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Snodgrass continues to be a complete whinger!

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Snodgrass was a whinger on the wing In yellow and green and he continues to be the biggest whinger! Just like many spoilt footballers and mainly ex-footballer spokesman , slamming Hancock for picking on footballers to cut their salaries, they continue to lack perspective. First Hancock just responded to a direct press question, he did not raise it, the manipulative, increasingly imbecilic journalists did and then exploited his answer. I am no fan of Hancock but the guy deserves a break, he has rather a lot on his plate currently. All these current and more particular past footballers are acting in a childish, playground way, “ boo he called me a name” . Yes in normal circumstances he could have said footballers and other privileged people should dig deep, but I for one let him off this, get on with focusing on what is important, not worrying about inflated ego’s 

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What was the direct question to Hancock?
 

Fairly sure when I read it it wasn’t all that direct and he could have easily answered it differently had he wished (as I’m sure he would have done if the question was about directors in large businesses who earn as much or more than footballers).

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He wants 'respect' for not being a tax evader.

Nah, got respect for those out on the frontline right now. 

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Snodgrass. Hmmm. 

So the players pay tax...so do we all who work for a living and many of us are taking a financial hit. 

So players have pledged voluntary payments to help, but what proportion of wages are they really going to give is not clear and is unlikely to be a huge proportion of their wages.  Norwich  players (and management) have pledged £200,000....now our first team squad of 25 players has a yearly salary as a group of £25m plus - and £200,000 as a percentage of £25m is less than 1% of the yearly salary.  Now the contribution is of course welcome and praiseworthy, but lets not pretend that collectively the players here and anywhere else are likely to be making a big sacrifice or making any huge contribution overall compared to the amount they earn, so for Snodgrass to mention what players are doing is akin to someone who gives a small amount to charity and then starts acting like it's a big thing.  Give money by all means, the more people give the better, but using it as a stick is shallow to say the least. Its not really for me to comment on who is giving what, as some will give more and some will give less, but if you give something, best you can do is not say anything that will invite trouble.

So it's great that players and those higher up in football clubs are contributing, but what has been talked about is a possible 30% wage  reduction.  Even 10% would be brilliant imo, a meaningful and obvious real reduction in rich footballers' wages, unlikely to affect them very much and yet demonstrate a real response to the crisis and the fact they aren't doing anything on the pitch probably for several months to warrant getting full salary.

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35 minutes ago, Aggy said:

.......(as I’m sure he would have done if the question was about directors in large businesses who earn as much or more than footballers).

Absolutely no evidence for this. A statement that merely reflects your left-centric political viewpoint. 

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17 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Absolutely no evidence for this. A statement that merely reflects your left-centric political viewpoint. 

Err... yes?

To summarise, what you’re saying is that my post giving my opinion about what I think somebody might have said had they been asked a different question, is in fact reflective of my opinion? 
 

Who would have thought.
 

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30 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Absolutely no evidence for this. A statement that merely reflects your left-centric political viewpoint. 

Here's a thought Crafty - when Hancock was asked a question about footballers he could have responded by saying something like: "At times like this I would hope that highly paid footballers and all others in society who earn very large salaries and have great wealth would be contributing to help the NHS." 

He didn't say that though did he? Why do you think that is? 

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33 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Absolutely no evidence for this. A statement that merely reflects your left-centric political viewpoint. 

Also, please expand on this statement. Hancock’s comments about footballers were “left wing” (rich people help out those less well off by giving up your hard earned money for the communal good), and I was criticising his comments. 

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And, asked if it was right that Premier League footballers remain on full pay, Hancock called for them to take a pay cut. "Given the sacrifices that many people are making – including some of my colleagues in the NHS who have made the ultimate sacrifice of going into work and have caught the disease and have sadly died – I think the first thing that Premier League footballers can do is make a contribution, take a pay cut and play their part.”

I suppose he could have cut to the chase and answered No but I cannot see where he did anything other than answer the question. He also gave his opinions in response to other questions at the same briefing.

I am a Socialist and wish he wasn't Health Secretary but I cannot criticise for giving his opinion which I would estimate got the thumbs up from the majority of the population. For every person who likes football I bet there at least two who don't.

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But how would footballers be making a contribution to the effort by taking a paycut? Now a good contribution would be if said footballers were to give back to their communities (oh hang on they already do, and have done so again). Given the current financial situation I would however guess that what may be a contribution would be for MP's to take a pay cut or fund out of their own pocket the need for their office staff to work from home, not use up to £10,000 of tax payers money. I doubt though that Hancock will be making a statement to this effect. 

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After Matt Hancock asks Premier League footballers to donate their wages to help fight coronavirus, some wonder if he should ask the UK’s hedge fund owners, tax-dodging FTSE 100 companies and non-domiciled Russian oligarchs to do the same.

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4 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Here's a thought Crafty - when Hancock was asked a question about footballers he could have responded by saying something like: "At times like this I would hope that highly paid footballers and all others in society who earn very large salaries and have great wealth would be contributing to help the NHS." 

He didn't say that though did he? Why do you think that is? 

Thirsty Lizard - I then a bit of empathy is called for, I am no fan of Hancock, but he’s heavily involved in trying to manage the biggest health crisis this country has seen in over 100 years, under immense pressure. I think it’s quite understandable that he didn’t quite manage the perfect response to a question about an extremely privileged group of footballers who in the main have inflated ego’s , not really a priority is it?

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2 hours ago, howzer14 said:

But how would footballers be making a contribution to the effort by taking a paycut? Now a good contribution would be if said footballers were to give back to their communities (oh hang on they already do, and have done so again). Given the current financial situation I would however guess that what may be a contribution would be for MP's to take a pay cut or fund out of their own pocket the need for their office staff to work from home, not use up to £10,000 of tax payers money. I doubt though that Hancock will be making a statement to this effect. 

What a load of cr-p , MP’s are paid 81k a year, a lot of premier league footballers exceed that a week, come on let’s get real! 

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2 minutes ago, Rhino1 said:

Thirsty Lizard - I then a bit of empathy is called for, I am no fan of Hancock, but he’s heavily involved in trying to manage the biggest health crisis this country has seen in over 100 years, under immense pressure. I think it’s quite understandable that he didn’t quite manage the perfect response to a question about an extremely privileged group of footballers who in the main have inflated ego’s , not really a priority is it?

Under immense pressure and recently recovered from a life threatening illness. 

Perhaps someone should have asked him about other groups as well. Perhaps he would have asked them to pull their weight too

 

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2 minutes ago, Rhino1 said:

What a load of cr-p , MP’s are paid 81k a year, a lot of premier league footballers exceed that a week, come on let’s get real! 

And MPs are probably working as hard now as they ever have.

Footballers are not....

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21 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Under immense pressure and recently recovered from a life threatening illness. 

Perhaps someone should have asked him about other groups as well. Perhaps he would have asked them to pull their weight too

 

Hedge fund managers, city traders and investment bankers etc are largely white middle aged men - the sort of people who Hancock went to school with and who tend to support the Conservative party (including in some cases donating large sums to them).

Professional footballers tend to be working class - and black players make up a disproportionately large number of them when compared to society itself. 

Hancock remained silent on the former group and had a go at the latter group. 

I dreamt up the reply which he could have given in about two seconds sitting at my computer. In my opinion if you think that it wasn't an entirely deliberate attempt to deflect from the government's (mis)handling of the crisis you're incredibly naive. 

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32 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Under immense pressure and recently recovered from a life threatening illness. 

Perhaps someone should have asked him about other groups as well. Perhaps he would have asked them to pull their weight too

 

Oh - and btw - Hancock has had over six days since that press conference to clarify that he thinks investment bankers, city traders, hedge fund managers and the like should be doing their bit too................................... surprisingly we're still waiting............

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2 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Hedge fund managers, city traders and investment bankers etc are largely white middle aged men - the sort of people who Hancock went to school with and who tend to support the Conservative party (including in some cases donating large sums to them).

Professional footballers tend to be working class - and black players make up a disproportionately large number of them when compared to society itself. 

Hancock remained silent on the former group and had a go at the latter group. 

I dreamt up the reply which he could have given in about two seconds sitting at my computer. In my opinion if you think that it wasn't an entirely deliberate attempt to deflect from the government's (mis)handling of the crisis you're incredibly naive. 

He could have said all sorts. I’m also fairly sure (although my memory might be playing tricks) that the question was worded in such a way that he could easily have given a ‘diplomatic’ response had he wanted to. Even had he just said something like “it’s going to be difficult for everyone and we’ll all need to be in it together” it wouldn’t have been controversial. Or something like he hopes the players and clubs can have constructive discussions to help protect jobs. 

Instead, he chose to list out examples of people in the NHS, use emotive language such as “sacrifices” and then specifically refer to footballers “taking a pay cut and playing their part” . Why is taking a pay cut linked to playing their part? Why not donating their salary to charity?

As you say Thirsty, no comments on anybody else in the week since - and there are plenty of people earning a million quid a year, many of whom have a career much longer than a footballer’s 10-15 years.
 

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9 hours ago, lappinitup said:

I still miss him. 😥

Not as much as I miss Dorrans sweeping down the left wing.🤭👍

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1 minute ago, Badger said:

If we want to enjoy a little moral outrage, perhaps Hancock should be asked about Hege funds and those in the City that are profiteering from the crisis?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/09/hedge-funds-raking-in-billions-during-coronavirus-crisis

 

or 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-expenses-coronavirus-ten-thousand-working-from-home-costs-ipsa-a9457566.html

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On 10 April 2020 at 07:56, lappinitup said:

I still miss him. 😥

I still have'nt forgiven him for missing 'that' penalty........ Probably never will.

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On 09/04/2020 at 18:53, keelansgrandad said:

And, asked if it was right that Premier League footballers remain on full pay, Hancock called for them to take a pay cut. "Given the sacrifices that many people are making – including some of my colleagues in the NHS who have made the ultimate sacrifice of going into work and have caught the disease and have sadly died – I think the first thing that Premier League footballers can do is make a contribution, take a pay cut and play their part.”

I suppose he could have cut to the chase and answered No but I cannot see where he did anything other than answer the question. He also gave his opinions in response to other questions at the same briefing.

I am a Socialist and wish he wasn't Health Secretary but I cannot criticise for giving his opinion which I would estimate got the thumbs up from the majority of the population. For every person who likes football I bet there at least two who don't.

The worst part of that statement is Hancock describing people who work in the NHS as his 'colleagues'.

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On 09/04/2020 at 23:27, Thirsty Lizard said:

Hedge fund managers, city traders and investment bankers etc are largely white middle aged men - the sort of people who Hancock went to school with and who tend to support the Conservative party (including in some cases donating large sums to them).

Professional footballers tend to be working class - and black players make up a disproportionately large number of them when compared to society itself. 

Hancock remained silent on the former group and had a go at the latter group. 

I dreamt up the reply which he could have given in about two seconds sitting at my computer. In my opinion if you think that it wasn't an entirely deliberate attempt to deflect from the government's (mis)handling of the crisis you're incredibly naive. 

The people you mentioned would be on performance related pay and would therefore be on reduced income already. And while some might take perverse glee in a falling stockmarket, remember that is your pension

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2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

The worst part of that statement is Hancock describing people who work in the NHS as his 'colleagues'.

Cheap shot. 

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