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4th July...are we allowed back in??

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9 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

With a simple every other seat occupied, every other row occupied plan you immediately have 75% of the ground empty, so is it worth employing the number of people required to police that?

 

Let's say you go to matches as a couple. With the seating scheme above, only one of you can go. Are you still going on that basis? Unlikely IMHO, especially if there are complications with the journey (only one of you drives, it's a long journey and you don't want to do it alone...). Or a larger group where the pre/post-match socialising is a key part of the experience. Or you're in one of the high risk groups, or have someone in your household who is, and you're not willing to risk it. Or... There are so many scenarios where fans aren't going to show up to what is already a drastically reduced attendance that it will be a pale shadow of matchday at its best.

 

If the rules are down to 1m, I don’t think you’d skip a row. Just have every other seat missing and stagger so you end up with diagonals. Will be nearer 50 per cent than 75 per cent.

And I’d imagine the income from season ticket sales (even if you only got to fifty percent of 33 per cent of games) would outweigh any additional cost of policing - which shouldn’t be too significant as there are half as many attendees so you can probably make do with the current staffing levels but reassigned.

As to your second paragraph - if people dont want to go they dont have to. If it’s not the same, it’s not the same. That’s life, get over it. Sounds harsh but I’m not sure what people are expecting... let’s keep the whole stadium shut because my wife has to sit two seats way from me?

1 minute ago, TIL 1010 said:

Activation relates to the seat not the person in possession of the ticket so the logistics are not that simple.

Presumably you just don’t let people choose where to sit? If they don’t want to sit elsewhere - tough. There are others who will happily do so. 

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32 minutes ago, ricardo said:

No shouting, no cheering, no singing, no toilets.

No point.

Isn’t the season null and void anyway ?😉

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16 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

The gates open 1.5 hours before kick off, plenty of time for 10k to get in 

Okay but how do you stagger those?

You can't just say 'everyone turn up at 1:30pm' as you'd then have a 10,000 person crowd to contain outside the ground. 10,000 people spaced a meter apart is going to be quite a long queue...

You also can't say 'turn up whenever' as you'd likely have similar issues where 70% of ticket holders all show up at 2:30. 

This is all possible but again, the idea it is not that hard is just amazing.

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2 minutes ago, king canary said:

Okay but how do you stagger those?

You can't just say 'everyone turn up at 1:30pm' as you'd then have a 10,000 person crowd to contain outside the ground. 10,000 people spaced a meter apart is going to be quite a long queue...

You also can't say 'turn up whenever' as you'd likely have similar issues where 70% of ticket holders all show up at 2:30. 

This is all possible but again, the idea it is not that hard is just amazing.

I’m not suggesting everyone arrives at 1.30, im saying 10k fans have an hour and a half to arrive and get in which is very doable. Before the virus 27k people got in in that time so a third of that should be ok. 

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8 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Isn’t the season null and void anyway ?😉

Its certainly nul.

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21 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Out of interest, if posters on here had the option to go would you ? I’m a yes

Definitely yes, a fair few months to go before a delayed start to next season. Things can only get better as the song goes. 

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53 minutes ago, king canary said:

How do you ID these fans? Do you need police at the ground? Would the police be happy to be used for this?

Who enforces this? Stewards? How many stewards do you need present to enforce this properly?

Also how do you stagger entry to the ground for 10,000 people? Do they have a designated time slot they have to arrive by?

I do't disagree something will need to be sorted for next season but to say it is 'not that hard' isn't really fair. 

Staggered entry and allocated turnstiles, socially distanced queueing. CCTV to ID any fans that congregate (same way they ID racist chants etc) (would be harder for other clubs maybe but I genuinely don't think this would be much of a problem for us - there weren't crowds hanging around outside last week). Couple of police to wander round the ground a few times maybe - not sure how they'd feel about it but wouldn't need a large police presence imo.

RE: Toilets etc, I did say at the bottom of post that a full complement of stewards would probably be needed if opening up the entire ground, even though there'd only be say 30% of fans there.

I'm not pretending to have an in depth plan for this, not my job to work one out. But if I can come up with ideas that would solve many of the issues in about 10 minutes late at night, I'm pretty confident the club will have been able to come up with a coherent plan by now in the weeks/months they've been thinking about this.

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19 minutes ago, king canary said:

Okay but how do you stagger those?

You can't just say 'everyone turn up at 1:30pm' as you'd then have a 10,000 person crowd to contain outside the ground. 10,000 people spaced a meter apart is going to be quite a long queue...

You also can't say 'turn up whenever' as you'd likely have similar issues where 70% of ticket holders all show up at 2:30. 

This is all possible but again, the idea it is not that hard is just amazing.

If your seat is odd number arrive by 1:45. If your seat is an even number arrive after 2:15. Job done.

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Fans would have to physical contact passing along the isles re needing to use the toilets etc 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

I’m not suggesting everyone arrives at 1.30, im saying 10k fans have an hour and a half to arrive and get in which is very doable. Before the virus 27k people got in in that time so a third of that should be ok. 

But you'd have to have some system in place to stagger those arrivals- you can't just rely on everyone turning up at a sensible, spaced out time.

For instance, if you book a ticket for a popular exhibition you'll usually have a 15 minute entry slot to prevent overcrowding. So for football you could maybe do similar.

2,500 have 1:30-1:45

2,500 have 1:45-2:00

2,500 have 2:00- 2:15

2,500 have 2:15-2:30

You'd have to work out a way to evenly space those across entrances, you'd have to think about how to prevent other people with a later entry window just waiting outside the stands as it would kind of defeat the point and you'd have to have a robust stewarding system to deal with those who turned up after their window was closed. 

So lots of different factors that need to be worked on to make it viable. 

My point here isn't it can't be done- my point is it isn't as simple as folks on here are making out.

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7 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Definitely yes, a fair few months to go before a delayed start to next season. Things can only get better as the song goes. 

Not for me until this thing is out of the system. It thrives in close crowd / contact situations. And it's very clear it is circulating, just see all the news stories (the tennis tournament Djokovic has organised is just one example). As Whitty has stated we have to learn to live with this into 2021. Football will continue to be behind closed doors I'm quite sure. As for half full grounds, that's an interesting idea but administratively so difficult to ensure the arrivals and departures are organised and therefore economically disadvantageous.

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8 minutes ago, king canary said:

My point here isn't it can't be done- my point is it isn't as simple as folks on here are making out.

I’m not sure if people are saying it’s simple, they’re saying it’s doable

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I'd probably also make masks compulsory when going to the toilets. sanitise turnstiles between uses.  Anything which can be done to limit the spread of it.   I could see it starting with maybe 5000 as a test run, then expanding to 10000.  

Give people different entry times, on their ticket, if you miss your slot you dont get in.   maybe put some entertainment on for people who'd be waiting a while. 

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9 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Not for me until this thing is out of the system. It thrives in close crowd / contact situations. And it's very clear it is circulating, just see all the news stories (the tennis tournament Djokovic has organised is just one example). As Whitty has stated we have to learn to live with this into 2021. Football will continue to be behind closed doors I'm quite sure. As for half full grounds, that's an interesting idea but administratively so difficult to ensure the arrivals and departures are organised and therefore economically disadvantageous.

I think the grounds will open up sooner than you think but as others have mentioned limited capacity to begin with. 
This government are pleasers to big business which includes football. 

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Apart from the logistical nightmare for the club, I don't think that the cost benefits would outweigh the cost implications. Also knowing what knobheads a fair  percentage of the population are, how do you adequately  police access and entry to the ground,  social distancing in the concourses, opening up bars and kiosks safely etc etc.  I note there have been some relatively positive suggestions on here but I don't think any  of them would be cost effective for the club.

More importantly for me,  apart from the potential health implications, going to the footie has always been more of a social event rather than just what happens on the pitch - 3 of the people I sit with have been going with me for 35 years and 1 for over 20 years - if we were to get alternate games or 1 in 3 matches then the whole social aspect  of the event goes out the window if we can't attend together.  A lot of you on here obviously have a lot more years than me for this thing to get sorted so think long term.  I only really want to return when I  can enjoy  the experience that I signed up to 55 years ago - I  appreciate that  others might not share this view.

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1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said:

Out of interest, if posters on here had the option to go would you ? I’m a yes

My wife was in the shielding group before the government decided everything's ok now. I can't look her in the eye and say it's more important that I go to a football match than trying to minimise the chances of her catching a potentially fatal disease. 

 

So it's a no from me.

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Just now, Nuff Said said:

My wife was in the shielding group before the government decided everything's ok now. I can't look her in the eye and say it's more important that I go to a football match than trying to minimise the chances of her catching a potentially fatal disease. 

 

So it's a no from me.

I'm probably with you on this - apart from my  own fears (I'm not getting any younger), we are helping relatives that are still shielding so it's a no from me - life is far more important than football whatever Bill Shankly thought!!!

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2 minutes ago, Lord Horn (again) said:

I'm probably with you on this - apart from my  own fears (I'm not getting any younger), we are helping relatives that are still shielding so it's a no from me - life is far more important than football whatever Bill Shankly thought!!!

Added to which, I would guess that many of those who do attend will be younger and fitter, so less at risk, will probably have had a couple of drinks and be excited about going back to the football. So not militant about hygiene and maintaining 1m distance, or whatever it is at the time. Almost perfect conditions to increase transmission rates.

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4 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Added to which, I would guess that many of those who do attend will be younger and fitter, so less at risk, will probably have had a couple of drinks and be excited about going back to the football. So not militant about hygiene and maintaining 1m distance, or whatever it is at the time. Almost perfect conditions to increase transmission rates.

Exactly - especially when 'Spoons' reopens!!!!

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I'm guessing this comes down to age/vulnerability. Those who are older, have underlying health issues or look after someone who falls into the above category probably wouldn't want to take the risk. 

Those who are younger and don't have contact with elderly relatives, or 'naive' people like myself who live outside the UK in coronavirus-free areas are probably prepared to take the risk.

I can't see it happening this season though, but banning fans until there's a vaccine I think is unrealistic, because that may be over a year away. Also, the virus should be under control much sooner than that as long as the UK actually bothers to follow the rules.

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13 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I'm guessing this comes down to age/vulnerability. Those who are older, have underlying health issues or look after someone who falls into the above category probably wouldn't want to take the risk. 

Those who are younger and don't have contact with elderly relatives, or 'naive' people like myself who live outside the UK in coronavirus-free areas are probably prepared to take the risk.

I can't see it happening this season though, but banning fans until there's a vaccine I think is unrealistic, because that may be over a year away. Also, the virus should be under control much sooner than that as long as the UK actually bothers to follow the rules.

Nuff said

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13 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I'm guessing this comes down to age/vulnerability. Those who are older, have underlying health issues or look after someone who falls into the above category probably wouldn't want to take the risk. 

Those who are younger and don't have contact with elderly relatives, or 'naive' people like myself who live outside the UK in coronavirus-free areas are probably prepared to take the risk.

I can't see it happening this season though, but banning fans until there's a vaccine I think is unrealistic, because that may be over a year away. Also, the virus should be under control much sooner than that as long as the UK actually bothers to follow the rules.

There's the rub!

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I would like the most loyal fans based on the points system getting first dibs of any tickets and going down the tiers

seems the fairest way of allocating any limited seats

i would also like to see the Gunn club back open with suitable social distancing measures and suitable arrangements for getting scampi 🍤 to the fans safely 

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10 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Nuff said

 

10 minutes ago, Lord Horn (again) said:

There's the rub!

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that numbers are falling much more slowly in the UK and it has had quite possibly the least obeyed lockdown Europe. But this is another for a discussion for another thread.

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20 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

No toilets so bring a bottle. 

 

19 hours ago, daly said:

 

Pity they don’t enforce that rule

 Can’t believe the number of times I have to get up during the game 

It worked quite well for a bloke sat next to me in the blankets one time  - no, it wasn’t Nutty - but it does present logistical issues for female supporters and others who don’t have the necessary equipment. 😀

Sorry to hear you’ve got problems in the bladder dept though daly 😉

Edited by ......and Smith must score.

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4 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

Out of interest, if posters on here had the option to go would you ? I’m a yes

No chance.

I live with someone who is vulnerable so there’s no way I’m setting foot in the place again until there’s a vaccine or the virus has disappeared naturally

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5 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

Out of interest, if posters on here had the option to go would you ? I’m a yes

Yes from me too. No vulnerable family members I see on a regular basis, in a low-risk group myself. 

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