KernowCanary 214 Posted January 28, 2022 The so-called “plateauing” and “flattening” has taken all the headlines I see, nothing surprises me now with this scummy MSM. The hospital accommodation decline still don’t get the same number of mentions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Ink waiting to dry on a piece of paper after the 2017 election, now all this dithering over a report. This country really can be a joke at times :(. Edited January 28, 2022 by KernowCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 29, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/28/lift-plan-b-restrictions-england-vaccines-restrictions another solid opinion piece. Particularly liked the bit about quality of life years (QaLYs). Always my main argument vs people who want stricter rules is that stricter doesn't mean more effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted January 29, 2022 National 72,727 - 296 rate of decrease of 3.2% 1.28 million tests Local Norwich West rate 666.3 N & N Patients 25-01-2022 83 24-01-2022 87 23-01-2022 91 22-01-2022 92 Vax 1st Dose 16,370 91% done Norwich numbers 79.3% Booster rate 56.1% 2nd Dose 32,964 84.1% done 73.7% Booster 53,124 total 37,211,022 64.7% In Hospital 27-01-2022 16,149 26-01-2022 16,514 25-01-2022 16,608 24-01-2022 17,210 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted January 29, 2022 Latest on models v reality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 753 Posted January 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, ricardo said: Latest on models v reality Did they have a similar graph showing infections/case numbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted January 30, 2022 National 62,399 - 85 rate of decrease of 6.5% 1.28 million tests Local Norwich West rate 804.7 bit of a rise locally N & N Patients 25-01-2022 83 24-01-2022 87 23-01-2022 91 22-01-2022 92 Vax 1st Dose 17,652 91% done Norwich numbers 79.3% Booster rate 56.2% 2nd Dose 37,477 84.1% done 73.7% Booster 52,295 total 37,263,317 64.8% In Hospital 27-01-2022 16,149 26-01-2022 16,514 25-01-2022 16,608 24-01-2022 17,210 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted January 30, 2022 Just what I’ve been thinking some time about the scummy MSM and their narrative. Just because Dr John wants to keep us positive and not scare, the BBC start on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, KernowCanary said: Just what I’ve been thinking some time about the scummy MSM and their narrative. Just because Dr John wants to keep us positive and not scare, the BBC start on him. I did find it odd how he was being attacked for saying this. I watched the vid in question and he gave all the context about preexisting conditions etc. and didn't see anything particularly wrong with it. Maybe some of his titles are a bit clickbaity now and he went a bit weird with the Ivermectin stuff (allbeit not actually concluding it worked necessarily) but he's generally been pretty reliable from what I've seen. I dunno who the chap defending him is so not really got much of an opinion on him. Ah well... reinfections added tomorrow, all the bed wetters will be like kids at Christmas waiting to get their sweaty thumbs out to tweet about them no doubt 😆 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted January 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said: I did find it odd how he was being attacked for saying this. I watched the vid in question and he gave all the context about preexisting conditions etc. and didn't see anything particularly wrong with it. Maybe some of his titles are a bit clickbaity now and he went a bit weird with the Ivermectin stuff (allbeit not actually concluding it worked necessarily) but he's generally been pretty reliable from what I've seen. I dunno who the chap defending him is so not really got much of an opinion on him. Ah well... reinfections added tomorrow, all the bed wetters will be like kids at Christmas waiting to get their sweaty thumbs out to tweet about them no doubt 😆 All while rubbing their hands together in glee, no doubt about it!. Yup, overall he’s really good and honest, although the Ivermectin stuff was a bit confusing, the rest of his stuff was and is excellent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMarriot 310 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, KernowCanary said: All while rubbing their hands together in glee, no doubt about it!. Yup, overall he’s really good and honest, although the Ivermectin stuff was a bit confusing, the rest of his stuff was and is excellent. Never mind the BBC , the ONS ( whose figures "Dr " John Campbell loves to quote ) has stated that "to suggest that the 17,000 figure represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading" . Why that is so has already been posted on here , as has his complete misunderstanding and misuse of life expectancy figures. Well done the BBC for highlighting this man's nonsense. You can read the BBC's excellent take down of his claims here : Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect' - BBC News Edited January 31, 2022 by MooreMarriot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,746 Posted January 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, MooreMarriot said: Never mind the BBC , the ONS ( whose figures "Dr " John Campbell loves to quote ) has stated that "to suggest that the 17,000 figure represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading" . Why that is so has already been posted on here , as has his complete misunderstanding and misuse of life expectancy figures. Well done the BBC for highlighting this man's nonsense. Tim Harford investigates.👍 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013r9w Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, MooreMarriot said: Never mind the BBC , the ONS ( whose figures "Dr " John Campbell loves to quote ) has stated that "to suggest that the 17,000 figure represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading" . Why that is so has already been posted on here , as has his complete misunderstanding and misuse of life expectancy figures. Well done the BBC for highlighting this man's nonsense. You can read the BBC's excellent take down of his claims here : Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect' - BBC News I can't speak for some of the twats that are suggesting that but you're putting words in Dr. Campbells mouth here. He doesn't claim this in the "freedom of information revelation" video. Stating that 17000 deaths were people with no underlying conditions is factually correct as per ONS. People can then make the mistake of interpreting that as meaning the other deaths aren't that big of a deal but that's on them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMarriot 310 Posted January 31, 2022 50 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said: I can't speak for some of the twats that are suggesting that but you're putting words in Dr. Campbells mouth here. He doesn't claim this in the "freedom of information revelation" video. Stating that 17000 deaths were people with no underlying conditions is factually correct as per ONS. People can then make the mistake of interpreting that as meaning the other deaths aren't that big of a deal but that's on them. Sorry , but the ONS have stated that Campbell's interpretation of their data is factually incorrect and highly misleading. "It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained. It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, MooreMarriot said: Sorry , but the ONS have stated that Campbell's interpretation of their data is factually incorrect and highly misleading. "It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained. It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading". it's their own terminology... perhaps they're the ones that need to revise that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted January 31, 2022 Surely if some people died but the majority lived then those who died had a pre existing condition. Let alone all the usual suspects they obviously didn't have the defence to fight off the virus. And nobody could have assessed that or even prevented it once they caught it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted January 31, 2022 So, today is the day when a new statistic, Reinfections, is added to the daily new cases total on the official dashboard, which will give rise to a daily new infections total to likely Everest proportions. Adding this will make the UK infections total even more accurate but of course no nation can claim absolute accuracy on any stat concerning Covid. While the huge added increase in infections will temporarily seem abnormally scary it will to naturally cause a slight decrease in the % of deaths per head of population. So, swings and roundabouts, which is what Covid is all about i guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 753 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Essjayess said: So, today is the day when a new statistic, Reinfections, is added to the daily new cases total on the official dashboard, which will give rise to a daily new infections total to likely Everest proportions. Adding this will make the UK infections total even more accurate but of course no nation can claim absolute accuracy on any stat concerning Covid. While the huge added increase in infections will temporarily seem abnormally scary it will to naturally cause a slight decrease in the % of deaths per head of population. So, swings and roundabouts, which is what Covid is all about i guess. Decrease in percentage of deaths per infection presumably rather than per head of population? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted January 31, 2022 Still no update. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Aggy said: Decrease in percentage of deaths per infection presumably rather than per head of population? Yes Aggy, that is correct, thx for puttimg me right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Raven 276 Posted January 31, 2022 Quite a few rows of data to deal with from now on so I can forgive them the 10pm release Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 753 Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Essjayess said: Yes Aggy, that is correct, thx for puttimg me right. I hadn’t realised how the re-infections were reported previously though. Am I right in thinking that before, if you tested (for example) on day 1 of symptoms it was a “new” infection, retested on day 2 and were still positive that went down as a re-infection, but if you were for instance in hospital and doing daily testing then the third and subsequent positive tests wouldn’t go on to the dashboard? Whereas now every time you test it goes down? Why the change in methodology do you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted February 1, 2022 National (yesterdays upadate) 92,368 - 51 case no's now include re-infections so not strictly comparable. rate of decrease of 5% 1.28 million tests Local Norwich West rate 882.6 N & N Patients 25-01-2022 83 24-01-2022 87 23-01-2022 91 22-01-2022 92 Vax 1st Dose 11,684 91% done Norwich numbers 79.3% Booster rate 56.2% 2nd Dose 27,601 84.2% done 73.8% Booster 33,699 total 37,303,021 64.9% In Hospital 28-01-2022 15,938 27-01-2022 16,176 26-01-2022 16,535 25-01-2022 16,623 24-01-2022 17,223 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted February 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Aggy said: I hadn’t realised how the re-infections were reported previously though. Am I right in thinking that before, if you tested (for example) on day 1 of symptoms it was a “new” infection, retested on day 2 and were still positive that went down as a re-infection, but if you were for instance in hospital and doing daily testing then the third and subsequent positive tests wouldn’t go on to the dashboard? Whereas now every time you test it goes down? Why the change in methodology do you know? Tbh Aggy i know about as much as you do, i just had read a report saying that the official dashboard would now include reinfections and that it would likely cause a spike mountain in the new cases, but looking at the data Pete above found its getting so dang detailed now with all those rows of stats that it looks as clear as mud to me. I much prefer the more simplified daily read out on Covid that our Ricardo provides each day, even though he likely gets it from the official dashboard to. But better is our Ricardo than any official dashboard i say. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted February 1, 2022 Todays update will be late again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted February 1, 2022 National (yesterdays upadate) 112,458 - 219 case and deaths no's now include re-infections so not strictly comparable. rate of decrease of 2.2% 1.28 million tests Local Norwich West rate 925.8 has slowly risen for past four days N & N Patients 25-01-2022 83 24-01-2022 87 23-01-2022 91 22-01-2022 92 Vax 1st Dose 15,329 91% done Norwich numbers 79.3% Booster rate 56.3% 2nd Dose 24,275 84.2% done 73.8% Booster 39,062 total 37,342,083 64.9% In Hospital 31-01-2022 15,669 30-01-2022 15,333 29-01-2022 15,068 28-01-2022 15,953 27-01-2022 16,192 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted February 1, 2022 Hospitals back up two days running now. “it comes after” (to quote the scummy BBC), reinfections have been added to statistics. Time for me to keep out of this thread until it’s all over. Good to see the Twitter scientists have shut up least and some have deleted their accounts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ricardo said: Todays update will be late again. Update seems a popular word at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Update seems a popular word at the moment. Better than shirtlifter.😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,380 Posted February 1, 2022 Time for another look at the latest wiring diagram Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
