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17 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

So now we have BA.2 Omicron but no details of symptoms etc.

Wishful thinking from scientists and tyrant politicians clinging to relevancy.

its.over

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39 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

Wishful thinking from scientists and tyrant politicians clinging to relevancy.

its.over

It’s not over yet, but it’s on its way to being so.

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On 23/01/2022 at 10:25, ron obvious said:

"I've seen a few people recently shouting about how new ONS data shows that the "true" death toll from COVID in England & Wales is only 17,371, rather than the ONS figure of 157,816. This is obviously nonsense, but evidently still needs debunking, so here goes..."

https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1485570732553875456

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1 hour ago, Pete Raven said:

"I've seen a few people recently shouting about how new ONS data shows that the "true" death toll from COVID in England & Wales is only 17,371, rather than the ONS figure of 157,816. This is obviously nonsense, but evidently still needs debunking, so here goes..."

https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1485570732553875456

Thanks. A moments thought could see this why at best this was a 'misleading' statistic and at worst - well simply disingenuous. Its why it wasn't much reported. I gave up 1/2 way through the video when it came off the rails but it took a good ten minutes to get there of waffle.

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National

88,447 -  56  (two days of Scotland figures added)

rate of decrease of  6.8%           1.2 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             770.1

N & N Patients

18-01-2022                                      113
17-01-2022 118
16-01-2022 114
15-01-2022 109
14-01-2022 116

 

Vax  

1st Dose           12,266                90.8% done                               Norwich numbers   79%        Booster rate 55.5%     

2nd Dose          30,710                 83.8% done                                                                 73.3%

                                                          


Booster    42,724    total          36,941,059                64.2%   

 

In Hospital

21-01-2022                                     17,523
20-01-2022 17,986
19-01-2022 18,529
18-01-2022 19,025
17-01-2022 19,506
 
   
   
   
   

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2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Thanks. A moments thought could see this why at best this was a 'misleading' statistic and at worst - well simply disingenuous. Its why it wasn't much reported. I gave up 1/2 way through the video when it came off the rails but it took a good ten minutes to get there of waffle.

personally, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the information from the FOI request. I'm certain it's been available all this time from ONS anyway so there's no "cover up" or anything. As ever, it's peoples horrible interpretation of the data to suit their agenda.

It's not false information to suggest only about a tenth of the covid deaths were basically solely Covid at all but as Victimofmaths states, there's around half of the whole population that have a preexisting condition. Many of those people potentially had years of quality life ahead of them prior to getting Covid.

The way I've seen it is a little bit like the street fighter analogy I came up with. Covid is an attack that does 5 damage with 100 being full health. Everyone is at different points on their health bar and Covid will hit that harsher for those at the lower end but it will impact everyone.

Perhaps it should be used to encourage healthier living and getting people out exercising. I'm generally not anti vaxx (in fact I've been one of the biggest proponents of the covid vaccine) but I had to laugh when some obese Aussie politician called Novak Djokovic a "danger to public health".

Yet again, it's the same stupid dance we do every week. The bed wetters come out on a Tuesday quoting the catch up figures as if that's the every day story and then the deniers come out on Sunday quoting weekend figures as if that's every day.

Personally bored of the obvious inherent biases that people can't seem to let go of now. It's no longer March 2020.

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32 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

personally, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the information from the FOI request. I'm certain it's been available all this time from ONS anyway so there's no "cover up" or anything. As ever, it's peoples horrible interpretation of the data to suit their agenda.

It's not false information to suggest only about a tenth of the covid deaths were basically solely Covid at all but as Victimofmaths states, there's around half of the whole population that have a preexisting condition. Many of those people potentially had years of quality life ahead of them prior to getting Covid.

The way I've seen it is a little bit like the street fighter analogy I came up with. Covid is an attack that does 5 damage with 100 being full health. Everyone is at different points on their health bar and Covid will hit that harsher for those at the lower end but it will impact everyone.

Perhaps it should be used to encourage healthier living and getting people out exercising. I'm generally not anti vaxx (in fact I've been one of the biggest proponents of the covid vaccine) but I had to laugh when some obese Aussie politician called Novak Djokovic a "danger to public health".

Yet again, it's the same stupid dance we do every week. The bed wetters come out on a Tuesday quoting the catch up figures as if that's the every day story and then the deniers come out on Sunday quoting weekend figures as if that's every day.

Personally bored of the obvious inherent biases that people can't seem to let go of now. It's no longer March 2020.

Don't disagree with that - Nobody said there was anything wrong with the FOI request but just those that seemed to leap or infer conclusions. I gave up with it when it started to misunderstand life expectancy  - Pete went for the belt'n'braces rebuttal which I thought was largely obvious anyway without all the figures (most victims have other chronic comorbidities) . It's possible the guy said it was misleading in the second half but I hadn't the time to wait forever. 

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On 21/01/2022 at 17:28, ricardo said:

National

95,787 -  288

rate of decrease of  27.3%           1.4 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             960.5  not updated yet

N & N Patients

18-01-2022                                      113
17-01-2022 118
16-01-2022 114
15-01-2022 109
14-01-2022 116

 

Vax  

1st Dose           17,806                90.7% done                               Norwich numbers   79%        Booster rate 55.1%     

2nd Dose          33,674                 83.6% done                                                                 73.2%

                                                          


Booster    65,203    total          36,753,644                63.9%   

 

In Hospital

20-01-2022                                          17,976
19-01-2022 18,517
18-01-2022 19,014
17-01-2022 19,498
16-01-2022 19,271

5 news said a case increase from 7 days ago, are they wrong and confusing the figures from devolved nations?. The main thing is that hospital figures continue to decrease.

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I think it was said on this thread or elsewhere, that when the cases start to drop, they suddenly stop doing this while they are still high and then flatten out at that point because we keep testing so many people.

It looks like after yesterday’s week on week increase, that’s starting to happen and yesterday in Cornwall almost every region had a red arrow indicating an increase in cases per 100,000. This happened the same day the relaxation of the rules got announced.

Hopefully this is just a blip and those in charge realise cases are irrelevant now, as it’s hospital figures that matter the most.

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National

94,326 -  439 

rate of decrease of  3.2%           1.2 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             718.2

N & N Patients

18-01-2022                                      113
17-01-2022 118
16-01-2022 114
15-01-2022 109
14-01-2022 116

 

Vax  

1st Dose           16,005                90.9% done                               Norwich numbers   79.1%        Booster rate 55.7%     

2nd Dose          29,833                 83.9% done                                                                 73.4%

                                                          


Booster    55,887    total          36,996,939                64.3%   

 

In Hospital

21-01-2022                                     17,523
20-01-2022 17,986
19-01-2022 18,529
18-01-2022 19,025
17-01-2022 19,506
 

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1 hour ago, KernowCanary said:

Patients in English hospitals down 475 to 14,088 today, that is down 2130 from last Tuesday's 16,218

Great news.

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10 hours ago, KernowCanary said:

I think it was said on this thread or elsewhere, that when the cases start to drop, they suddenly stop doing this while they are still high and then flatten out at that point because we keep testing so many people.

It looks like after yesterday’s week on week increase, that’s starting to happen and yesterday in Cornwall almost every region had a red arrow indicating an increase in cases per 100,000. This happened the same day the relaxation of the rules got announced.

Hopefully this is just a blip and those in charge realise cases are irrelevant now, as it’s hospital figures that matter the most.

it's so obviously unvaccinated kids gathering into rooms of 30+ people that is having a bit of an upwards tick. This is their first few weeks of Omicron exposure coming into play after the 2 week Christmas break. Omicron was barely about prior to the Christmas holidays. Hopefully this sub wave of cases will peak soon then at least leave large swathes of kids some good solid natural immunity from transmitting Covid further.

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14 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

439 deaths is not so great

But deaths from anything other than covid are great? Or what’s the point you’re making?

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Another reminder for those who still don't understand how deaths are reported.

Regular Tuesday reminder that today's reported 439 deaths did not *happen* in the last 24 hours. They are all shown in orange against actual date-of-death on this chart. In fact it's looking increasingly promising that deaths have already peaked mid-January.

 

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11 hours ago, ricardo said:

Another reminder for those who still don't understand how deaths are reported.

Regular Tuesday reminder that today's reported 439 deaths did not *happen* in the last 24 hours. They are all shown in orange against actual date-of-death on this chart. In fact it's looking increasingly promising that deaths have already peaked mid-January.

 

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I think Omicron is really showing up the differences in the ways various countries record Covid-19 deaths. For example, the Netherlands is reporting around 50K cases/day but only around 10 deaths. France, I believe, also records deaths differently to the UK. I guess the best indicator will be the excess deaths when the figures become published to fully reflect this time.    

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Now it’s been said that two thirds who got Omicron had Covid before…..

When will this ever end?, I just hope hospital figures continue to decline and that’s all those in charge will worry about. Why they still publish the daily figures after July 19th still baffles me today. Apparently it’s in “the public’s interest” to keep this up, while everyone I know is sick of it and turns the channel over when it’s announced.

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4 hours ago, Mark .Y. said:

I think Omicron is really showing up the differences in the ways various countries record Covid-19 deaths. For example, the Netherlands is reporting around 50K cases/day but only around 10 deaths. France, I believe, also records deaths differently to the UK. I guess the best indicator will be the excess deaths when the figures become published to fully reflect this time.    

There are certainly differences in the way that different countries record the data but I suspect it is only one factor in what appear at times to be quite startling differences in outcomes such as your Dutch example - as well as vaccines obviously,  I'm thinking that for example that obesity is a major (the major?) risk factor with Covid and the UK, and the US, have a huge (no pun intended) issue with that relative to many European countries - I've no idea whether the Netherlands is one of those but with all those bikes I'm guessing that its quite likely 😀

But as you say, the genuine/meaningful comparison is/and will be excess not Covid deaths.

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46 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

There are certainly differences in the way that different countries record the data but I suspect it is only one factor in what appear at times to be quite startling differences in outcomes such as your Dutch example - as well as vaccines obviously,  I'm thinking that for example that obesity is a major (the major?) risk factor with Covid and the UK, and the US, have a huge (no pun intended) issue with that relative to many European countries - I've no idea whether the Netherlands is one of those but with all those bikes I'm guessing that its quite likely 😀

But as you say, the genuine/meaningful comparison is/and will be excess not Covid deaths.

Apparently there are still different methods of analysing the data even after 2 years.

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1 hour ago, Creative Midfielder said:

 

But as you say, the genuine/meaningful comparison is/and will be excess not Covid deaths.

This will be the ultimate arbiter.

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National

102,292 -  346

rate of decrease of  0.9%           1.2 million tests

 

Local

Norwich   West rate             674.9

N & N Patients (no weekly update yet)

18-01-2022                                      113
17-01-2022 118
16-01-2022 114
15-01-2022 109
14-01-2022 116

 

Vax  

1st Dose           13,304                90.9% done                               Norwich numbers   79.1%        Booster rate 55.8%     

2nd Dose          27,804                 83.9% done                                                                 73.5%

                                                          


Booster    51,097    total          37,048,033                64.4%   

 

In Hospital

 
25-01-2022                           16,594
24-01-2022 17,201
23-01-2022 16,931
22-01-2022 16,966
21-01-2022 17,572
20-01-2022 18,025
   
   
   
   
 

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Idiot Stephen Reicher given free airtime by a “breakfast show” yet again saying through his webcam in a dimly lit room, just to match the mood of what he is saying, being that the virus can get deadlier and the government are doing wrong in going back to plan A.

What an utter **** and everyone on his Twitter “threads” agreeing with him. This is the same moron in June last year who said while we were eating our cereals, that people do not have to take the vaccine if they don’t want to, while saying during that same month that the government are wrong in releasing restrictions, so it will get bad again. Yet we all know how wrong his prediction turned out seeing how not having restrictions or so called “curbs” ever since then, has been the right thing to do. This physiological idiot who works for Sage, has no idea on anything. He’s just a lockdown septic who has not got one good thing to say about Boris. Every tweet is slagging him off, nothing positive. Okay, I’m no fan of the bloke just like many on here, but we have all agreed that since 2021, that our government have got all the key decisions right.

If that certain organisation that shares its name with a herb and it’s cronies had their way, we would be floating in and out of lockdowns with us having no say over it. They should be swept away out of existence like leaves on the floor.

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Still virtually everyone wearing masks in Tesco this morning. Not sure if Tesco asked people to do it as Sainsbury did. Pasty shop still asking for observance.

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Prof Spector saying that infections may rise for a time in younger cohorts (schools etc) and unvaxed.

Older corts still in gentle decline.

Also of those in hospital with Covid, 52% are in for non Covid related disorders.

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