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More and more midfielders arriving, but we can’t defend or score goals, so when will the wake up and smell the coffee?

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Someone needs to write a bot programme to identify these posts and then immediately reply “signings are not made in order of priority”. 

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3 minutes ago, WD40 said:

Someone needs to write a bot programme to identify these posts and then immediately reply “signings are not made in order of priority”. 

Particularly when the incoming midfielders are comfortable playing at CB and have done so numerous times for their previous club.

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Barcelona could offer us Messi for free tomorrow and some on here would say no thanks he’s not a defender 

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Two main reasons I'd guess...

1) This season isn't over yet and we don't have to sign players in a set order

2) We don't know for sure which of our defenders are leaving. If we signed a central defender or a right back and then Godfrey and Aarons both stay we'll be massively overstocked.

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3 minutes ago, king canary said:

Two main reasons I'd guess...

1) This season isn't over yet and we don't have to sign players in a set order

2) We don't know for sure which of our defenders are leaving. If we signed a central defender or a right back and then Godfrey and Aarons both stay we'll be massively overstocked.

Exactly this. If we sign a centreback he has to be better than at least three we have unless someone leaves. 

 

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4 minutes ago, king canary said:

Two main reasons I'd guess...

1) This season isn't over yet and we don't have to sign players in a set order

2) We don't know for sure which of our defenders are leaving. If we signed a central defender or a right back and then Godfrey and Aarons both stay we'll be massively overstocked.

Surely you mean 'we're shipping goals for fun and we really need to improve our defence'

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22 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

More and more midfielders arriving, but we can’t defend or score goals, so when will the wake up and smell the coffee?

Some people are just programmed to find negatives....   oh, and to engage the fingers before the brain!     

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1 minute ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Some people are just programmed to find negatives....   oh, and to engage the fingers before the brain!     

He probably was just referring to the national collection of midfielders Farke has accumulated compared with our total inability to defend which keeps getting ignored.

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Just now, Number9 said:

He probably was just referring to the national collection of midfielders Farke has accumulated compared with our total inability to defend which keeps getting ignored.

Too right - Defensive midfielders offer no help defensively. Can see the logic there. 🙄

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Just now, kick it off said:

Too right - Defensive midfielders offer no help defensively. Can see the logic there. 🙄

Are you saying that ours have?

I'd suggest you look at the League table first 

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I mean it's even more impressive when you consider that our last season hasn't even ended yet!

Although I noticed on the q&a that archant journalists did today that suggested a lot depended on what happens to Klose and Godfrey. 

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4 minutes ago, Number9 said:

Are you saying that ours have?

I'd suggest you look at the League table first 

So surely signing better ones who might be more helpful defensively is a signing aimed to address the exact problem you're complaining we are not addressing? Jesus.

Not to mention the season isn't even over, and nobody has said we're happy with the defence and won't look to make some moves there, which I think most people with a brain can see is pretty likely.

You're literally complaining that signing a defensive midfielder (that we expect to be effective I presume) to replace our ineffective defensive midfielders is not a good idea because we're not sorting out the defence....

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16 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Barcelona could offer us Messi for free tomorrow and some on here would say no thanks he’s not a defender 

Got a Great left foot maybe a wing back to replace Lewis ? 

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1 minute ago, kick it off said:

So surely signing better ones who might be more helpful defensively is a signing aimed to address the exact problem you're complaining we are not addressing? Jesus.

You'll know from a few minutes ago that I wasn't complaining that we hadn't addressed the problem yet, I merely offered an explanation as to why the poster had complained. 

 

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38 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

More and more midfielders arriving, but we can’t defend or score goals, so when will the wake up and smell the coffee?

Epic troll or utter thickie? 

 

Are you so simple that you think transfers are done in a specific order? 

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1 minute ago, Jerrykerry said:

Epic troll or utter thickie? 

 

Are you so simple that you think transfers are done in a specific order? 

Wait till you see all the posts on the Facebook groups right now...

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2 minutes ago, Number9 said:

You'll know from a few minutes ago that I wasn't complaining that we hadn't addressed the problem yet, I merely offered an explanation as to why the poster had complained. 

 

Fair enough - makes sense in that context - it read (to me at least) that you were agreeing with him

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39 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

More and more midfielders arriving, but we can’t defend or score goals, so when will the wake up and smell the coffee?

If you actually look at our weaknesses it’s not our back four, that’s pretty sorted, it’s a lack of a decent mobile central defensive midfielder who tracks runners, breaks the play up and supports the back four.

Tettey is our best at that but unfortunately not as mobile as he once was. So signing a couple players in that role is brilliant. I’m sure central defenders are to come.

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1 minute ago, Number9 said:

He probably was just referring to the national collection of midfielders Farke has accumulated compared with our total inability to defend which keeps getting ignored.

But what's the point of this thread though.      We have all been going on about the fact that Leitner, Vrancic, Steipermann, McLeann, Tettey etc... aren't good enough for the project so what's wrong with getting a prospect in (before someone else signs them) as a likely replacement.    Webber has already aluded to the likelihood of players leaving and when he did last week he was referring to those that hadn't made the EPL grade, not our best talent.   

You also say Farke has accummulated them, not sure that's correct either.    Wasn't that our recruitment depts responsibility to find and sign players.   

As for our total inability to defend.... the main reasons for that are ..... 1) no central midfield influence to screen the defence - being addressed by this signing..... 2) a group of young, inexperienced lads left to fend for themselves without sufficient experience and guidance due to injuries primarily.... 3) a philosophy to play from the back which puts them under even more pressure.   4) no forward outlet.... none of them can hold a ball up so it keeps coming back.    3 of those are nothing to do with signing defenders.     It's a team game, we haven't defended well as a team and too many on here haven't got a clue what they are talking about.    Rarely do posters articulate their points with rational and reasoned justification.

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1 minute ago, ged in the onion bag said:

But what's the point of this thread though.      We have all been going on about the fact that Leitner, Vrancic, Steipermann, McLeann, Tettey etc... aren't good enough for the project so what's wrong with getting a prospect in (before someone else signs them) as a likely replacement.    Webber has already aluded to the likelihood of players leaving and when he did last week he was referring to those that hadn't made the EPL grade, not our best talent.   

You also say Farke has accummulated them, not sure that's correct either.    Wasn't that our recruitment depts responsibility to find and sign players.   

As for our total inability to defend.... the main reasons for that are ..... 1) no central midfield influence to screen the defence - being addressed by this signing..... 2) a group of young, inexperienced lads left to fend for themselves without sufficient experience and guidance due to injuries primarily.... 3) a philosophy to play from the back which puts them under even more pressure.   4) no forward outlet.... none of them can hold a ball up so it keeps coming back.    3 of those are nothing to do with signing defenders.     It's a team game, we haven't defended well as a team and too many on here haven't got a clue what they are talking about.    Rarely do posters articulate their points with rational and reasoned justification.

If you could avoid sensible posts like this one full of logic and an actual grasp of football it would be appreciated. Common sense has no place on this forum, you and your kind are not welcome here.

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3 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

But what's the point of this thread though.      We have all been going on about the fact that Leitner, Vrancic, Steipermann, McLeann, Tettey etc... aren't good enough for the project so what's wrong with getting a prospect in (before someone else signs them) as a likely replacement.    Webber has already aluded to the likelihood of players leaving and when he did last week he was referring to those that hadn't made the EPL grade, not our best talent.   

You also say Farke has accummulated them, not sure that's correct either.    Wasn't that our recruitment depts responsibility to find and sign players.   

As for our total inability to defend.... the main reasons for that are ..... 1) no central midfield influence to screen the defence - being addressed by this signing..... 2) a group of young, inexperienced lads left to fend for themselves without sufficient experience and guidance due to injuries primarily.... 3) a philosophy to play from the back which puts them under even more pressure.   4) no forward outlet.... none of them can hold a ball up so it keeps coming back.    3 of those are nothing to do with signing defenders.     It's a team game, we haven't defended well as a team and too many on here haven't got a clue what they are talking about.    Rarely do posters articulate their points with rational and reasoned justification.

I agree with that 😊

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6 minutes ago, Number9 said:

I agree with that 😊

The main point is the priority should be, looking at our stats, conceded the most goals, scored the least = Relegation.

its not just this season it’s been like it for years, we couldn’t defend when we won the title last time around; if we hadn’t have been free scoring, we would have been outside the play offs in mid table. Sound defence equals clean sheets, and a minimum of a draw at level.

The ones we have are not good enough, we don’t need to wait and see who goes, you can work that out for yourselves!!!

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5 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

The main point is the priority should be, looking at our stats, conceded the most goals, scored the least = Relegation.

its not just this season it’s been like it for years, we couldn’t defend when we won the title last time around; if we hadn’t have been free scoring, we would have been outside the play offs in mid table. Sound defence equals clean sheets, and a minimum of a draw at level.

The ones we have are not good enough, we don’t need to wait and see who goes, you can work that out for yourselves!!!

Or a coach could be employed to specifically train the defence as a unit

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16 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

The main point is the priority should be, looking at our stats, conceded the most goals, scored the least = Relegation.

its not just this season it’s been like it for years, we couldn’t defend when we won the title last time around; if we hadn’t have been free scoring, we would have been outside the play offs in mid table. Sound defence equals clean sheets, and a minimum of a draw at level.

The ones we have are not good enough, we don’t need to wait and see who goes, you can work that out for yourselves!!!

WRONG!!!! 

The ones we have are young, inexperienced and still learning and have just gone through a torrid time due to injuries to others, no chance to rest, no support, no central midfield screen.... etc... etc... Then we have Zimmermann and Hanley who did OK when fit during January.    We came back from the break to news that 3 of our better more experienced defenders where out for the rest of the season..... how demoralising must that have been for the whole squad to know they had to go again, 6 points adrift, with a subs bench of non-performers and no (yes no) defenders in reserve.     Add to that Klose wasn't able to reach any kind of acceptable form.  It's no surprise they have struggled.    But to argue they aren't good enough after the torment they've been exposed to is absolute garbage.   

Can guarantee that if any of them get sold for less than £15m, you'll be going berserk!   Not good enough eh! 

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Just excuses, and quoting they did OK, how many games did we win or not concede in January, considering we had a total of 3 clean sheets all season!!

its all about what if, same old story.

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5 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

Just excuses, and quoting they did OK, how many games did we win or not concede in January, considering we had a total of 3 clean sheets all season!!

its all about what if, same old story.

Here's a what if... What if we had a defensive midfielder who was aggressive and mobile, and could break play up a bit more effectively than Trybull, stopping the defence having the ball come straight back at them everytime they clear it.

Would that:

A) Benefit the defence and help them to concede fewer goals

B) Harm the defence and lead to conceding more goals

If you answered A, congratulations, you've totally undermined the entire thread you created.

Nobody is saying the defence was good, they're just saying there were circumstances which made them look worse than they probably are. We all know there will be turnover defensively this season. It won't shock anyone when it happens (except apparently you as you don't seem to grasp that transfers don't happen in a vacuum and there can be multiple deals happening at once).

Quite why you choose to focus only on tiny bits of the picture at a time, instead of seeing the bigger picture is bizarre.

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6 minutes ago, hps2031a said:

Just excuses, and quoting they did OK, how many games did we win or not concede in January, considering we had a total of 3 clean sheets all season!!

its all about what if, same old story.

Keep digging! 

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13 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Here's a what if... What if we had a defensive midfielder who was aggressive and mobile, and could break play up a bit more effectively than Trybull, stopping the defence having the ball come straight back at them everytime they clear it.

Would that:

A) Benefit the defence and help them to concede fewer goals

B) Harm the defence and lead to conceding more goals

If you answered A, congratulations, you've totally undermined the entire thread you created.

Nobody is saying the defence was good, they're just saying there were circumstances which made them look worse than they probably are. We all know there will be turnover defensively this season. It won't shock anyone when it happens (except apparently you as you don't seem to grasp that transfers don't happen in a vacuum and there can be multiple deals happening at once).

Quite why you choose to focus only on tiny bits of the picture at a time, instead of seeing the bigger picture is bizarre.

Well written post, the propensity to concede goals from set pieces is one of our biggest challenges. 

Obviously that's slightly different to the situation you described. 

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