dylanisabaddog 4,733 Posted July 30, 2020 Sets the bar for our players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted July 30, 2020 In what way? Ake is certainly worth more than any of our players- he's got significant Premier League experience and has been a key player for Bournemouth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,510 Posted July 30, 2020 uh... Much as I rate Godfrey he's only half the player Ake is, if that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,733 Posted July 30, 2020 I disagree with both of you. He's always looked quite ordinary to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 367 Posted July 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: I disagree with both of you. He's always looked quite ordinary to me Same to be fair. He has good games then has some terrible ones. Man city love throwing money at a defence. They'll never have a decent one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted July 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: I disagree with both of you. He's always looked quite ordinary to me I think he was player of the season twice and Bournemouth and has played a few times for the Dutch national team. I dont think he's ordinary and I'd swap him for Godfrey in a heartbeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 30, 2020 Ake has a lot of externalities going for him apart from being a very comfortable Premier League defender; being homegrown, left footed and never injured means a huge amount when determining his fee. (There were only 6 left footed centre backs in the Premier League last season who got significant minutes). The fact Liverpool, Man U and Man C all wanted him also definitely helps get his price up a bit as well. I still expect Godfrey to fetch over £20m easily, but not sure if he is comparable for many reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,314 Posted July 30, 2020 I just remember being very encouraged when Ake was not present for the youth cup final second leg..... cos he was on the bench for Europa league,maybe Champions league final. I seem to remember we won. He's turned into a very steady defender with the odd goal in him too. Not surprised he's gone for big money....will be hard for them to replace though. As Bethno said , a young ish, decent,left footed homegrown CB, name your price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,733 Posted July 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Ake has a lot of externalities going for him apart from being a very comfortable Premier League defender; being homegrown, left footed and never injured means a huge amount when determining his fee. (There were only 6 left footed centre backs in the Premier League last season who got significant minutes). The fact Liverpool, Man U and Man C all wanted him also definitely helps get his price up a bit as well. I still expect Godfrey to fetch over £20m easily, but not sure if he is comparable for many reasons. There is a good reason why there are very few left footed centre backs in the Premier League. Coaches don't like them unless they have two. Left footed and right footed centre backs get in each others way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,314 Posted July 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: There is a good reason why there are very few left footed centre backs in the Premier League. Coaches don't like them unless they have two. Left footed and right footed centre backs get in each others way Really?, I've never heard that before. Not saying its untrue, just would have thought it'd give balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,502 Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, king canary said: In what way? Ake is certainly worth more than any of our players- he's got significant Premier League experience and has been a key player for Bournemouth. It sets the bar in the sense that if Ake is worth 40m, Godfrey is probably worth at least 20m 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,331 Posted July 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, hogesar said: It sets the bar in the sense that if Ake is worth 40m, Godfrey is probably worth at least 20m This Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, hogesar said: It sets the bar in the sense that if Ake is worth 40m, Godfrey is probably worth at least 20m Except some on here reckoned Godfrey was worth 40 plus. If Ake is worth 40 I think we can expect Godfrey to go for 20 maybe 25 tops. (Edit: im also reminded of the sky sports news article earlier this month which said the club value Godfrey at 50...) 1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said: There is a good reason why there are very few left footed centre backs in the Premier League. Coaches don't like them unless they have two. Left footed and right footed centre backs get in each others way Why? Right footer on the right, left footer on the left. Two right footed centre backs would be much more likely to get in each other’s way than one right footer and one left footer. Carragher has today said that Ake and Laporte might struggle together as they are both left footed. Having one left and one right footer though is about the most balanced you can get and would probably be the ideal in a four man defence. Edited July 30, 2020 by Aggy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pugin 601 Posted July 30, 2020 Got a feeling Pep might play Nathan Ake in midfield, which is where he starred for Chelsea as a Youth player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted July 30, 2020 What i think Ake has got that Godfrey lacks is Aggression Ake has that Nasty edge to his game Not OTT but enough to Make sure Strikers know they have had a hard Match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted July 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, norfolkngood said: What i think Ake has got that Godfrey lacks is Aggression Ake has that Nasty edge to his game Not OTT but enough to Make sure Strikers know they have had a hard Match That’s true, it’s something that’s missing throughout the squad unless you count Buendia who takes it too far! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,733 Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Aggy said: Except some on here reckoned Godfrey was worth 40 plus. If Ake is worth 40 I think we can expect Godfrey to go for 20 maybe 25 tops. (Edit: im also reminded of the sky sports news article earlier this month which said the club value Godfrey at 50...) Why? Right footer on the right, left footer on the left. Two right footed centre backs would be much more likely to get in each other’s way than one right footer and one left footer. Carragher has today said that Ake and Laporte might struggle together as they are both left footed. Having one left and one right footer though is about the most balanced you can get and would probably be the ideal in a four man defence. The general view of coaches is that left footed central defenders are not a good thing. It means that both are on their wrong foot if someone gets between them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,204 Posted July 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: The general view of coaches is that left footed central defenders are not a good thing. It means that both are on their wrong foot if someone gets between them Not if you play them on their opposite sides.....I used to play left side as a right footer with a left footer on my right. We only let an average of 4 goals in each game..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted July 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: The general view of coaches is that left footed central defenders are not a good thing. It means that both are on their wrong foot if someone gets between them I see the logic there but I’d argue if your defence is well drilled your centre backs should much more regularly have men going round their outside rather than between the two centre backs. If an attacker tries to go round them on the outside, then you’d be better off having a right footer and left footer than two of the same foot. Likewise if the attacker gets between the centre backs, then as soon as they turn and face their own goal to chase, it makes more sense to have a left foot right foot combination as both defenders will then have their stronger foot nearer the attacker to make the challenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 367 Posted July 30, 2020 4 hours ago, king canary said: I think he was player of the season twice and Bournemouth and has played a few times for the Dutch national team. I dont think he's ordinary and I'd swap him for Godfrey in a heartbeat. Yeah you might but we aren't comparing him to godfrey. Nobody has said godfrey is worth 40m on here for a long time. Last time I can remember is when everyone was jizzing their pants we beat man city. Ake is 25m max in my book. All of our homegrown are probably 15 to 20m max Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 367 Posted July 30, 2020 Nathan Ake Stats 146 Goals12 Wins51 Losses67 Defence Clean sheets30 Goals conceded220 Tackles254 Tackle success %63% Last man tackles3 Blocked shots20 Interceptions206 Clearances757 Headed Clearance413 Clearances off line5 Recoveries633 Duels won657 Duels lost442 Successful 50/50s29 Aerial battles won311 Aerial battles lost272 Own goals0 Errors leading to goal0 Team Play Assists6 Passes5,580 Passes per match38.22 Big chances created9 Crosses61 Cross accuracy %20% Through balls3 Accurate long balls259 Discipline Yellow cards15 Red cards1 Fouls97 Offsides7 Attack Goals12 Headed goals6 Goals with right foot1 Goals with left foot5 Hit woodwork4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 367 Posted July 30, 2020 Ben Godfrey Stats 30 Goals0 Wins5 Losses22 Attack Goals0 Goals per match0.00 Headed goals0 Goals with right foot0 Goals with left foot0 Penalties scored0 Freekicks scored0 Shots15 Shots on target6 Shooting accuracy %40% Hit woodwork2 Big chances missed1 Team Play Assists0 Passes1,660 Passes per match55.33 Big chances created0 Crosses3 Cross accuracy %0% Through balls1 Accurate long balls95 Discipline Yellow cards3 Red cards1 Fouls15 Offsides0 Defence Tackles22 Tackle success %64% Blocked shots0 Interceptions25 Clearances148 Headed Clearance76 Recoveries162 Duels won105 Duels lost70 Successful 50/50s8 Aerial battles won66 Aerial battles lost42 Errors leading to goal0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 922 Posted July 30, 2020 Extrapolating out those stats Godfrey actually is the better performer, very, very similar defensive stats on a per game basis, but far better passing... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites