How’s everyone’s VE Day going ?

[Bill 1,788]

Drove over to my village, laid some flowers on the War memorial then spent the rest of the day with my brother - and managed to catch up a couple of the only familiar faces left on the estate. Interesting talk with one whose father was Dutch and based at the Langham airdrome. Met his mother at a dance.

As to the Poles it was them (with the French) who owe a gratitude for the enigma machine - and a couple of excellent squadrons of 'the few; along with the Czechs S Africans, and many others. They also had ships at Day and did other European nations  - likewise soldiers

The Poles were forbidden by Churchill from joining others at the cenotaph in 45 (46?) in case it upset Stalin. No doubt there were some back even then bleating how that was 'political correctness gone mad. Much must have seen mad in late 45/46. Those guarding those of trial at Nuremberg were former SS men. The UK settled a division of former SS soldiers (18,000) here. Meanwhile the Allies used former Japanese soldiers to fight back against local insurgents who had been allies in the fight against the Japanese - but were now not best pleased to find that liberation did not mean self government (shades of Palestine 1918)

For my part there was little to celebrate - but plenty to reflect on. The same hatred and bigotry that led so many to their death has sprung up with a virulence that seems to have infected far more than this virus. A virus that has recently killed so many of that wartime generation. Not ignorance in this case but the wish to ensure tax cuts took priority over healthcare

The same wish that saw so many from the Caribbean treated so badly. And yes, huge numbers served over here for the 'mother country'.  A mindset that sees no wrong in that, nor that of allowing any dodgy Russian to settle into the UK as long as they have a few million - and some of which gets handed to our PM for playing a game of tennis..... so not a bribe then 🤔

Maybe some on here might have used that 2 minute silence to reflect on how far we have slipped back - but a quick check on another thread shows me that the usual suspects with their 'claims' about Britain and similar jingoistic nonsense were too busy spreading their misinformation on a football forum instead .... as with previous Remembrance mornings, some may recall.

Driving back I could not help musing on how words from the early part of the war seemed, with a few tweaks,so appropriate today

Never in the field of human society were so many cowed, by so few

 

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

I spent the day re-writing history.

Seems I wasn't the only one. 

[Bill 1,788]

12 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I spent the day re-writing history.

Seems I wasn't the only one. 

and if in response to my comment on ignorance out pops hand crank

so off you go hand crank

point out one bit of my post that is rewriting history

the floor is yours

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

47 minutes ago, Bill said:

and if in response to my comment on ignorance out pops hand crank

so off you go hand crank

point out one bit of my post that is rewriting history

the floor is yours

Why do you assume I was talking about you?  You are not the only person to have posted on this thread. 

[Bill 1,788]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Why do you assume I was talking about you?  You are not the only person to have posted on this thread. 

a wild stab in the dark, perhaps 😆

but more likely,  that having not posted for over 16 hours you just happen to be passing by around midnight, read my post and replied within minutes

one of those many coincidences that seem to happen to you in regard to my posts 😜

however, lets be generous and all pretend your post was not aimed at me - which I am happy for you to confirm..... and tell us which post (s) it was in reply to

[FenwayFrank 2,459]

8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I spent the day re-writing history.

Seems I wasn't the only one. 

We didn’t get relegated?

[A Load of Squit 5,162]

9 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I spent the day re-writing history.

Seems I wasn't the only one. 

The idiot poster who believes the Nazis were socialists complains about people re-writing history. 🤣

[Herman 9,763]

12 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

Any American will say that they “ saved “ us in WW2, I even had it said to me checking in at an airport in the US. I pointed out that the war started in 1939, not 1941, he didn’t seem to take it very well 😁

An old and well repeated adage from the German side of things.

"When the British fired the Germans ducked.

When the Germans fired the British ducked.

When the Americans fired everyone ducked."

Joking aside all due respect to all the brave people from around the world that fought as allies against a real evil.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,023]

20 minutes ago, Herman said:

An old and well repeated adage from the German side of things.

"When the British fired the Germans ducked.

When the Germans fired the British ducked.

When the Americans fired everyone ducked."

Joking aside all due respect to all the brave people from around the world that fought as allies against a real evil.

As a kid my Dad lived at Rackheath, not far from the airfield where the USAAF flew B-24 Liberators, at the bottom of their garden they had a gun emplacement, when the Americans were returning from one particular air raid the Germans followed them in to have a go at the airfield, my Dad remembers this gun opening up and shooting indiscriminately into the dark at anything in the air that moved!!.........

[Bill 1,788]

seems someone else sees it as I do

[PurpleCanary 5,558]

12 hours ago, vos said:

Purple. It was only when I caught a news item today that I realised who many people the Soviets had lost. In addition to your figures a further 16m civilians died which included the death camps etc. Our comparative figs are 453k military and 67k civilians. On VE Day I was only six and was under the impression that it was only us plus a few Yanks who sorted out the Nazis. Of course we had no radio etc. I am as pro-British as anyone, and my father volunteered for the Army, and we had many brave young men. But overall our leaders more or less got it right i.e. objectives v loss of life. To be brutally honest you can perhaps understand why the Soviets were difficult to deal with at the end of the War. Sadly they were, and still are, a very ruthless bunch to live with.

Vos, about 800,000 civilians died in the siege of Leningrad alone. One of the knock-on aspects of the Soviet death toll, military and civilian, was that Stalin used it to press for an invasion of western Europe before the Allies were ready. He complained, with some justification, that the Soviet Union was doing all the fighting, and at enormous cost.

So although there were questions about the morality and the military effectivesness of massive 'area' bombing raids (ie, those just aimed at towns rather than specific strategic targets) that was what the RAF and the USAF intensified, in part so Churchill could look Stalin in the face and say the Allies were doing something.

[dylanisabaddog 4,921]

16 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

That’s shameful, I lived with Polish people for 3/4 years and have very happy memories apart from trying beetroot soup.

All Polish soup is disgusting. And I'd recommend politely declining invitations to Christmas Eve dinner. Beetroot soup followed by by carp......

[Bill 1,788]

4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

All Polish soup is disgusting. And I'd recommend politely declining invitations to Christmas Eve dinner. Beetroot soup followed by by carp......

that's just you trying to be more knowledgable about Poland than others on here

 a case of

 

 

.....Polier than thou

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Cracking weather down here in Cornwall today so we will have our celebration today. Otherwise its a waste of the thirty or so wartime songs I downloaded. Mrs KG may well dress up and tried to get me to go up in the loft to wear some of my sons military clothes. 

Two reasons why I won't. I never joined the armed services and never had a desire to. So I will not pretend I did by wearing the clothing. And secondly, I don't think it would fit anyway.

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

4 hours ago, Bill said:

a wild stab in the dark, perhaps 😆

but more likely,  that having not posted for over 16 hours you just happen to be passing by around midnight, read my post and replied within minutes

one of those many coincidences that seem to happen to you in regard to my posts 😜

however, lets be generous and all pretend your post was not aimed at me - which I am happy for you to confirm..... and tell us which post (s) it was in reply to

Well let this be a lesson to you that this forum isn't all about you. Now run along and.play nicely. 

[Bill 1,788]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Well let this be a lesson to you that this forum isn't all about you. Now run along and.play nicely. 

caught lying...again

and this is best you can come up with ?

🤪

[TIL 1010 4,746]

I wish i could have jumped in my car to go and visit relatives. I must have misunderstood the advice about only leaving the house if absolutely necessary or for shopping or exercise.

[Bill 1,788]

11 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

I wish i could have jumped in my car to go and visit relatives. I must have misunderstood the advice about only leaving the house if absolutely necessary or for shopping or exercise.

and who determines what is absolutely necessary and no one I spoke to were closer than six feet

and given your weight I wouldn't advice jumping in your car

as it's most likely the suspension might collapse 🐘

[Midlands Yellow 3,981]

10 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

All Polish soup is disgusting. And I'd recommend politely declining invitations to Christmas Eve dinner. Beetroot soup followed by by carp......

Too late, I got cornered a few times on Christmas Eve for the beet soup and fish. Lots of coconut cakes after and cabbage on the boil for a few days running. 

[Mello Yello 2,291]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

and who determines what is absolutely necessary and no one I spoke to were closer than six feet

and given your weight I wouldn't advice jumping in your car

as it's most likely the suspension might collapse 🐘

Billusions of grandeur.....

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

11 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

All Polish soup is disgusting. And I'd recommend politely declining invitations to Christmas Eve dinner. Beetroot soup followed by by carp......

Theres  loads of  eastern European  families round here and last christmas I noticed the fishmonger had carp ' out back' , we got talking and  all the fish he  had were pre ordered  but this year there'll be one for me.  Kinda curious. It's illegal to kill carp here for eating . These  are bred for eating in Hungary I believe. Anyway  I'll  know next Christmas.  Is beetroot  soup like borscht? I like that . Had beetroot and pomegranate  dip tonight actually, was treated to a takeaway  from a Michelin starred chef.  Have to say  the boy can cook. Was also given a book called ' There's  an  Egg in my soup" about a young fella who goes teaching English in Poland , interesting  read.

[TIL 1010 4,746]

3 hours ago, Bill said:

and who determines what is absolutely necessary and no one I spoke to were closer than six feet

 

Irrespective of social distancing you determined that your trip was absolutely necessary but i suggest you are in a very small minority on that one. My contact with my daughter who lives about two miles away and my brother who lives even closer since the lockdown has been confined to phone calls and social media as much as i would love to see them in person. Maybe i take my responsibilities to help fight this crisis too seriously ? Protect the NHS.

Edited May 9, 2020 by TIL 1010

[Van wink 2,994]

25 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Irrespective of social distancing you determined that your trip was absolutely necessary but i suggest you are in a very small minority on that one. My contact with my daughter who lives about two miles away and my brother who lives even closer since the lockdown has been confined to phone calls and social media as much as i would love to see them in person. Maybe i take my responsibilities to help fight this crisis too seriously ? Protect the NHS.

People that flaunt the regulations make my blood boil. 

[SHRIMPER 328]

1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Theres  loads of  eastern European  families round here and last christmas I noticed the fishmonger had carp ' out back' , we got talking and  all the fish he  had were pre ordered  but this year there'll be one for me.  Kinda curious. It's illegal to kill carp here for eating . These  are bred for eating in Hungary I believe. Anyway  I'll  know next Christmas.  Is beetroot  soup like borscht? I like that . Had beetroot and pomegranate  dip tonight actually, was treated to a takeaway  from a Michelin starred chef.  Have to say  the boy can cook. Was also given a book called ' There's  an  Egg in my soup" about a young fella who goes teaching English in Poland , interesting  read.

These are the regs on taking fish from rivers in East Anglia.

Pike is a brilliant fish to eat and I have many times. Have only eaten Carp in China...it was terrible eating.

• Post published:July 10, 2018
• Post Category:Beginner

 

Can I keep fish that I catch?

In the UK, Coarse fishing is the most widely participated type of fishing. Coarse fishing, known as freshwater fishing outside of the UK, is a type of fishing whereby anglers catch and release the fish they catch.

While Coarse fishing is widely accepted as being ‘catch and release’, there are certain circumstances in which you can keep some types fish that are of a specific size.

In this article I’ll look at the types of fish you are allowed to keep and from what waters you’re allowed to keep them.

The laws not only differ in different countries of the UK, but also different regions of each country.

Fishing laws in the UK are quite comprehensive, below is information which is only relevant to the fish you can or cannot keep; you should ALWAYS familiarise yourself with all the national and regional fishing laws before fishing any waters.

Salmon and Trout fishing generally has different byelaws to Coarse fishing. I may touch on Salmon and Trout fishing in the article, but you should seek further clarification within each regional Byelaw.

*Always check for updates to the byelaws*

 

England - Regional Environment Agency Byelaws

In England the Environment Agency Statutory Rod Fishing Byelaws are there to protect fish stocks. These byelaws, or rules by any other name, apply to all waters in England, irrelevant of whether the water is privately owned, owned by local angling clubs or owned by local councils.

Owners of waters, i.e. private, council or angling clubs; can impose more stringent rules, but at a minimum, the byelaws must apply. Anyone failing to comply with the byelaws are likely to face prosecution and a fine of up to £50,000.

Regional byelaws are set out for six regions of England:

Anglian Region

On rivers, you may take no more than:

• one Pike of less than 65 cm per day
• two Grayling of between 30 and 38 cm per day
• a total of fifteen Barbel, Chub, Common Bream, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Dace, Perch, Pike, Roach, Rudd, Silver Bream, Smelt or Tench (including any hybrids of these species) of less than 20cm per day.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

20 minutes ago, SHRIMPER said:

These are the regs on taking fish from rivers in East Anglia.

Pike is a brilliant fish to eat and I have many times. Have only eaten Carp in China...it was terrible eating.

• Post published:July 10, 2018
• Post Category:Beginner

 

Can I keep fish that I catch?

In the UK, Coarse fishing is the most widely participated type of fishing. Coarse fishing, known as freshwater fishing outside of the UK, is a type of fishing whereby anglers catch and release the fish they catch.

While Coarse fishing is widely accepted as being ‘catch and release’, there are certain circumstances in which you can keep some types fish that are of a specific size.

In this article I’ll look at the types of fish you are allowed to keep and from what waters you’re allowed to keep them.

The laws not only differ in different countries of the UK, but also different regions of each country.

Fishing laws in the UK are quite comprehensive, below is information which is only relevant to the fish you can or cannot keep; you should ALWAYS familiarise yourself with all the national and regional fishing laws before fishing any waters.

Salmon and Trout fishing generally has different byelaws to Coarse fishing. I may touch on Salmon and Trout fishing in the article, but you should seek further clarification within each regional Byelaw.

*Always check for updates to the byelaws*

 

England - Regional Environment Agency Byelaws

In England the Environment Agency Statutory Rod Fishing Byelaws are there to protect fish stocks. These byelaws, or rules by any other name, apply to all waters in England, irrelevant of whether the water is privately owned, owned by local angling clubs or owned by local councils.

Owners of waters, i.e. private, council or angling clubs; can impose more stringent rules, but at a minimum, the byelaws must apply. Anyone failing to comply with the byelaws are likely to face prosecution and a fine of up to £50,000.

Regional byelaws are set out for six regions of England:

Anglian Region

On rivers, you may take no more than:

• one Pike of less than 65 cm per day
• two Grayling of between 30 and 38 cm per day
• a total of fifteen Barbel, Chub, Common Bream, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Dace, Perch, Pike, Roach, Rudd, Silver Bream, Smelt or Tench (including any hybrids of these species) of less than 20cm per day.

Cheers, I've worked as a water keeper on a Salmon River and have been a keen angler  for over 40 years , so fairly aware to check local regs👍

[SHRIMPER 328]

You said.... It's illegal to kill carp here for eating . Wrong. And I have been a fisherman for over 70 years, but what does that prove. Nothing. Its knowing the law that count.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

3 minutes ago, SHRIMPER said:

You said.... It's illegal to kill carp here for eating . Wrong. And I have been a fisherman for over 70 years, but what does that prove. Nothing. Its knowing the law that count.

I live  in Ireland.  The laws are different  here.  Pike  under 50 cm etc. But not other coarse fish. 👍

[Bill 1,788]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Irrespective of social distancing you determined that your trip was absolutely necessary but i suggest you are in a very small minority on that one. My contact with my daughter who lives about two miles away and my brother who lives even closer since the lockdown has been confined to phone calls and social media as much as i would love to see them in person. Maybe i take my responsibilities to help fight this crisis too seriously ? Protect the NHS.

Explain in what way was I endangering mine or anyone else's health

[SHRIMPER 328]

I think you need to take another look at the rules. Irish fishing regs in part.

Bye-law number 809  deals with the conservation of pike and number 806  with other coarse fish species.

Neither law totally bans the killing of fish, but they do restrict and regulate the number and size of fish that may be killed.

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

2 hours ago, wcorkcanary said:

Cheers, I've worked as a water keeper on a Salmon River and have been a keen angler  for over 40 years , so fairly aware to check local regs👍

Carp has a muddy, fairly unpleasant taste. Not a fish that one would want to eat, imo.