dylanisabaddog 4,876 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Aarons Zimmerman Godfrey Lewis Tetty Emi Duda Cantwell Onel (if fit) Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiery Zac 1,066 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Aarons Godfrey Hanley Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HairyTeeth 16 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Godfrey Zimmermann Klose Aarons Tettey Vrancic Lewis Buendia Pukki Idah 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,876 Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fiery Zac said: Krul Aarons Godfrey Hanley Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki This will probably be the team with Onel on the bench if available. But will DF pick Vrancic to start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 668 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Klose Godfrey Zimmermann Aarons Vrancic Tetty Lewis Emi Cantwell Pukki 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiery Zac 1,066 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, dylanisabaddog said: This will probably be the team with Onel on the bench if available. But will DF pick Vrancic to start? Probably not. I guess he’ll go with McLean which I wouldn’t be unhappy about. Just picked Vrancic to add the slightly more attacking intent we will need to score enough goals to win games and stay up 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HairyTeeth 16 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Aarons Zimmermann Klose Lewis Godfrey Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki Hernandez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,638 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Interesting no one seems to pick Kenny. Do we have an injury update on guys like Onel, Byram etc? I saw that Everton apparently have 4 players ‘likely to be out for the Merseyside derby’ which ought to be helpful to us. Edited June 12, 2020 by Branston Pickle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry53 208 Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: This will probably be the team with Onel on the bench if available. But will DF pick Vrancic to start? So many people including football pundits across our local media are mystified why Mario hasn't featured much this season. He is super talented and deserves to start or play a decent part in a game, not just 5 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry53 said: So many people including football pundits across our local media are mystified why Mario hasn't featured much this season. He is super talented and deserves to start or play a decent part in a game, not just 5 minutes. Agreed, this has been a source of frustration for me. I guess DF has been trying to set up more solidly and doesn't consider Mario up to the job. But, his deadball delivery, range of passing and ability to score has been missed, I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,373 Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Branston Pickle said: Interesting no one seems to pick Kenny. Do we have an injury update on guys like Onel, Byram etc? I saw that Everton apparently have 4 players ‘likely to be out for the Merseyside derby’ which ought to be helpful to us. Byram is the only player not taking part in contact training, so I'd suggest we have near enough a full roster. Wouldn't be surprised to see DF pick exactly the same side as started at Sheff Utd, but if it was me I'd do the following- Krul Aarons Zimmermann Hanley Lewis Tettey McLean Leitner Buendia Cantwell Pukki If we actually want to stay up, there's some key points that need addressing. Having watched the whole season highlights yesterday, the honest truth is Godfrey isn't good enough at the defensive side of the game yet; he has a similarity to Russell Martin in that he's frequently near where the ball is but doesn't do enough to clear or block. Whilst the alternatives aren't clearly better at this level, he's the one that will get sold for the big money in summer and every game & Beckenbauer pass he plays makes our selling position a little stronger. Zimm and Hanley are the most solid pairing we have currently. Bin off the #10 role, it hasn't done us any great benefit this season. 3 in central midfield, all with an engine, and Kenny has a natural tendency to push forward aggressively anyway. Leitner or Vrancic pretty much interchangeable here, the important thing is discipline when it comes to regaining defensive shape when attacks fall down. All of our victories bar Newcastle have come against more dangerous sides and I've put that down to us being more disciplined when we respect the opposition as an attacking threat and attack more prudently. In a lot of games we stream forward with abandon as we did last year, but defensively we aren't compact and the bigger, faster opposition players just run us down after the ball is turned over. I'm all for staying true to our playing identity, but it isn't too much to ask for both. We've already proven we can win games at this level and do it our way, so it's a little strange to me that we still play like the opposition can't hurt us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,138 Posted June 12, 2020 It's nice to get back to real footie conversation such as the debate about Godfrey's best position. I've always tended to prefer seeing him play as a defensive midfielder rather that a central defender but the professionals, especially DF, disagree so I'm wrong. The best we can hope for is that he is at least he is given another try in that role. We have a full complement of central defenders at last after all and Zimbo and Hanley were looking pretty good together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clint 221 Posted June 12, 2020 Krul Aarons Hanley Godfrey (sweeper) Klose Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Pukki Cantwell 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paddycanary 538 Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Branston Pickle said: Interesting no one seems to pick Kenny. Do we have an injury update on guys like Onel, Byram etc? I saw that Everton apparently have 4 players ‘likely to be out for the Merseyside derby’ which ought to be helpful to us. Quite a few leaving Hanley out too. I thought he was consistently solid before the curtailment. He's a starter for me. Don't think Klose will be fired straight back in for the first game back. I have no idea of course, but I don't think there'll be any big surprises in whatever line-up starts. I suspect there has been an emphasis in training on flexibility now that the defenders are available, e.g. changing mid game from 4-2-3-1 to wing-backs, 3 centre-backs etc. Hopefully Byram will be available for selection soon. The only real conundrum is who plays deep alongside Tettey. Leitner seems to be down the pecking order. DF hasn't given Vrancic much pitch time over the season. It's unlikely Godfrey will be thrown into the engine room. Tommy T has looked a little at sea for me at this level. Rupp might sneak in. But it will probably end up being Kenny to start - pragmatism will likely win out. I think we'll see: Krul Aarons Godfrey Hanley Lewis Tettey McLean Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki Duda/Cantwell might make way if the wing-back system is introduced during a game, with the likes of Klose, Drmic, Hernandez, Zimmermann, Byram, Rupp, Vrancic, Stiepermann, Trybull, Leitner & Idah pushing the starters. Hopefully DF has more options now to mix things up & change things around mid-game. Nice to be pondering again! OTBC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christoph Stiepermann 1,131 Posted June 12, 2020 What i'd pick: Krul Aarons Zimmermann Klose Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Stiepermann Hernandez Pukki What i think Farke will pick: Krul Aarons Zimmermann Godfrey Lewis Tettey McLean Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki I would go with what i'd argue was our best 11 from last season and rebuild our season from there, very harsh on Godfrey and Cantwell but I'd want to start as solid and experienced as possible. I just think that team is a great blend of players that compliment each other well and has a little bit of everything. Take out Klose you lose the set piece threat and a clam presence at the back, Vrancic and we lose the ability to score directly from free kicks switch the play effectively and open up the game or launch quick counters, Hernandez and we have no pace or acceleration in forward areas to break the lines and no ability to run at players on the break and Stiepermann gets the best out of Pukki while also providing a lot off the ball and more of a goal threat than our other AM's. I know most of those players have had some pretty poor displays this season, but so has pretty much every other player as well except maybe Krul, looking at the team as a whole that lineup makes the most tactical sense for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All the Germans 1,075 Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Hairy Canary said: Krul Klose Godfrey Zimmermann Aarons Vrancic Tetty Lewis Emi Cantwell Pukki Either the above replacing Tettey with McClean or the below with no changes. 54 minutes ago, Christoph Stiepermann said: Krul Aarons Zimmermann Klose Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Stiepermann Hernandez Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HB1989 27 Posted June 13, 2020 GK Krul LWB Lewis LCB Klose CB Zimbo RCB Godfrey RWB Aarons CM Trybull CM Vrancic AM Buendia AM Cantwell ST Pukki Or GK Krul LB Lewis CB Klose CB Godfrey RB Aarons CM Trybull CM Vrancic AML Cantwell AM Buendia AMR Hernandez ST Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted June 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Christoph Stiepermann said: Take out Klose you lose the set piece threat and a clam presence at the back Agreed, Timm adds a bit of Mussel at the back, the ability to Winkle out a goal at the other end,plus his no nonsense,aerial ability will help when the oppostion Limpet into our box,,,,, of mixed sea food. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 746 Posted June 13, 2020 21 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: Krul Aarons Zimmerman Godfrey Lewis Tetty Emi Duda Cantwell Onel (if fit) Pukki Aside from swapping Zimmermann for Hanley, I’d agree with the rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bates 9 Posted June 13, 2020 I'd play wing backs if we have the full roster of CB's fully fit. .........................Krul...................... Arrons Godfrey Hanley Klose Lewis .......................Tettey..................... Buendia.........McLean..........Cantwell ........................Pukki..................... Subs: McGovern, Zimmermann, Trybull, Vrancic, Hernandez, Duda, Drmic Tough one on Zimmermann but Hanley has been our best CB since his return from injury and Klose is brilliant in a back 5 on the left side. Same as Godfrey for the right side (important to get the ball high up the pitch very quickly when playing wing backs) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,876 Posted June 13, 2020 16 hours ago, paddycanary said: Quite a few leaving Hanley out too. I thought he was consistently solid before the curtailment. He's a starter for me. Don't think Klose will be fired straight back in for the first game back. I have no idea of course, but I don't think there'll be any big surprises in whatever line-up starts. I suspect there has been an emphasis in training on flexibility now that the defenders are available, e.g. changing mid game from 4-2-3-1 to wing-backs, 3 centre-backs etc. Hopefully Byram will be available for selection soon. The only real conundrum is who plays deep alongside Tettey. Leitner seems to be down the pecking order. DF hasn't given Vrancic much pitch time over the season. It's unlikely Godfrey will be thrown into the engine room. Tommy T has looked a little at sea for me at this level. Rupp might sneak in. But it will probably end up being Kenny to start - pragmatism will likely win out. I think we'll see: Krul Aarons Godfrey Hanley Lewis Tettey McLean Buendia Duda Cantwell Pukki Duda/Cantwell might make way if the wing-back system is introduced during a game, with the likes of Klose, Drmic, Hernandez, Zimmermann, Byram, Rupp, Vrancic, Stiepermann, Trybull, Leitner & Idah pushing the starters. Hopefully DF has more options now to mix things up & change things around mid-game. Nice to be pondering again! OTBC I've just realised that I had completely forgotten we had signed Rupp! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,138 Posted June 13, 2020 Yes. At 29 it was clearly a signing for immediate effect. That he failed to effect much might be due to that adjustment factor. Hardly a Naismith-type signing, but did he cost much? Can't recall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 854 Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 3-5-2 Krul Zimm, Hanley, Klose Aarons, Cantwell, Godfrey, McLean, Lewis Buendia, Pukki subs.... Famewo, Vrancic, Idah, Hernandez, Tettey, Drmic, Oxborough or, if Klose not match fit.... 4-4-2 Krul Aarons, Hanley, Zimmerman, Lewis Rupp, Godfrey, McLean, Cantwell Buendia Pukki. subs .... Klose, Vrancic, Idah, Hernandez, Tettey, Drmic, Oxborough Edited June 13, 2020 by ged in the onion bag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted June 13, 2020 Let's not forget with the amount of substitutions allowed now that tactics in a 90 minutes game are going to be on fast forward. Can players adapt to so many changes within the 90 minutes of personnel (upto 5 for each team) and tactics of their own side and also the opposition. Farke will be truly tested as much as our players in his game management. It is an entirely different 90 minutes now. I do favour the wing backs and feel farke wanted to try this in the summer. Krul Godfrey, Hanley or Zimmerman, Klose Aaron's, lewis Tettey, Vrancic Buendia, cantwell Pukki I think drmic and Idah will certainly have a lot of game time. Rupp, mclean, trybull will also get time as great game management subs. Duda and Onel can change the attacking creativity Leitner may have a chance to be a tempo changer if the hatchet is buried between himself and farke The 3 at the back gives us a good headache and think I am happy with all options. It is the changes and farkes tactics to be proactive and reactive that will be interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,092 Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, wcorkcanary said: Agreed, Timm adds a bit of Mussel at the back, the ability to Winkle out a goal at the other end,plus his no nonsense,aerial ability will help when the oppostion Limpet into our box,,,,, of mixed sea food. That’s the second time this morning you’ve posted for me Corkio. I might as well not bother! Personally I think the idea of throwing Klose back in a bit fishy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,092 Posted June 13, 2020 And back on topic, I’m completely in the Hanley camp. It’s no coincidence that once he was back in the team and back to match fitness that we became much more solid at the back. Yes, he might not have the “flair” of the alternatives but if you don’t do the basics right and so give away soft goals, you’re immediately on the back foot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: That’s the second time this morning you’ve posted for me Corkio. I might as well not bother! Personally I think the idea of throwing Klose back in a bit fishy. This will throw Bilious into a frenzy, two posters who share a similar sense of humour and agree with each other, I have a feeling we may be called out as being one and the same Nuffo. 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: And back on topic, I’m completely in the Hanley camp. It’s no coincidence that once he was back in the team and back to match fitness that we became much more solid at the back. Yes, he might not have the “flair” of the alternatives but if you don’t do the basics right and so give away soft goals, you’re immediately on the back foot. This is getting weirder Nuffo, I was not at all convinced by Hanley at first but am now of the opinion that although he doesnt look as comfortable on the ball as say Ben or Timm ....he is a proper stopper type defender, his og v liverpool was a few mm away from being a good block. Such is footy. Would love to see him use his power to crash through on a corner and plant the ball in the oppos net sometime soon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,092 Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, wcorkcanary said: This will throw Bilious into a frenzy, two posters who share a similar sense of humour and agree with each other, I have a feeling we may be called out as being one and the same Nuffo. 😉 Since I have been accused of being Bill in the past, this is starting to feel like a many layered bluff by someone. But who? 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willmeister 35 Posted June 13, 2020 Krul Zimbo Klose Godfrey Aarons Lewis Tettey Vrancic Cantwell Emi Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
