Dean Coneys boots 1,382 Posted July 28, 2020 Am a little concerned that we are signing more young, slight, skilful midfielders whilst seemingly ignoring the elephant in the room for at least two seasons- our watery defence. I am convinced we over rate them individually. Klose has never been the same since injury and looks past it, Hanley is inquiry prone and has little by way of consistency. Godfrey is a great footballer but error prone at CB especially where positioning is concerned. I think we could do with one or two seasoned, experienced footballers. Perhaps from clubs going up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 28, 2020 Signed a defender yesterday mate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerrykerry 223 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) You do understand how a transfer window works right? The crucial aspect being that deals are not done in positional or priority order. Just maybe the club are holding on prioritising and bidding until they know which defenders are sold? Well done for being yet another person whining about defenders. Why don't you stop until the transfer window shuts? Edited July 28, 2020 by Jerrykerry 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,140 Posted July 28, 2020 To be fair if we keep our existing players and they are fit, I doubt we need more. Some want it all ways round ie we must not sell our young talent Aaron’s, Lewis and Godfrey plus of course Krul, but at the same time we need to sign better defenders and a goalkeeper as the ones we have ( and those 4 played most of the games last year ) are not very good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,354 Posted July 28, 2020 As much as I'd like us to replace Klose I think our 4 cbs are sorted, bar Godfrey getting a move. People seem to forget about the two new defensive midfielders which should hopefully make us a lot more solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted July 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Signed a defender yesterday mate I can't believe these threads happen after every signing. WHY HAVENT WE SIGNED SOMEONE IN THE POSITION WEVE NOT SIGNED ANYONE IN YET. The uniqueness to this thread is we actually signed one yesterday like you say 😂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,066 Posted July 28, 2020 What we really need is experience defenders, who don't get injured, can defend corners using the zonal marking system, are good with their feet, don't get booked or sent off, can score from corners, will attend Fan Social nights, are good with sick children, don't waste time on social media and will deliver food parcels during a Pandemic. I'd prefer them to be a Gemini. All of the defenders we've had who've been any good have been from that star sign. 😀 1 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number9 272 Posted July 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Signed a defender yesterday mate If I understand correctly, 1) Max 2) Byram 3) Bali So if Max goes then it will be Byram first choice and Bali as backup. That's not improving our defence. That's the status quo continuing into next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted July 28, 2020 The Transfer Business is not in full swing yet Wait until one of our 4 big Value youngsters get sold and we get some money in then i imagine and hope we sign more experienced Defenders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDMullins 435 Posted July 28, 2020 What have I missed? I thought we had; Max Byram Godfrey Zimmerman Hanley Klose Jamal Sam M Bali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Coneys boots 1,382 Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CDMullins said: What have I missed? I thought we had; Max Byram Godfrey Zimmerman Hanley Klose Jamal Sam M Bali Clearly you missed the goals against column in the previous two seasons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) What we need is to defend better as a team, and sort ourselves in terms of set-pieces (both for and against); that may be with the current players or new, but conceding 120 goals in two seasons suggests something’s not quite been going to plan. Hopefully getting guys like Sorensen in will be a big help. Edited July 28, 2020 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted July 28, 2020 It's almost like there aren't another ten weeks left of the transfer window. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wymondham Canaries 14 Posted July 28, 2020 James Chester anyone? Experienced and a free transfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,265 Posted July 28, 2020 I would think that there's a fair few low mileage and in decent nick Defenders on the Land Rover website..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 742 Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Wymondham Canaries said: James Chester anyone? Experienced and a free transfer No way, had a terrible time at Stoke and not missed at Villa. Think he falls in the Klose bracket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Number9 said: If I understand correctly, 1) Max 2) Byram 3) Bali So if Max goes then it will be Byram first choice and Bali as backup. That's not improving our defence. That's the status quo continuing into next season. Norwich’s current starting back 4 are; Max-Zimmermann-Godfrey-Lewis. That doesn’t actually need improving for a tilt at the Championship. I’m sure the club have irons in the fire in regards to defenders, but until the future of existing players it better known it is hard to strike. While the club have said they will buy before they sale, I presume that means they will only finalise deals once they know who is being sold. The answer to every problem isn’t ‘buy a new player’. Individually Norwich’s first choice defenders are very good. But injuries and more structural issues meant too many goals have been conceded the previous seasons. Personally I think the key to conceding less lies with getting the midfield balance better - which is the area the club have done the most business. Edited July 28, 2020 by Bethnal Yellow and Green 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDMullins 435 Posted July 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said: Clearly you missed the goals against column in the previous two seasons If you think its possible to start the season with a better back four than; Max Zim Ben Jamal You are very, very deluded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,789 Posted July 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, CDMullins said: If you think its possible to start the season with a better back four than; Max Zim Ben Jamal You are very, very deluded. From what I've seen and heard, McCallum might even be an upgrade on Lewis. Even if Jamal stays, I'm excited to see what McCallum brings to the party. I think we need to get rid of Aarons though, because if I see his name spelled with an apostrophe one more time I think I'm going to kill someone. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted July 28, 2020 4 hours ago, CDMullins said: What have I missed? I thought we had; Max Byram Godfrey Zimmerman Hanley Klose Jamal Sam M Bali Byram, Zimbo, Hanley and Klose are all very injury prone, Aarons, Lewis, and Godfrey are all possible departures this summer, Famewo did quite well whilst out on loan this season but he’s only played a few minutes for us, and I’m afraid I’m not entirely convinced about McCallum and Mumba as they’re yet to make a first team appearance for us Just like others have said we need to look for experienced defenders who aren’t injury prone, preferably from a Championship or Premiership side and maybe in the age range of 23-28 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDMullins 435 Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, HazzaJet said: Byram, Zimbo, Hanley and Klose are all very injury prone, Aarons, Lewis, and Godfrey are all possible departures this summer, Famewo did quite well whilst out on loan this season but he’s only played a few minutes for us, and I’m afraid I’m not entirely convinced about McCallum and Mumba as they’re yet to make a first team appearance for us Just like others have said we need to look for experienced defenders who aren’t injury prone, preferably from a Championship or Premiership side and maybe in the age range of 23-28 So just to confirm, The defence that we went up with and now have a years Premier League experience, now arent good enough and are suddenly all injury prone? And we should replace them all with better, not injury prone, players aged 23-28 from the Premier League which are really cheap if not free? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glory.win or die. 270 Posted July 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said: Am a little concerned that we are signing more young, slight, skilful midfielders whilst seemingly ignoring the elephant in the room for at least two seasons- our watery defence. I am convinced we over rate them individually. Klose has never been the same since injury and looks past it, Hanley is inquiry prone and has little by way of consistency. Godfrey is a great footballer but error prone at CB especially where positioning is concerned. I think we could do with one or two seasoned, experienced footballers. Perhaps from clubs going up. I'd like us to buy ca couple of good solid defenders but the problem isnt so much the players it's the coaching. 3 seasons now our defence has been poor, even in the promotion season.its fine if you still win games but being crap at defending lasts alot longer than being able to outscored the opposition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet 293 Posted July 28, 2020 You can't achieve anything in football if you can't defend. Admittedly we outscored teams in the championship but that doesn't last long. I don't rate Klose, for a big lad he was bullied in the premiership and couldn't handle it. I think you need some big physical units in defence who can dish it out, we are too lightweight and we need to stop those easy crosses into our box Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, CDMullins said: So just to confirm, The defence that we went up with and now have a years Premier League experience, now arent good enough and are suddenly all injury prone? And we should replace them all with better, not injury prone, players aged 23-28 from the Premier League which are really cheap if not free? If only being flippant was at all helpful. The poster you quoted is correct, Byram, Klose and Hanley all have historically poor injury records, and even Zimbo this season just gone. It is foolish to believe they’ll all be fit and available throughout next season. The poster is also right in that the 3 younger, less injury prone defenders have all been touted with moves away, and that leaves one academy youngster who made his senior debut this season for a few cameo minutes, and another who’d yet to kick a ball for us. I certainly don’t think it churlish to suggest we need a couple of reliable defensive additions, whether they cost money or not! Of course players of that age and quality will not be sub-£1m bargains, occasionally you have to spend to acquire quality. Hopefully we’ll see one of the youngsters sold for good money and those funds be wisely re-invested into defensive reinforcements ready for the gruelling Champs campaign ahead. Edited July 29, 2020 by Canary Wundaboy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted July 29, 2020 I wouldn’t say replace them all, maybe look at getting another CB as 3 of the 5 CBs as Hanley, Zimbo and Klose are injury prone, Godfrey is believed to be a possible target for a PL club, and and the only experience Famewo has is a short loan spell at an SPL club. If we do receive an offer for one of them though, we must replace with an experienced defender from a Championship/Premiership club who isn’t injury prone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, CDMullins said: So just to confirm, The defence that we went up with and now have a years Premier League experience, now arent good enough and are suddenly all injury prone? And we should replace them all with better, not injury prone, players aged 23-28 from the Premier League which are really cheap if not free? I wouldn’t say replace them all, maybe look at getting another CB as 3 of the 5 CBs as Hanley, Zimbo and Klose are injury prone, Godfrey is believed to be a possible target for a PL club, and and the only experience Famewo has is a short loan spell at an SPL club. If we do receive an offer for one of them though, we must replace with an experienced defender from a Championship/Premiership club who isn’t injury prone Why did Tettey have to partner Godfrey whilst Klose was suspended? - Hanley and Zimbo were both injured and I think it was down to Famewo being inexperienced and possibly still ineligible to play following his loan spell. Klose and Zimbo were both injured in pre-season, made their season debuts in the League Cup, in which Klose only got injured again and didn’t come back until early summer, Zimbo got injured early on in the following game v West Ham and was out for about 1/2 the season in total, and I think Hanley was out for about 1/3 of the season Edited July 29, 2020 by HazzaJet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,975 Posted July 29, 2020 10 hours ago, HazzaJet said: I’m afraid I’m not entirely convinced about McCallum and Mumba as they’re yet to make a first team appearance for us Yes why haven't they played in the day they have been with the club? Farke obviously doesn't fancy them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samwam27 517 Posted July 29, 2020 Klose, Hanley and Byram all have injury records + Championship is far more physical than Premiership and look out how easily we were out muscled this season Weve played zonal marking for two seasons now, with Farke even admitting he plays this because he doesn't feel we have the players for man to man marking. And look at how many we've conceded last two seasons. Playing with current players mean we'll do so again and we'll leak, ship in and give more goals. Just because they've played in Premiership for a season doesn't mean they'll be better, stronger defenders this season. They might be young and talented but as a back four, with Aarons, Lewis Godfrey and whoever is fit to partner Godfrey, but they've has looked weak for two seasons now. We'll ship in many goals this season again for all the reasons above. I'd be amazed if one or more of those mentioned don't go, but we desperately need so stronger, more physical defenders to sure up one of the leakiest defences we've ever had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christoph Stiepermann 1,120 Posted July 29, 2020 While I agree that many of our problems have stemmed from the midfield not offering enough protection, we still have the issue of conceding too easily from crosses and you can't expect the midfielders to drop into the penalty box to mark players every time the ball gets played wide by the opposition. It doesn't matter which combination of our 4 CB's we play, we always struggle immensely at dealing with crosses, whether that's high floated or low across the ground, it always causes us chaos and it's such a cheap and relatively risk free way for the opposition to hurt us. Particularly in the Championship where many teams don't play through the lines, they like to get the ball wide, get bodies in the box and then smash it in and hope for the best, this shouldn't cause good teams many problems but we can't defend these situations. This is an individual problem with all of our CB's and it's why we need new, experienced signings there. We need 5 first team quality CB's to account for injuries and incase Farke wants to play a 3. We currently have 4 and one of them will likely be sold this summer. I personally would be extremely disappointed if we don't make any signings at CB again this summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wymondham Canaries 14 Posted July 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Dr Greenthumb said: No way, had a terrible time at Stoke and not missed at Villa. Think he falls in the Klose bracket. I have many friends who are Villa fans. They were gutted when he left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites