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I can't see an enlarged EPL. Why because who would be promoted ? We all hear of Leeds and West Brom but they aren't home and dry (already beyond catching) in the Chumps.

No. All leagues null and void.

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1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

I can't see an enlarged EPL. Why because who would be promoted ? We all hear of Leeds and West Brom but they aren't home and dry (already beyond catching) in the Chumps.

No. All leagues null and void.

Exactly this. Any talk of promoting Leeds and West Brom is ludicrous when they haven’t earned that right throughout a completed season. Nothing has been completed and many variables can still take place. Null and Void is the only option if the season can’t be completed imo 

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16 minutes ago, Darth Canary1 said:

I thought the bottom team got like a 100 million or something stupid. We have had a year of paying our players premier league wages albeit likely low wages in comparison to everyone else.

We will get that in any event or the pro rata amount. What is being discussed is the prize money for position.

IMO this money should be used to help the struggling teams in the lower divisions(excluding 1p5wich of course)

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6 minutes ago, JF said:

Exactly this. Any talk of promoting Leeds and West Brom is ludicrous when they haven’t earned that right throughout a completed season. Nothing has been completed and many variables can still take place. Null and Void is the only option if the season can’t be completed imo 

But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve.

Who else would object?

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3 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve.

Who else would object?

It won't  be up to them and they will have no say in it. This would need the Premier League to agree, which seems improbable to say the least. Voiding seems like a more logical idea.

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But if no one is relegated does that mean more teams promoted up in each EFL? Otherwise the championship will be down two teams? So would Oxford & Pompey go up with Covvy and Rotherham? With five teams relegated the following season too?

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8 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve.

Who else would object?

Every team in the PL that wouldn’t want increased amount of fixtures and wouldn’t want  to lose PL money by having to share it with two extra teams. All the championship teams down to a position where they could mathematically catch them. Fulham are 6 points behind with 6 games to play and one of those is against West Brom. If the season can’t be completed then it gets cancelled imo 

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Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess  as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so .

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4 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess  as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so .

Exactly. And also maybe Leeds achievements this season should be recognised. They had a fantastic season and looked certain to be prompted only to have it snatched away from them. We’ll call it the de ja vue cup 

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1 hour ago, Pugin said:

Just a couple of points:

First, we are not going to see any disputes regarding a voided season being resolved in the High Court. The correct forum for any such dispute would be the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS).  The CAS exists for resolution of sports-related disputes. It is designed to be more conciliatory / less adversarial, cheaper and quicker than recourse through the legal system.

Not so, as dispotes would be commercial not about interpretation of laws and regulation within a particular sport.

What will be of concern here is sponsorship deals, shareholder rights within the PL, player contracts, TV rights etc

To void the seasons and 'start again' would seem the most likely course. One which removes an cry of unfair or bias.

But the logic is that it was someething outside of anyone's hands (responsibility) so no one should be treated differently.

And as far as PL prize money perhaps some should be used to help out lower league clubs as the funds needed there are peanuts to what sloshes about in the PL

And I'm sure City fans would be more than willing to assist our impoverished neighbours - maybe a blanket collection in our cup game with Man Utd..... next Sunday

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8 minutes ago, JF said:

Exactly. And also maybe Leeds achievements this season should be recognised. They had a fantastic season and looked certain to be prompted only to have it snatched away from them. We’ll call it the de ja vue cup 

oh dear

Liverpool spending the next 45 years as Waccoe II

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WACCOC

We Are Champions, Champions Of the Championship

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

Not so, as dispotes would be commercial not about interpretation of laws and regulation within a particular sport.

What will be of concern here is sponsorship deals, shareholder rights within the PL, player contracts, TV rights etc

To void the seasons and 'start again' would seem the most likely course. One which removes an cry of unfair or bias.

But the logic is that it was someething outside of anyone's hands (responsibility) so no one should be treated differently.

And as far as PL prize money perhaps some should be used to help out lower league clubs as the funds needed there are peanuts to what sloshes about in the PL

And I'm sure City fans would be more than willing to assist our impoverished neighbours - maybe a blanket collection in our cup game with Man Utd..... next Sunday

No mate, 'wronged' parties would be able to bring separate actions against those that they thought had failed to satisfy contractual terms for as long as statute allows, but the big question of voiding the league programme will be a matter for CAS if it cannot be agreed without arbitration.

edit - but of course there is no need to think that the  EPL clubs cannot agree a solution without arbitration

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1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess  as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so .

"And we hereby announce that the mighty Liverpool FC have won the inaugural YDWTPL (you didn't win the Premier League) cup......"

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7 minutes ago, Mr.Carrow said:

"And we hereby announce that the mighty Liverpool FC have won the inaugural YDWTPL (you didn't win the Premier League) cup......"

Exactly!!😂

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If the season is declared null and void ,poor ipswitch town might take legal action and say they had a realistic chance of automatic promotion lol . 😄

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Well I'm just casting my mind back to all those years ago when we were barred from taking up our European spot when English clubs were banned because of the action of Liverpool fans and I'm thinking about the fairness of that and how karma can be a ****. Liverpool will just have to suck it up the same as we had to.

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3 hours ago, sonyc said:

WACCOC

We Are Champions, Champions Of the Championship

If the season is null and void we'll still be the Championship champions going into the following season.... Not Leeds 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

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If this season is voided and heaven forbid we were relegated next season, would we then qualify for 3 years of parachute payments and not just 2 🙂 

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4 hours ago, Surfer said:

If this season is voided and heaven forbid we were relegated next season, would we then qualify for 3 years of parachute payments and not just 2 🙂 

No. I would think that a void season means it's treated as if it never happened. Therefore next season will be our first in the Premier League for parachute purposes 

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14 hours ago, Indy said:

But if no one is relegated does that mean more teams promoted up in each EFL? Otherwise the championship will be down two teams? So would Oxford & Pompey go up with Covvy and Rotherham? With five teams relegated the following season too?

If two go up to the prem and zero were relegated, surely it would only require two teams to go up from league one to replace who has left the champs

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3 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

No. I would think that a void season means it's treated as if it never happened. Therefore next season will be our first in the Premier League for parachute purposes 

In which case do the likes of Sunderland get another year of PP while the others get another year added to theirs?

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