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Mask wearing seems to be slowly dropping away if my supermarket experience today is anthing to go by.

Denmark still recording high number of cases but has declared the pandemic over. I feel we are at or not far from the same position in the UK.

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Mask wearing stayed for quite a while, but as you say, the last couple of visits to the shops has seen me be one of the only ones.

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23 hours ago, Herman said:

Most of us know this but still find these numbers pretty shocking.

I did read that the numbers are now pretty much the same as a bad flu season

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56 minutes ago, Herman said:

Mask wearing stayed for quite a while, but as you say, the last couple of visits to the shops has seen me be one of the only ones.

Definitely falling in my area too. I was in Tesco today and reckon numbers wearing masks were about 60-70%, recently they have generally been around 90% so very much on the way down.

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1 hour ago, SteveN8458 said:

I still wear a mask, it makes ME feel comfortable.

 

15 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

Definitely falling in my area too. I was in Tesco today and reckon numbers wearing masks were about 60-70%, recently they have generally been around 90% so very much on the way down.

If you see some of the people in my local Co-op you'd want to wear a Hazmat suit.ūüėÄ

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4 hours ago, ricardo said:

Mask wearing seems to be slowly dropping away if my supermarket experience today is anthing to go by.

Denmark still recording high number of cases but has declared the pandemic over. I feel we are at or not far from the same position in the UK.

I feel it’s going to gradually be the same attitude elsewhere with our governments. New Zealand has finally woken up and realised zero Covid is just pipe dream.

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4 hours ago, ricardo said:

National

88,171 -  303 

rate of decrease of  2.6%           1.33 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             891.2  starting to fall again (not updated today)

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                          56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
28-01-2022 62
 
   
   
   

 

Vax  

1st Dose           12,466                91.1% done                               Norwich numbers   79.3%        Booster rate 56.3%     

2nd Dose          27,274                 84.3% done                                                              73.9%

                                                       


Booster    39,037    total          37,419,104                65.1%   

 

In Hospital

 
02-02-2022                           14,816
01-02-2022 15,252
31-01-2022 15,723
30-01-2022 15,374
29-01-2022 15,102
 
   
   
   
   
   

Below 15,000 patients for the first time in quite a while now. Good stuff.

Well done in Denmark for declaring it over, it was a long time ago but for some reason daily figures¬†continued to be published, because it was apparently ‚Äúin the public‚Äôs interest‚ÄĚ. July 19 it ended in my book and anyone saying ‚ÄúFreedumbs‚ÄĚ to take the p*ss¬†out of people hating this nightmare, deserves a swift kick up the ar$e. It‚Äôs even worse than saying ‚ÄúCovidiot‚ÄĚ, while anyone who enjoyed all this for two years needs medical help.

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National

84,053 -  254

rate of decrease of  2.4%           1.22 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             934.5  bit of an upward spike again.

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                             56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
28-01-2022 62
 
   
   
   

 

Vax    (fewer people seeming to bother about getting vax'd)

1st Dose           13,343                91.1% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.4%     

2nd Dose          26,099                 84.4% done                                                                 73.9%

                                                       


Booster    38,913    total          37,458,017                65.1%   

 

In Hospital

03-02-2022                                      14,634
02-02-2022 14,849
01-02-2022 15,265
31-01-2022 15,734
30-01-2022 15,384
 
 

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It looks like daily new infections has recently begun to stabilise, perhaps around the 80-90k average will be the normal for the forseeable...be that good or bad.  Looking at the 1st dose vax total Ricardo i guess 91.1% is a reasonable figure. It may still rise by a few tenths of a digit but it was always the case about 5-10% would not  get vaxxed for whatever their reasons. It may also drop a bit to of course if there ae any more age groups to open up, plus last year's Census stats  should be out officially in next few months, so a population increase may to  decrease the % a bit.

Good to see the gradual decrease in hospital numbers to, that, along with deaths will at some point reach a stable period im sure much as new infections has.

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National

60,578 -  259

rate of decrease of  4.2%           1.22 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             899.9 

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                             56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59

 

Vax   

1st Dose           14,750                91.1% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.5%     

2nd Dose          28,566                 84.4% done                                                                 74%

                                                       


Booster    35,469    total          37,493,486                65.2%   

 

In Hospital

03-02-2022                                      14,634
02-02-2022 14,849
01-02-2022 15,265
31-01-2022 15,734
30-01-2022 15,384
 

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National

54,095 -  75

rate of decrease of  5.2%           1.22 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             865.3

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                                  56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
 
   
   
   

 

Vax   

1st Dose           13,929                91.2% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.5%     

2nd Dose          27,148                 84.5% done                                                                 74%

                                                       


Booster    36,338    total          37,529,824                65.3%   

 

In Hospital

03-02-2022                                      14,634
02-02-2022 14,849
01-02-2022 15,265
31-01-2022 15,734
30-01-2022 15,384
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England has recorded only 49,533 cases today; down from 57,377 yesterday, but most importantly 59,559 last Sunday, seeing how it’s better practice to compare the same days like for like from the previous week.

THIS IS THE LOWEST CASE TOTAL IN ENGLAND SINCE 13 DECEMBER WHEN OMICRON TOOK OFF.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60259302

I always had the suspicion that our government would use this to score political points and that maybe some of the EU countries may bite back.

In a way I'm glad things transpired the way they did as I bet it hugely helped our uptake amongst our most vulnerable population when you had the likes of the Daily Express getting all nationalistic in favour of our vaccine. Thankfully all before the typical neofascist right wing conspiracists got hold of them as happened in America where their uptake is absolutely shocking for what should be a highly educated modern society.

I do suspect that if we didn't have a home grown vaccine, things could have looked a hell of a lot different for Boris and co. I honestly think that saved his bacon after a disastrous 2020.

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19 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60259302

I always had the suspicion that our government would use this to score political points and that maybe some of the EU countries may bite back.

In a way I'm glad things transpired the way they did as I bet it hugely helped our uptake amongst our most vulnerable population when you had the likes of the Daily Express getting all nationalistic in favour of our vaccine. Thankfully all before the typical neofascist right wing conspiracists got hold of them as happened in America where their uptake is absolutely shocking for what should be a highly educated modern society.

I do suspect that if we didn't have a home grown vaccine, things could have looked a hell of a lot different for Boris and co. I honestly think that saved his bacon after a disastrous 2020.

 

But before European regulators made their decision, Germany decided it should not be given to those over 65. While in France, President Macron, called the vaccine "quasi-ineffective" in the elderly.

But just hours later, the European Medicines Agency approved the jab for adults of all ages.

Both Germany and France would reverse their decisions, but the reputation of the vaccine had been damaged. Some doctors in France had to throw away doses because nobody was turning up to get the jab.

 

I wonder what the human cost of this was.

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44 minutes ago, ricardo said:

 

But before European regulators made their decision, Germany decided it should not be given to those over 65. While in France, President Macron, called the vaccine "quasi-ineffective" in the elderly.

But just hours later, the European Medicines Agency approved the jab for adults of all ages.

Both Germany and France would reverse their decisions, but the reputation of the vaccine had been damaged. Some doctors in France had to throw away doses because nobody was turning up to get the jab.

 

I wonder what the human cost of this was.

Astra Zeneca say 100‚Äôs of thousands and the problems started ( according to AZ ) as it was called by the usual suspects ‚Äė The British ‚Äė vaccine when it was meant to save the world. So destroying the reputation of the vaccine was done on nationalistic and political grounds all around the world.

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"I think bad behaviour from scientists and from politicians has probably killed hundreds of thousands of people - and that they cannot be proud of."

He adds: "I don't think it made relations with Europe any easier that it was promoted as the British vaccine."

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50 minutes ago, ricardo said:

 

But before European regulators made their decision, Germany decided it should not be given to those over 65. While in France, President Macron, called the vaccine "quasi-ineffective" in the elderly.

But just hours later, the European Medicines Agency approved the jab for adults of all ages.

Both Germany and France would reverse their decisions, but the reputation of the vaccine had been damaged. Some doctors in France had to throw away doses because nobody was turning up to get the jab.

 

I wonder what the human cost of this was.

It only takes one misinterpreted fact and the mud slinging starts. Blood clots. For a period, all we heard was it could cause blood clotting. And maybe it could in some. But people were dying anyway so there was no need for the overwhelming majority to fear having it.

Kids take ecstasy or similar each weekend and one dies every now and again. But the next weekend, the kids are chucking them down their necks again

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3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

It only takes one misinterpreted fact and the mud slinging starts. Blood clots. For a period, all we heard was it could cause blood clotting. And maybe it could in some. But people were dying anyway so there was no need for the overwhelming majority to fear having it.

Kids take ecstasy or similar each weekend and one dies every now and again. But the next weekend, the kids are chucking them down their necks again

People are known to be extremely poor at rationalizing risk. Part of it I suspect is that taking the vaccine is seen as a positive affirmative act (with a small but real risk)  - whereas ignoring Covid and hoping for the best (it won't be me) and 'taking your chances' is simply the lazier thing to do - well there's no risk from the vaccine but Covid might well and still kill you. Frankly its simply a gamble - one which many lost due to Johnson's dithering.

It's rather like motorways are the safest roads, flying is safer than boats or vehicles and who the h e l l would ever cycle.

 

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We can dress this up all we like but there is no doubt imo that Macrons' ill advised comments, the motivation for which is open to debate, had a very detrimental effect on the reputation and hence usage of AZ vaccine. Of course there were numerous events that have impacted vaccine hesitancy but the Macron incident was significant.

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31 minutes ago, Van wink said:

We can dress this up all we like but there is no doubt imo that Macrons' ill advised comments, the motivation for which is open to debate, had a very detrimental effect on the reputation and hence usage of AZ vaccine. Of course there were numerous events that have impacted vaccine hesitancy but the Macron incident was significant.

Probably is the case that Macron's comments had some effect but IMO much less so than Johnson's gleeful boosterish but very foolish remarks about short circuiting the approval process for which the motivation was clear - desperation for a few days of good newspaper headlines after after a year of utter incompetence & u-turns. Also bear in mind that whatever impact Macron's comments did or didn't have, France have vaccinated a significantly higher proportion of their population than the UK so with his own citizens at least there doesn't seem to have been much impact.

Either way it seems pretty obvious that neither Johnson's early comments or Macron's were what really did for the AZ vaccine - that was the direct result of the UK concealing & indeed lying about the number (though tiny) of cases of serious side effects, viz deaths, associated with AZ.

So when it became clear in other countries all over Europe that deaths and serious illness associated with AZ were occuring at a significantly higher rate (10 times I think from memory) than the UK had been reporting eventually leading to an extremely humiliating admission that the UK figures were 10x what had been previously admitted.

As is so often the case the truth wouldn't have been a problem (other than perhaps to Johnson's nationalist and triumphal championing of AZ as a huge British success), the AZ numbers of side effects were still very small but the lying about them completely shattered the confidence in most Western countries and it was game over for AZ in most of Europe other than the UK after that.

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

We can dress this up all we like but there is no doubt imo that Macrons' ill advised comments, the motivation for which is open to debate, had a very detrimental effect on the reputation and hence usage of AZ vaccine. Of course there were numerous events that have impacted vaccine hesitancy but the Macron incident was significant.

Indeed, but as we can see it doesn't stop some people twisting the facts to obfuscate the situation

This is what happened.

In the case of Germany, someone invented some ****, somewhere in officialdom and then "leaked it" to the press.

In France, Macron became a self taught expert on COVID and vaccines (as stated by his spin doctors) and mouthed some more nonsense.

In neither case, could any actual facts be found to substantiate the claims.

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National

57,623 -  45

rate of decrease of  10.4%           1 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             848 slowly subsiding again

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                                  56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
 
   
   
   

 

Vax   

1st Dose           8,321                   91.2% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.6%     

2nd Dose          16,605                 84.5% done                                                                 74%

                                                       


Booster    19,805    total          37,553,416                65.3%     not many willing arms left to jab. From my experience in shops and supermarkets, many appear to think its all over. Time will tell as always.

 

In Hospital

 
04-02-2022                                   14,207
03-02-2022 14,666
02-02-2022 14,869
01-02-2022 15,280
31-01-2022 15,746
   
   
   
   

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Idiots tweeting stuff like ‚ÄúTwo World Wars, one World Cup and a World beating vaccine‚ÄĚ (this was actually tweeted during the Euros), definitely didn‚Äôt help the cause. Nationalistic attitudes seemed to sadly hamper it‚Äôs trust from the public.

I had that jab myself and I had no problems with it and no bad attitudes from having it as the one given to me.

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Pretty much my entire concerns from five years ago, the rise of nationalism in all countries should be of concern to normal people. The real question should be who’s destabilising the equilibrium we had for thirty years? Is it really China & Russia, do you really think so after all the trade links and investments between the European US and the mentioned countries, the way we still collaborate in space development and other areas in big ways.

Is it any coincidence that since 9/11 and the flood of Middle East refugees the world has started to become fragmented again, are we seeing bigger influences from the IS than we really know? If you think about the EU, US, China & Russia we are all big enough economies to start the transition from fossil fuels but the entire Middle East is built on oil. A war in Europe opens up more opportunities for other areas to take full advantage.

At the start of Covid the world United to find vaccines and for a brief period of time there was a global fight against a common enemy in Covid! Now politicians are using it for their own gains and we shouldn’t let them, it’s those who helped make the vaccines and those who delivered it into our arms, who cared for us and helped us we should be thankful for. Not Maccron or Bumbling Boris. 

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52 minutes ago, ricardo said:

National

57,623 -  45

rate of decrease of  10.4%           1 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             848 slowly subsiding again

N & N Patients

01-02-2022                                  56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
 
   
   
   

 

Vax   

1st Dose           8,321                   91.2% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.6%     

2nd Dose          16,605                 84.5% done                                                                 74%

                                                       


Booster    19,805    total          37,553,416                65.3%     not many willing arms left to jab. From my experience in shops and supermarkets, many appear to think its all over. Time will tell as always.

 

In Hospital

 
04-02-2022                                   14,207
03-02-2022 14,666
02-02-2022 14,869
01-02-2022 15,280
31-01-2022 15,746
   
   
   
   

Thanks as always, good to see hospital numbers now steadily dropping (and we know a lot of those are where the primary reason to be in hospital is not Covid).

 

So, as you say "they think it's all over..." but unlike the movies, there's no cut off date when Covid will suddenly go away.  

 

I've not seen any updates for the wider world e.g. India or South America for ages - anyone seen any updates ?

 

At the game on Saturday it certainly felt just like 2019, almost no-one wearing a mask, pretty much a full return to normality.  And although I've had no symptoms, I did take a lateral flow test yesterday as I'm just out of the habit of being in proximity to so many people (happily, negative).  

 

So, it's been 2 years that this has dominated our lives and while I'm not going to ignore it and I'm not just going back to the way I used to live, equally I am now largely getting on with life.

 

One sinister aspect of Covid is that China is basically using it to impose a semi-permanent state of repression, which obviously suits their leadership.  The tricky thing for them will be to maintain that when the rest of the world is largely getting back to normal, when their population largely lacks immunity from vaccines or historic infections. 

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National

66,183 -  314

rate of decrease of  20.2%           1 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             856.6

N & N Patients (no update since 1st Feb)

01-02-2022                                  56
31-01-2022 53
30-01-2022 52
29-01-2022 59
 
   
   
   

 

Vax   

1st Dose           10,106                   91.2% done                               Norwich numbers   79.4%        Booster rate 56.6%     

2nd Dose          22,861                 84.5% done                                                                 74%

                                                       


Booster    32,627    total          37,586,043                65.4%    

 

In Hospital

 
07-02-2022                                        13,793
06-02-2022 13,620
05-02-2022 13,741
04-02-2022 14,237
03-02-2022 14,687
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

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