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18 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Possibly where the polls are a bit out of cync are people like me, my family and several of my friends. As you know I have voted Tory all my life, but would I ever vote for a Tory party led by Johnson ( or a particular group ) absolutely not, will I vote Tory in the next general election depends on the answer to my previous point. However would I vote Labour, probably yes in the May Elections, could I see myself voting Labour in a General election ? Thought I could when Starmer took over but probably not now, so if Johnson in charge ( which I don’t he will be ) not sure who it would be for.

 

13 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Very honest response WBB (as usual). Fair play. Where I am a Green vote is a bit wasted (and we have Phillip Davies😐).

The funny thing is that I regard myself as generally gentle centre left - so yes will vote for Starmer but in local elections vote Tory (and agree with a 'Poll' tax) ! For me its about looking after the pennies for local projects (no idealistic loons please) but I have a more societal generous view nationally. Oddly a friend stood as Tory MP (and no couldn't stand Johnson). My 'No Loons' applies equally to the Corbynites as the diehard Brexiteers! Both idealistic unworldly idiots. Johnson is in a class of clown all of his own.

Unfortunately we get the politicians we deserve. Red Nose day. 

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12 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I might consider a green vote general election, but I have to say in May I need my protest to be noted.

I voted Green in the last GE, couldn’t have voted for either of the two main parties,  know it was a “wasted” vote, but I’m sure having done it once it will be easier the next time.

I suspect the May elections will be a complete damp squib with very poor turn out and little interest.

 

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2 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I voted Green in the last GE, couldn’t have voted for either of the two main parties,  know it was a “wasted” vote, but I’m sure having done it once it will be easier the next time.

I suspect the May elections will be a complete damp squib with very poor turn out and little interest.

 

I wouldn't read much at all in the polls until Covid is in the rear view mirror. I can't help but think though another lockdown later this summer or autumn would (or better should) sink Johnson hence the utmost caution in opening up.

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8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I voted Green in the last GE, couldn’t have voted for either of the two main parties,  know it was a “wasted” vote, but I’m sure having done it once it will be easier the next time.

I suspect the May elections will be a complete damp squib with very poor turn out and little interest.

 

The older voters probably won’t want to go out so will use postal voting which depending on who wins may or may not be hit with fraud allegations lol

On a more serious note, you and Sonyc could persuade to vote Green as my son is.

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Despite all this rubbish, the Tories are set to win the staunch Liebore seat of Hartlepool in May.... 🤗🤣

There really is currently no realistic alternative to the current incumbents as they are the only party that would realistically make any attempt to reduce the National Debt or any deficit for that matter, as they are the party for best economic growth via free market enterprise, and that is what will get us out of the current economic dire straits.   We ran out of money in 2009/10 and Libore will never be forgiven for decades for their many additional major errors also, many of which drove us to vote for Brexit. 

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43 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So you don’t think the US having 100 million doses of AZ that they are unlikely to use and they are keeping just in case is not hoarding. That’s really interesting. This is a world problem not a specific EU problem.
Where’s my link ?

Hows Alex today ?

They are vaccinating their own citizens and doing very well at it, just as we are, and need that supply.  Nobody will have the incentive to supply or produce in the EU while they denigrate suppliers and threaten export bans of legitimately ordered vaccines.  That really is a sad indictment of EU policy and still they continue to act with political stupidity.

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15 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Despite all this rubbish, the Tories are set to win the staunch Liebore seat of Hartlepool in May.... 🤗🤣

There really is currently no realistic alternative to the current incumbents as they are the only party that would realistically make any attempt to reduce the National Debt or any deficit for that matter, as they are the party for best economic growth via free market enterprise, and that is what will get us out of the current economic dire straits.   We ran out of money in 2009/10 and Libore will never be forgiven for decades for their many additional major errors also, many of which drove us to vote for Brexit. 

Are you wearing Lynx?

 

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2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

They are vaccinating their own citizens and doing very well at it, just as we are, and need that supply.  Nobody will have the incentive to supply or produce in the EU while they denigrate suppliers and threaten export bans of legitimately ordered vaccines.  That really is a sad indictment of EU policy and still they continue to act with political stupidity.

They have a complete export ban on anything to do with vaccines, you just hate Europeans. Please make your mind up Europeans are threatening to do something, they are low life’s, the US do something ( not threaten to do it ) and they are heroes. 
Unfortunately it is all very sad and watching a Company whom I have a high regard for ( AZ ) being brought down brick by brick by America, Russia, China, Europe ect is even sadder.

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This was first reported by @sonyc so not trying to steal his thunder. Good news in that Pfizer looks more than good in 12 - 15 year olds and will get forwarded to European and American authorities for quick authorisation. This was a small trial but those figures showing ‘ nobody caught it in the vaccinated groups ‘ asks the question can COVID be beaten completely.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine can give strong protection to children as young as 12, the two companies have announced following a trial.

In a small study involving 2,260 US volunteers aged 12 to 15, there were no cases of Covid-19 among those who have been fully vaccinated. Eighteen of those who received a placebo were infected.

The volunteers experienced similar side effects from the vaccine to those among younger adults, while levels of antibodies were higher, Pfizer and BioNTech say.

The vaccine is currently authorised for anyone aged 16 or older.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla says it plans to submit data to US and European regulators in the coming weeks to extend emergency use of the vaccine to 12-15 year olds, and to begin vaccination of this age group before the start of the next school year.

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56 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I voted Green in the last GE, couldn’t have voted for either of the two main parties,  know it was a “wasted” vote, but I’m sure having done it once it will be easier the next time.

I suspect the May elections will be a complete damp squib with very poor turn out and little interest.

 

Here in Norwich there is only one party that will get in.

I do my best by drawing a massive **** and balls on the ballot paper but no matter how big it gets there is no prospect of change😀

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58 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Are you wearing Lynx?

 

This is what Paul sees each morning in the mirror (but he is still the one looking)

 

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22 hours ago, ricardo said:

522 flights scheduled from Germany to Majorca up to next Monday.

Madness, sheer madness.

I think Mrs Merkel may have inherited BJ's crown.

FT

"We are a laughing stock"

Public approval of the ( German) government’s coronavirus policies benefited one actor in particular — Merkel’s party, the Christian Democratic Union, which last year surged to nearly 40 per cent in the polls. But those days are over. Earlier this month the party suffered its worst ever election results in Baden-Württemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate, two states that for decades had been Christian Democrat strongholds. In the run-up to the polls it was revealed that a number of MPs from Merkel’s CDU/CSU bloc had earned huge commissions on deals to procure coronavirus face masks. But according to Renate Köcher, head of the Allensbach Institute, the so-called “mask affair” wasn’t the main reason for the party’s poor performance. “Faith in the CDU as the party that ‘can do crises’ has been shattered,” she recently wrote. With just six months to go till Bundestag elections, that represents a massive headache for Laschet, who was elected CDU boss in January. Some experts say the polls look so bad for the Christian Democrats that they might end up being driven from the chancellery which they have controlled for the last 16 years. But it’s not just the CDU that’s in trouble; all levels of government — federal, regional and municipal — are under attack for their pandemic policies, which people increasingly see as “arbitrary, contradictory and, in some instances, absurd”, Köcher wrote. “The vast majority of critics no longer believe that the country’s leaders have a plan for overcoming the crisis.” Angela Merkel has suggested she may try to take powers away from the regions if they persisted in going their own way in dealing with the virus. Germans are baffled at why some of them can take holidays in the Balearic island of Mallorca over Easter while those stuck at home aren’t allowed to visit local camping sites or holiday cottages in their own backyard. Paradoxes and zigzags such as these are fuelling widespread indignation. One doctor, Carola Holzner, from the western city of Essen, even invented a word to describe the public mood — mütend, a cross between müde (tired) and wütend (furious). “No to masks, then yes,” she wrote on her Facebook page. “No to rapid tests, then it can’t happen fast enough. Schools opened, then closed, then opened again. First there’s not enough PPE, then not enough vaccines. No one can stand all this political vacillation any more.”

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56 minutes ago, Well b back said:

They have a complete export ban on anything to do with vaccines, you just hate Europeans. Please make your mind up Europeans are threatening to do something, they are low life’s, the US do something ( not threaten to do it ) and they are heroes. 
Unfortunately it is all very sad and watching a Company whom I have a high regard for ( AZ ) being brought down brick by brick by America, Russia, China, Europe ect is even sadder.

I'm not aware of the US stopping legitimate orders, such as the EU stopped to Australia.   We have not banned any vaccine exports but we applied our due diligence last year which put us at the head of the queue by investing more than the EU, and ordering, in many biotechs at the right time, while the EU dithered and put its money behind the failed Senofi vaccine rather than the British AZ  due to political reasons.  They simply failed and are paying the price of that failure due to making bad political decisions.

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7 hours ago, Van wink said:

Sounds like Angela and Emanuel were on the blower to Vlad last night, incoming Sputnik!

Yes, total humiliation for the EU project. The Slovakian PM had to resign over doing the same thing. However the chances of Macron and Merkel resigning are absolutely zero. 

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

I'm not aware of the US stopping legitimate orders, such as the EU stopped to Australia.   We have not banned any vaccine exports but we applied our due diligence last year which put us at the head of the queue by investing more than the EU, and ordering, in many biotechs at the right time, while the EU dithered and put its money behind the failed Senofi vaccine rather than the British AZ  due to political reasons.  They simply failed and are paying the price of that failure due to making bad political decisions.

Have you ever visited an owl sanctuary?

 

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:

Here in Norwich there is only one party that will get in.

I do my best by drawing a massive **** and balls on the ballot paper but no matter how big it gets there is no prospect of change😀

In Norwich, a big cockerel on the ballot paper would be taken as a vote for the blessed Clive 🤣

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5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Have you ever visited an owl sanctuary?

 

I went to an owl sanctuary once. They had no owls. I asked the owner where are the owls?

He said they didn't have any right now but his wife has got some great t I t s

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Germans are baffled at why some of them can take holidays in the Balearic island of Mallorca over Easter while those stuck at home aren’t allowed to visit local camping sites or holiday cottages in their own backyard. Paradoxes and zigzags such as these are fuelling widespread indignation. One doctor, Carola Holzner, from the western city of Essen, even invented a word to describe the public mood — mütend, a cross between müde (tired) and wütend (furious). “No to masks, then yes,” she wrote on her Facebook page. “No to rapid tests, then it can’t happen fast enough. Schools opened, then closed, then opened again. First there’s not enough PPE, then not enough vaccines. No one can stand all this political vacillation any more.”

No, this can't  be true. Its only Boris and the U.K. that has these problems. Everywhere else follows the science and people live in a golden glow of sweetness and light. That must be true because I heard it on this thread.👍

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4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I went to an owl sanctuary once. They had no owls. I asked the owner where are the owls?

He said they didn't have any right now but his wife has got some great t I t s

They had a SuperB owl in the US last month.

 

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I did some quick maths for the lads:

Poor EU vaccine rollout + A bit of corruption in Germany = Brexit is still sh!te.

Hope that helps.😉

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Look over the channel not at our own government.

 

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National

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Local

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All quiet on the City Centre Western Front

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Half a million jabs and Jab 2 daily total now exceeds Jab 1 for the first time.

 

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41 minutes ago, kick it off said:

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Yes we've only got to look back 12 weeks to early January when first dose numbers were properly ramped up for the first time, so clearly we'll have to give plenty of 2nd doses every day from here onwards & for now we'll have fewer first doses than previously, going into April.  Hopefully total numbers will be ramped up before too long and we'll get back to a serious number of first doses again.

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Things looking very grim in France

"French President Emmanuel Macron has announced that the country will be placed into lockdown for a month, starting from Saturday.

After a surge in cases, with the country approaching 100,0000 deaths, non essential shops will be shut and a curfew will be imposed between 7pm and 6am across the mainland.

Schoolchildren will go back to remote learning for a week and then have a two week spring holiday. Travel will be limited and people will be required to work from home.

It was a humiliating U-turn for the French president, who had ignored the pleas of his scientific advisors to close up the country in January. 

Mr Macron blamed the UK variant for the acceleration in cases, calling it an "epidemic within an epidemic"."

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4 hours ago, ricardo said:

No, this can't  be true. Its only Boris and the U.K. that has these problems. Everywhere else follows the science and people live in a golden glow of sweetness and light. That must be true because I heard it on this thread.👍

Are you sure you heard it? Shielding has a lot to answer for😁

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10 hours ago, Well b back said:

The older voters probably won’t want to go out so will use postal voting which depending on who wins may or may not be hit with fraud allegations lol

On a more serious note, you and Sonyc could persuade to vote Green as my son is.

I wouldn't want to persuade anyone WBB! Whilst I do feel there have been particular mistakes in the pandemic (supporting Cummings, delaying decisions and general blustering ....and I would add in the question of large contracts too - cronyism?) I am also able to see that this epidemic has held the trump card on many occasions and other world leaders have tried to respond and  have also been 'behind the curve'

I have been more impressed with the scientist community (the experts the likes of Gove used to denigrate).

More damning perhaps for me is how under Johnson the administration moved to prorogue parliament,  a question of whether he has broken the ministerial code, the lack of action to sanction members of his own cabinet (just taking the bullying allegation as one example and there are others), the lack of a government spokesperson on programmes such as Newsnight (must have been over a year now...that is plain pathetic), the hubris over Brexit and ever-rampant and creeping nationalism, the moves to curtail protest and of late, the musings about the BBC (I've always been a fan and may be old-fashioned). Through all of this , somehow all the stories emerging this week about his adultery are not a surprise. 

You have to be an idealist to be a green to some extent. If we were to get a different way to elect our government as @TheGunnShow has so well outlined on other threads then we may have more voices, more checks and a more adult / mature national administration. I think the pluses far outweigh the negatives. 

I get the sense that this current lot will be seen in quite a bad light even in a few years time. I might be wrong. The polls tell me i am anyway. May we live in interesting times eh! Good for your son though. Mine are both green leaning as are their partners. Mrs S too. Though, I very much doubt I will ever see a green government in my lifetime. 

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Randomized Testing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/fewer-quarter-covid-symptoms-request-test-uk-study

Fewer than a quarter with Covid symptoms request test, UK study finds

Saw this this morning and it simply reemphasizes why the confirmed tests numbers are NOT a good indicator (trends perhaps) of the true prevalence of Covid in the community. 

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44 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Randomized Testing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/fewer-quarter-covid-symptoms-request-test-uk-study

Fewer than a quarter with Covid symptoms request test, UK study finds

Saw this this morning and it simply reemphasizes why the confirmed tests numbers are NOT a good indicator (trends perhaps) of the true prevalence of Covid in the community. 

Yeh a disturbingly low figure, as you say indicative of trends but as we know the randomised ONS figures are the ones to really watch out for.

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the more staggering figure was that around half of those surveyed couldn't identify the 3 key symptoms... its been a year of them drilled into us and still people don't get it! Whatever side of the debate you're on, that's sheer ignorance

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