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I wonder what effect voiding the season will have on the TV deals   will the TV companies still pay even though there are no games? This will have a knock-on effect on income and salaries still have to be met. Could put a lot of clubs in trouble

 

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4 hours ago, Darth Vadis said:

Declare null & void. Promote Leeds and West Brom and have 5 teams relegated next season, no? Surely it's the fairest way?

Carry it on down the lower leagues to make the numbers for each league.

Do you write for The Telegraph?

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The best suggestion I have heard re:relegation and promotion from PL- Chumps is to make next season's PL22 club strong. Then have 4/5 relegation places.

Of course this will create problems RE: fixture cluster.

But you cannot possible relegate clubs from the PL until they have finished their season if they still have a chance of survival. Neither can you deny Leeds and WBA, who are runaway leaders in the Championship atm, their season.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

The best suggestion I have heard re:relegation and promotion from PL- Chumps is to make next season's PL22 club strong. Then have 4/5 relegation places.

Of course this will create problems RE: fixture cluster.

But you cannot possible relegate clubs from the PL until they have finished their season if they still have a chance of survival. Neither can you deny Leeds and WBA, who are runaway leaders in the Championship atm, their season.

 

 

At the moment all teams down to Forest in 5th could legitimately claim they may win their last 9 games and finish in the top 2. We did something similar in our run in during the season that Martin O'Neil joined us. 

You simply cannot promote or relegate teams based on assumed results. 

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For what it's worth I think things won't start up again for a very very long time. Even when the worst of the pandemic has passed there will need to be a pre-season type of window to get players back up to speed.

The 2020-2021 season will be cancelled and the current season will be stretched out until July 2021. 

The contract situation will complicate this hugely but something will be arranged.

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30 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

At the moment all teams down to Forest in 5th could legitimately claim they may win their last 9 games and finish in the top 2. We did something similar in our run in during the season that Martin O'Neil joined us. 

You simply cannot promote or relegate teams based on assumed results. 

There is no correct solution.Nothing will be entirely fair.

But the best possible solution in an unprecedented situation need be found.

Edited by BroadstairsR

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Rule season null and void. Say about 50-60% of overall Prize money pot divided  in equal amounts to all EPL clubs with remainder shared out to lower leagues or something around this arrangement and start a fresh next season as at this stage nothing has been determined regarding promotion or relegation

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7 hours ago, sgncfc said:

I am prepared to bet quite a lot of money that it's not. UEFA will cancel the Euro's and allow domestic leagues to finish in June/July. Start next season a couple of weeks late and cancel the winter break. Might have to play two games a week but it gets it done.

No relegation reprieve for us unless we earn it - and rightly so.

Do you think this will be over by June?

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1 hour ago, BroadstairsR said:

The best suggestion I have heard re:relegation and promotion from PL- Chumps is to make next season's PL22 club strong. Then have 4/5 relegation places.

Of course this will create problems RE: fixture cluster.

But you cannot possible relegate clubs from the PL until they have finished their season if they still have a chance of survival. Neither can you deny Leeds and WBA, who are runaway leaders in the Championship atm, their season.

 

 

But they are not “”run away” leaders. Fulham are 6 points behind and still have West Brom to play

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34 minutes ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

For what it's worth I think things won't start up again for a very very long time. Even when the worst of the pandemic has passed there will need to be a pre-season type of window to get players back up to speed.

The 2020-2021 season will be cancelled and the current season will be stretched out until July 2021. 

The contract situation will complicate this hugely but something will be arranged.

Nothing can be arranged regarding contracts. Some players will have already signed pre contracts for June, others will expire. Clubs won’t renew contracts not knowing what league they will be in. Every club would have to have the exact same squad for the season to complete. There is no way this season will be extended through into the summer. If this season can’t be completed then a solution needs to be found and the only obvious one is null and void as harsh as that is on the championship teams 

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12 minutes ago, JF said:

But they are not “”run away” leaders. Fulham are 6 points behind and still have West Brom to play

Admittedly but what is your solution?

 

Nothing will be entirely fair.

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6 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

Admittedly but what is your solution?

 

Nothing will be entirely fair.

There is no fair solution. The PL clubs will declare relegation null and void and vote to award Liverpool the champions. The PL clubs will not want a 22 team league and have to share the revenue with extra clubs 

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7 minutes ago, JF said:

There is no fair solution. The PL clubs will declare relegation null and void and vote to award Liverpool the champions. The PL clubs will not want a 22 team league and have to share the revenue with extra clubs 

Probably near what will eventually happen.

Hopefully they also vote to reduce the prize money and send it to the EFL to compensate smaller clubs.

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5 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

I still wouldn’t be surprised if they try to relegate us and give Leeds our place

Legal challenge would then prevent any kick off for years.

Its not going to happen.

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8 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Probably near what will eventually happen.

Hopefully they also vote to reduce the prize money and send it to the EFL to compensate smaller clubs.

This is the fairest thing to do.

I'm not even convinced the league will restart in August - possibly mid to late autumn.

Yes it suits us Canaries but as somebody said - we deserve a break (call it karma) for missing out on all those lucrative European games we won entry to in the 80's when the UK was banned due to largely others crowd behaviour (Leeds?). I will treat it as recompense.

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Just now, Yellow Fever said:

This is the fairest thing to do.

I'm not even convinced the league will restart in August - possibly mid to late autumn.

Yes it suits us Canaries but as somebody said - we deserve a break (call it karma) for missing out on all those lucrative European games we won entry to in the 80's whe the UK was banned due to largely others crowd behaviour (Leeds?). I will treat it as recompense.

Liverpool fans through the Heysal stadium disaster 

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1 minute ago, JF said:

Liverpool fans through the Heysal stadium disaster 

Yes - that was the point when enough was enough. A sad day.

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The EPL need to reach a decision embraces two things - simplicity and certainty. They also need a solution which maintains cashflow to its member clubs.

Simplicity - the only simple solution is to declare season 2019/20 null and void.

Certainty - domestic season 20/21 can commence (say) 45 days after certain indicators have shown that the global and domestic pandemic is in full remission. Such an indicator could be, for example, 75% of the population has an immunity to the virus or the incidence of new cases is below 5% of the population and has been reducing for 10 consecutive weeks.

Other Leagues can make their own decisions but may we follow the EPL.

The threat of legal actions is a hollow threat. Ultimately, the Courts will unite to agree an umbrella policy which works in favour of the common good. 

 

Simplicity and certainty - those will be what the likes of Stuart Webber are demanding. EPL clubs' financial years end on 31st May so certainty is needed very shortly.

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13 minutes ago, Pugin said:

The EPL need to reach a decision embraces two things - simplicity and certainty. They also need a solution which maintains cashflow to its member clubs.

Simplicity - the only simple solution is to declare season 2019/20 null and void.

Certainty - domestic season 20/21 can commence (say) 45 days after certain indicators have shown that the global and domestic pandemic is in full remission. Such an indicator could be, for example, 75% of the population has an immunity to the virus or the incidence of new cases is below 5% of the population and has been reducing for 10 consecutive weeks.

Other Leagues can make their own decisions but may we follow the EPL.

The threat of legal actions is a hollow threat. Ultimately, the Courts will unite to agree an umbrella policy which works in favour of the common good. 

 

Simplicity and certainty - those will be what the likes of Stuart Webber are demanding. EPL clubs' financial years end on 31st May so certainty is needed very shortly.

You forgot to mention the most important thing, the rules. The Premier League has a rule book and they have to follow it. 

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If the government were to declare all leagues and sporting events cancelled because of a national emergency could anyone sue anyone? They can’t sue the government can they!? 

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42 minutes ago, Pugin said:

The EPL need to reach a decision embraces two things - simplicity and certainty. They also need a solution which maintains cashflow to its member clubs.

Simplicity - the only simple solution is to declare season 2019/20 null and void.

Certainty - domestic season 20/21 can commence (say) 45 days after certain indicators have shown that the global and domestic pandemic is in full remission. Such an indicator could be, for example, 75% of the population has an immunity to the virus or the incidence of new cases is below 5% of the population and has been reducing for 10 consecutive weeks.

Other Leagues can make their own decisions but may we follow the EPL.

The threat of legal actions is a hollow threat. Ultimately, the Courts will unite to agree an umbrella policy which works in favour of the common good. 

 

Simplicity and certainty - those will be what the likes of Stuart Webber are demanding. EPL clubs' financial years end on 31st May so certainty is needed very shortly.

An effective vaccine would also help promote the certainty bit.

 

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24 minutes ago, JF said:

If the government were to declare all leagues and sporting events cancelled because of a national emergency could anyone sue anyone? They can’t sue the government can they!? 

I suspect minds and bodies will soon be engaged in more important matters, anybody got a Boy Scout guide to making a ventilator?

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In the event this season is cancelled it could boil down to this:

Liverpool cannot prove they are champions any more than other sides can prove their finishing places, so the Premier League and Championship cannot be held to ransom by their members. 

Norwich City cannot prove they would not be in the bottom three after the last match and if that is an opinion agreed by other Clubs about us then the rule would have to apply to all. 

 No Club is able to demand its final place. The area where this is likely to be most difficult is next season's Champions League. 

But relegation is different. To relegate Clubs the Premier League and Championship would be required to prove certain Clubs are relegated. The onus shifts. 

As much as Norwich City cannot prove survival the Premier League cannot prove relegation. We would be expelled without proof and that carries the greater predjudicial weight. 

In addition, they would have to relegate three Clubs as contracted and not just one whether they are adrift at the bottom or not. 

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Does anyone know the voting protocol for the EPL?

Can decisions be carried by a majority of the 20 or do they need to be unanimous?

I can see many of the decisions that have to be made, but how will those decisions be passed or rejected?

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More importantly what refund will I get on my season ticket? Pro rata for this season and with the possibility of an entire season being lost if they decide to restart the season in the summer? Might be enough to buy a packet of toilet rolls and a bag of pasta.

Edited by Capt. Pants

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1 hour ago, Molly Windley said:

Does anyone know the voting protocol for the EPL?

Can decisions be carried by a majority of the 20 or do they need to be unanimous?

I can see many of the decisions that have to be made, but how will those decisions be passed or rejected?

I believe it's a two-thirds majority required for Rule changes, so 14 clubs would do it. Conspiracy theorists, step forward now!

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