  He should never play there.  Hughill would probably have been a better fit given what he did up front today.

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59 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Could have been four up before the pen

Going off the highlights alone, I’d say only if their keeper was blindfolded!

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Looking at that, there was some lazy tracking back for the second goal, with an apparent complete lack of urgency to stop the winger from crossing the ball.  As for the third, the defenders were all over the place.  Klose going off didn't help of course and you wouldn't blame Tettey if he thought "oh no, not me again" in having to play again at CB.

 

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7 minutes ago, NCFCInnit said:

ffs it was Luton

And?

They're in the same league as us this season, and we don't have some given right to automatically beat everyone because we were in the PL last season.

Also, we had our youth and reserve team out, they didn't.

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42 minutes ago, Indy_Bones said:

And?

They're in the same league as us this season, and we don't have some given right to automatically beat everyone because we were in the PL last season.

Also, we had our youth and reserve team out, they didn't.

Your comment about our so called youth and reserves is incorrect and misses the point entirely. ALL bar Barden are first team squad players - FACT. So if any of our first team are injured then heaven help us it would seem!!

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54 minutes ago, Indy_Bones said:

And?

They're in the same league as us this season, and we don't have some given right to automatically beat everyone because we were in the PL last season.

Also, we had our youth and reserve team out, they didn't.

So all these new signings aren't actually suitable for the Championship? 

Did Farke keep the receipts?

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1 minute ago, yellowrider120 said:

Your comment about our so called youth and reserves is incorrect and misses the point entirely. ALL bar Barden are first team squad players - FACT. So if any of our first team are injured then heaven help us it would seem!!

We have five centre backs atm so would in normal situations always have at least two available and one on the bench. Today we didn't because of circumstances, a major reason why the balance of the side was affected when Klose had to come off.  Add to that the ad hoc nature of the side with 15 away, a rookie goalkeeper and those are the reasons we were not good enough today.   It was a one off and we failed. Yes, one or two didn't do themselves any favours with the way they played, but this was an unusual situation for us - against a competitive Luton side.  One to forget, the cup has gone so the squad players have had their chance to make an impression.  We move on, hopefully the last meh performance for a while. 

 

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8 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

Your comment about our so called youth and reserves is incorrect and misses the point entirely. ALL bar Barden are first team squad players - FACT. So if any of our first team are injured then heaven help us it would seem!!

A first team player is someone expected to start more often than not, so without getting into semantics about the definition of 'first team', the FACT is that NONE of the players starting today apart from maybe Zimmermann (if Gibson isn't match fit), Dowell or Hugill (if he's preferred to Pukki) will likely play against Huddersfield.

Barden won't be playing ahead of Krul (or possibly even McGovern)

Mumba won't be playing ahead of Aarons or Byram

McCallum or Quintilla won't start ahead of Lewis (if he's still here)

Klose won't start ahead of either Godfrey or Gibson (and possibly not even Zimm or a fit Hanley).

Tettey and Rupp will likely be dropped for Skipp/Sorensen and McLean

Front 4 are likely to be some combination of Hernandez, Placheta, Cantwell, Dowell, Pukki, Idah and Hugill (Stiepermann a real outsider IMHO).

And we still have Buendia to return from suspension as well

The key point to all this is that the people that DID play today (again with 1-2 exceptions) aren't expected to play 30+ games, they will come in a game here or there or as a sub to cover injury, suspension or fatigue. What's more, we aren't going to play the lot of them together like we did today, it will normally be only 1-2 of them that are brought in at any one time, again depending on injury etc.

I can safely say that I don't think we'll EVER see that same lineup again this season (unless we do the same idea for the FA cup), and I'd be amazed if any more than 3-4 of them appear in the same team together again (possibly Tettey, Dowell, Hugill and Zimm as main candidates).

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15 minutes ago, Number9 said:

So all these new signings aren't actually suitable for the Championship?

Jesus wept.

Pukki scored 29 last time at this level, Hugill got 15, given both were to perform at exactly the same level, you'd pick Pukki every time over Hugill - does this mean he's not good enough for the Champs or simply that there's a better option most of the time?

Similarly, our primary CB's are likely to be Godfrey and Gibson, NOT Zimm and Klose.

The major point is that our 'squad' players are perfectly capable to cover for a few games, but NOT when you put the lot of them together and expect wonders.

You wouldn't see Man Utd field their 2nd string/youth players each week and expect to challenge for the league, but you wouldn't claim these players are automatically rubbish and not good enough for the PL just because the manager played them all together and dropped the likes of Pogba, Rashford, Martial, De Gea et al!

You cannot look at this in isolation on a player for player basis without taking into account the team factor of having ALL of them in the same side, rather than maybe 1-2 of them as they are covering injury etc.

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17 minutes ago, Indy_Bones said:

Jesus wept.

Pukki scored 29 last time at this level, Hugill got 15, given both were to perform at exactly the same level, you'd pick Pukki every time over Hugill - does this mean he's not good enough for the Champs or simply that there's a better option most of the time?

Similarly, our primary CB's are likely to be Godfrey and Gibson, NOT Zimm and Klose.

The major point is that our 'squad' players are perfectly capable to cover for a few games, but NOT when you put the lot of them together and expect wonders.

You wouldn't see Man Utd field their 2nd string/youth players each week and expect to challenge for the league, but you wouldn't claim these players are automatically rubbish and not good enough for the PL just because the manager played them all together and dropped the likes of Pogba, Rashford, Martial, De Gea et al!

You cannot look at this in isolation on a player for player basis without taking into account the team factor of having ALL of them in the same side, rather than maybe 1-2 of them as they are covering injury etc.

So when Farke acknowledged that we were rubbish and said it's going to be a completely different team for the start of the season, we don't include the five new signings who played today (plus the one on the bench).

Why have we signed players who cannot manage to at least draw against a team who up until a few weeks ago was measuring itself against the likes of Accrington Stanley and Ipswich?

Bear in mind that apart from the keeper, our other players out there today are very experienced. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Number9 said:

So when Farke acknowledged that we were rubbish and said it's going to be a completely different team for the start of the season, we don't include the five new signings who played today (plus the one on the bench).

Why have we signed players who cannot manage to at least draw against a team who up until a few weeks ago was measuring itself against the likes of Accrington Stanley and Ipswich?

Bear in mind that apart from the keeper, our other players out there today are very experienced. 

 

Luton were in the championship last season. 
 

they had pretty much their first team out. If Klose hadn’t got injured I’m pretty confident we would have got at least a draw. The defending that followed his injury was shambolic and shows a softness to our defensive game that still needs to be ironed out but the fact is that our team, without 17 players available at least 10 of which would probably have started if available, was pretty much on a par with Luton and indeed was starting to get on top until we had to re jig things.

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22 minutes ago, Number9 said:

So when Farke acknowledged that we were rubbish and said it's going to be a completely different team for the start of the season, we don't include the five new signings who played today (plus the one on the bench).

Why have we signed players who cannot manage to at least draw against a team who up until a few weeks ago was measuring itself against the likes of Accrington Stanley and Ipswich?

Bear in mind that apart from the keeper, our other players out there today are very experienced. 

 

Experienced - yes, played together before as a team - no.

Martin, Mumba, Barden and McCallum are all younger players with zero experience at this level. Hugill and Dowell also only just joined us so can't be expected to know how their teammates play fully with such limited game time. Rupp looked poor last season and doesn't seem likely to change anyone's minds if he carries on as he is, similarly Stiepermann has looked weak since we went up and has shown no sign of getting back to the player who helped us massively in our promotion season. The other 4 is fair enough, but bear in mind that Vrancic only got 30 mins, and we played those 30 mins with a backline of Tettey alongside Zimmermann (which will NEVER be our first choice pairing).

All 3 of the goals conceded were due to individual fails/mistakes rather than the team playing badly overall (a common problem we've had for some time now), but there's no arguing that we probably should have done slightly better as we had the better players on paper but not the better TEAM on the day.

The Luton side played together for most of last season, we've NEVER fielded this group of players together as a team before, some of whom have never even played in the Champs before, so they have the advantage of better team cohesion and knowing how they play better together, against what should be technically better players on paper but who don't have the same team knowledge and many of whom are adjusting to a completely different style of play, under a new manager, in a new squad, and in a new city.

Most players need some decent time to adapt to these changes, to understand the role they are being asked to perform, what they can expect from their teammates and so on. We've only had a couple of weeks to do this, whilst playing what is expected to be basically our 2nd string (with a couple of exceptions).

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17 hours ago, Indy_Bones said:

And?

They're in the same league as us this season, and we don't have some given right to automatically beat everyone because we were in the PL last season.

Also, we had our youth and reserve team out, they didn't.

Radio Norfolk said they had a full strength team, bar two I think it was.

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Blimey I only put the goals up to let others have a look

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition ........................

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