4th July...are we allowed back in??

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

...following today's government announcement that social distancing is cut to 1m ...pubs , restaurants opening ...and unlike the theatre or cinema ,football is an outside spectator activity.

What reason is there that ,as long as seats are spaced appropriately that 'some' fans can't return to football stadiums from that date??

[king canary 8,736]

How do you decide who those people are? How do you police entry? How do you spread them out? How do you deal with others who show up?

A few reasons... 

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

7 minutes ago, king canary said:

How do you decide who those people are? How do you police entry? How do you spread them out? How do you deal with others who show up?

A few reasons... 

well of course there are logistical problems to be overcome....but none of those are insummountable, no more so than any other venue /workplace of whom people are returning to.

….but from a governmental point of view, I don't see why a proportion of fans can't be allowed in to football stadiums under these new relaxations?

are we really saying that its "all or nothing" as to when fans can return?  ….either an empty stadium or 27k with no increments?

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

It's a fair point and reduced attendances could be the way ahead for some time to come. It's got to be better than an empty stadium, and if people don't feel safe, don't go.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

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[king canary 8,736]

40 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

well of course there are logistical problems to be overcome....but none of those are insummountable, no more so than any other venue /workplace of whom people are returning to.

….but from a governmental point of view, I don't see why a proportion of fans can't be allowed in to football stadiums under these new relaxations?

are we really saying that its "all or nothing" as to when fans can return?  ….either an empty stadium or 27k with no increments?

I would say they combine being much more difficult to overcome and much less necessary.

[FenwayFrank 2,699]

Let’s say 10k can go to a game ( just over a third capacity). Half of season ticket holders go to one game, the other half to the next. Activate the season tickets for that match. No kiosks open, possibly no toilets either and it would have to be per household but I don’t see that it has to be that complicated. At least then ST holders could go to every other game.

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

No toilets so bring a bottle. 

[daly 550]

 

51 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

No toilets so bring a bottle. 

Pity they don’t enforce that rule

 Can’t believe the number of times I have to get up during the game 

[TIL 1010 5,238]

1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said:

Let’s say 10k can go to a game ( just over a third capacity). Half of season ticket holders go to one game, the other half to the next. Activate the season tickets for that match. No kiosks open, possibly no toilets either and it would have to be per household but I don’t see that it has to be that complicated. At least then ST holders could go to every other game.

Activating season tickets 50/50 means you would be very fortunate to have an even spread of supporters as your ticket relates to a particular seat in the ground plus of course a block of 2,400 seats in the South Stand away section being empty.

[FenwayFrank 2,699]

8 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Activating season tickets 50/50 means you would be very fortunate to have an even spread of supporters as your ticket relates to a particular seat in the ground plus of course a block of 2,400 seats in the South Stand away section being empty.

Move some season ticket holders to the away section, all I’m saying is it could be done

[TIL 1010 5,238]

Just now, FenwayFrank said:

Move some season ticket holders to the away section, all I’m saying is it could be done

An absolute logistical nightmare for the club FF and an absolute army of stewarding will be required to operate it.

Any news on when M&S are opening their toilets ? The ladies were moaning on Sunday in Ramapant Horse Street so what sort of fuss several hundred of them would make at Carrow Road goodness knows. 😜

[FenwayFrank 2,699]

1 minute ago, TIL 1010 said:

An absolute logistical nightmare for the club FF and an absolute army of stewarding will be required to operate it.

Any news on when M&S are opening their toilets ? The ladies were moaning on Sunday in Ramapant Horse Street so what sort of fuss several hundred of them would make at Carrow Road goodness knows. 😜

They should have gone before they left the house 😉

[king canary 8,736]

1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said:

Move some season ticket holders to the away section, all I’m saying is it could be done

For me the logistical headache and the potential risks far outweighs any positives.

Edited June 23, 2020 by king canary

[kick it off 2,062]

Well surely the logical thing to do would be to refund all season tickets for the rest of the season as there's only a few home games left and we're down anyway - not worth the hassle even if it were allowed.... and if this stands into next season, then you simply open up a specific number of seats and do it on a ST from previous season have first priority criteria first come, first served, with only those seats that the club has selected available to purchase.... like they used to do for the points system every game (although expect it would never get past ST holders) through the season for years, or you invite all season ticket holders under number XXXX one week and over XXXX the next week. Only socially distant seating allowed regardless of household as that would be too difficult to enforce. The logistics are really not that tricky for this, you just have access to a ticket as ST holder, rather than a specific seat. 

The issues would be (potentially):

Fans turning up outside the stadium - Enforce this by saying those who do so will not be eligible for future tickets. I doubt we'd actually have issues with this anyway, as our fans are pretty well behaved and compliant.

Fans moving from their allocated seat in the stadium to sit with a mate/family - simple no tolerance policy. No kiosks open. Toilets open as with that few fans it's easier for stewards and most people are social distance queueing on a daily basis at the mo so unlikely to be many issues. No loitering in concourse.

It's really not that hard to sort the logistics out for this if that were the path forward. Might be expensive as you'd need similar steward numbers but for less fans, but stewards aren't getting paid loads for doing it - my mate did it at Derby during uni and it was pretty much minimum wage.

Edited June 23, 2020 by kick it off

[city4eva 241]

A smaller crowd has to be better than no crowd, i dont see why the toilets couldnt be opened either, they are open in supermarkets, and I assume they will be open in cinemas

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

Toilets will be open in pubs and restaurants too. 

People were throwing up negatives, myself included, on the resumption of the season. Having got over that the natural progression is to allow limited number of fans in. It's just as safe if not safer than an enclosed eatery or cinema and probably Primark or any supermarket.

[Aggy 944]

17 hours ago, king canary said:

How do you decide who those people are? How do you police entry? How do you spread them out? How do you deal with others who show up?

A few reasons... 

Can’t that be said for everywhere though? It’s surely down to the fans themselves. If you’re in a high risk group, you might decide not to attend large public gatherings - football matches or otherwise.

[Aggy 944]

14 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

An absolute logistical nightmare for the club FF and an absolute army of stewarding will be required to operate it.

Any news on when M&S are opening their toilets ? The ladies were moaning on Sunday in Ramapant Horse Street so what sort of fuss several hundred of them would make at Carrow Road goodness knows. 😜

An absolute logistical nightmare that businesses and organisation around the country (world?) are dealing with. Seems silly to suggest the club shouldn’t be considering opening up the ground so as to receive some source of income because it’s a bit difficult to sort out. 

[king canary 8,736]

9 hours ago, kick it off said:

Fans turning up outside the stadium - Enforce this by saying those who do so will not be eligible for future tickets. I doubt we'd actually have issues with this anyway, as our fans are pretty well behaved and compliant.

How do you ID these fans? Do you need police at the ground? Would the police be happy to be used for this?

 

9 hours ago, kick it off said:

Fans moving from their allocated seat in the stadium to sit with a mate/family - simple no tolerance policy. No kiosks open. Toilets open as with that few fans it's easier for stewards and most people are social distance queueing on a daily basis at the mo so unlikely to be many issues. No loitering in concourse.

Who enforces this? Stewards? How many stewards do you need present to enforce this properly?

Also how do you stagger entry to the ground for 10,000 people? Do they have a designated time slot they have to arrive by?

I do't disagree something will need to be sorted for next season but to say it is 'not that hard' isn't really fair. 

Edited June 24, 2020 by king canary

[Aggy 944]

9 hours ago, kick it off said:

Well surely the logical thing to do would be to refund all season tickets for the rest of the season as there's only a few home games left and we're down anyway - not worth the hassle even if it were allowed.... and if this stands into next season, then you simply open up a specific number of seats and do it on a ST from previous season have first priority criteria first come, first served, with only those seats that the club has selected available to purchase.... like they used to do for the points system every game (although expect it would never get past ST holders) through the season for years, or you invite all season ticket holders under number XXXX one week and over XXXX the next week. Only socially distant seating allowed regardless of household as that would be too difficult to enforce. The logistics are really not that tricky for this, you just have access to a ticket as ST holder, rather than a specific seat. 

The issues would be (potentially):

Fans turning up outside the stadium - Enforce this by saying those who do so will not be eligible for future tickets. I doubt we'd actually have issues with this anyway, as our fans are pretty well behaved and compliant.

Fans moving from their allocated seat in the stadium to sit with a mate/family - simple no tolerance policy. No kiosks open. Toilets open as with that few fans it's easier for stewards and most people are social distance queueing on a daily basis at the mo so unlikely to be many issues. No loitering in concourse.

It's really not that hard to sort the logistics out for this if that were the path forward. Might be expensive as you'd need similar steward numbers but for less fans, but stewards aren't getting paid loads for doing it - my mate did it at Derby during uni and it was pretty much minimum wage.

Agree with all of that. Another issue may be getting people in to the stadium while keeping distanced - but if people are willing to stand in a queue for 40 minutes outside Sainsburys I’m sure they’d do likewise to see some footy!

 

[king canary 8,736]

2 minutes ago, Aggy said:

Agree with all of that. Another issue may be getting people in to the stadium while keeping distanced - but if people are willing to stand in a queue for 40 minutes outside Sainsburys I’m sure they’d do likewise to see some footy!

 

The difference is, you don't have 10,000 people trying to get into Sainsburys at the same time. Much easier to manager a system like that.

[TIL 1010 5,238]

2 minutes ago, king canary said:

The difference is, you don't have 10,000 people trying to get into Sainsburys at the same time. Much easier to manager a system like that.

Plus another 10,000 venting their spleen that they were not able to get a ticket.

Edited June 24, 2020 by TIL 1010

[Aggy 944]

Just now, king canary said:

The difference is, you don't have 10,000 people trying to get into Sainsburys at the same time. Much easier to manager a system like that.

Sainsburys also don’t have multiple entries/turnstiles they can be managing. Surely you know who is allowed in in advance. You get a queuing system sorted in advance. People confirm season ticket number and/or personal id. If you’re not on the list you’re not allowed in - if people know they won’t be allowed in, why are they any more likely to turn up then than they are now? 
 

Inside the ground I don’t think there’d be many issues. People breaking the ru,es when asked to stop could be easily identified (season ticket/personal id as above) and banned from future games.

Of course it isn’t “simple” but it isn’t really that much more difficult than all sorts of businesses are dealing with and managing. Large shopping centres are open - they have systems in place - made many times harder because each individual store tenant needs to be “kept in check” - the centre management there are dealing with much worse than a football stadium.

[ricardo 8,016]

No shouting, no cheering, no singing, no toilets.

No point.

[Clint 221]

Unless we are never allowed to go to the football again, how do the negative nelly’s on here think it will ever be implemented? This virus is going to be with us for a very long time.

Theres talk of other leagues looking to allow some fans in this season and I believe it’s already been stated that they’re hoping to have some fans at the FA cup final.

We will be back in, in some capacity next season with exactly that same problems that we would face now.

I quite honestly do not see any problems that cannot be overcome with a bit of careful planning.

[Nuff Said 5,937]

With a simple every other seat occupied, every other row occupied plan you immediately have 75% of the ground empty, so is it worth employing the number of people required to police that?

 

Let's say you go to matches as a couple. With the seating scheme above, only one of you can go. Are you still going on that basis? Unlikely IMHO, especially if there are complications with the journey (only one of you drives, it's a long journey and you don't want to do it alone...). Or a larger group where the pre/post-match socialising is a key part of the experience. Or you're in one of the high risk groups, or have someone in your household who is, and you're not willing to risk it. Or... There are so many scenarios where fans aren't going to show up to what is already a drastically reduced attendance that it will be a pale shadow of matchday at its best.

 

[FenwayFrank 2,699]

16 minutes ago, king canary said:

The difference is, you don't have 10,000 people trying to get into Sainsburys at the same time. Much easier to manager a system like that.

The gates open 1.5 hours before kick off, plenty of time for 10k to get in 

15 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Plus another 10,000 venting their spleen that they were not able to get a ticket.

They get in next time, the ones that go to the first game stay at home. The club activate and deactivate season tickets for cup games so that isn’t difficult 

[TIL 1010 5,238]

7 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

The gates open 1.5 hours before kick off, plenty of time for 10k to get in 

They get in next time, the ones that go to the first game stay at home. The club activate and deactivate season tickets for cup games so that isn’t difficult 

Activation relates to the seat not the person in possession of the ticket so the logistics are not that simple.

Edited June 24, 2020 by TIL 1010

[FenwayFrank 2,699]

Out of interest, if posters on here had the option to go would you ? I’m a yes