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31 minutes ago, ricardo said:

They seem to have cheerleaders everywhere.ūüėČ

I'm expecting to see one of those artificial island on Scroby Sands soon.ūüėĀ

Hinkley point but you never know with Sizewell 

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2 hours ago, Well b back said:

Maybe because the EU didn’t buy any.

As you know, the EU tried but were rebuffed with a glib reply, and then Novavax funnily enough agreed to supply the  UK with 60 million doses instead, and also to situate the bottle and filling inside the non-protectionist UK, as they know that the non red-taping and free-trading UK will not invoke crazy export bans.  

That's what you get when you threaten to ban EU resident vaccine plants from exporting to fulfil legal contractual orders that the EU were late in placing..... ūü§ó.¬†¬†¬† Companies are now reviewing their supply chains and the EU will be a massive loser.¬† ūü§£

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1 hour ago, Well b back said:

The main story will be was it best to back old technologies or the new MRNA technologies, or were they equal. 

I dont want to be pedantic and I stand to be corrected but if be 'old technologies' you mean adenovirus vector vaccine I think that either the AZ vaccine or sputnik was the very first to be licenced.

Don't underestimate the breakthrough made by all vaccine companies here

 

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1 hour ago, ricardo said:

They seem to have cheerleaders everywhere.ūüėČ

I'm expecting to see one of those artificial island on Scroby Sands soon.ūüėĀ

I went on holiday to China. I had had enough after a week but a month later I wanted to go again.

 

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38 minutes ago, paul moy said:

As you know, the EU tried but were rebuffed with a glib reply, and then Novavax funnily enough agreed to supply the  UK with 60 million doses instead, and also to situate the bottle and filling inside the non-protectionist UK, as they know that the non red-taping and free-trading UK will not invoke crazy export bans.  

That's what you get when you threaten to ban EU resident vaccine plants from exporting to fulfil legal contractual orders that the EU were late in placing..... ūü§ó.¬†¬†¬† Companies are now reviewing their supply chains and the EU will be a massive loser.¬† ūü§£

The UK does not export Covid vaccines.

More fantasy nonsense from Paul Moy.

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Meanwhile, it was a year ago that this happened. And DT is right now furiously trying to spread the blame for what happened on his watch... 

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:

They seem to have cheerleaders everywhere.ūüėČ

I'm expecting to see one of those artificial island on Scroby Sands soon.ūüėĀ

Excellent 

Boris will be able to build his airport ūüėä

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53 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

I dont want to be pedantic and I stand to be corrected but if be 'old technologies' you mean adenovirus vector vaccine I think that either the AZ vaccine or sputnik was the very first to be licenced.

Don't underestimate the breakthrough made by all vaccine companies here

 

The mRNA I believe are actually easier to make - more synthetic.

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20 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The mRNA I believe are actually easier to make - more synthetic.

Is that the one with the mind control chip in it?ūü§Ē

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52 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Is that the one with the mind control chip in it?ūü§Ē

The one you had¬†ūüėČ

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After the 2nd dose you'll know it's working when you have cravings for German beer and sausages.

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

As you know, the EU tried but were rebuffed with a glib reply, and then Novavax funnily enough agreed to supply the  UK with 60 million doses instead, and also to situate the bottle and filling inside the non-protectionist UK, as they know that the non red-taping and free-trading UK will not invoke crazy export bans.  

That's what you get when you threaten to ban EU resident vaccine plants from exporting to fulfil legal contractual orders that the EU were late in placing..... ūü§ó.¬†¬†¬† Companies are now reviewing their supply chains and the EU will be a massive loser.¬† ūü§£

You talk so much s***. 
As has been mentioned you don’t know wether the EU couldn’t have or didn’t want / need as nobody does so don’t lie. Are Poland no longer manufacturing their own Novavax with a loan from somewhere. Why make up total tosh. Pfizer apparently working with the EU have already launched 4 million doses of a vaccine that deals with all current known variants.

You said ‚Äė The EU will not be delivered any Novavax ‚Äė for once you were correct because they never ordered any.

Why are you not attacking the US ?

So despite The EU being behind, do you really have that much hatred in you that you dont want them to get sorted ? Surely it’s in our interests for them to go get sorted ? From 19/4 they have 55 million Johnson and Johnson coming in ( 110 million of any other vaccine ) huge Pfizer and Moderna deliveries. AZ has failed on deliveries to lots of countries and China and Russia have stepped in, that includes Covax, which reminds me where’s my link ?

Any news on Alex Belfield ?

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Companies are now reviewing their supply chains
 

They certainly are they are upping them, where the hell do you think 2 billion doses could be made at the drop of a hat ? Wrexham ? That magic vaccine tree ? Has all this happened since 26/3 I thought the US and EU agreed to move forward together ?

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

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1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

The one you had¬†ūüėČ

Fortunately I was wearing kryptonite underpants at the time so the chip didn't activateūüėČ

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More bad news unfortunately for AZ.

Canada firstly suspend giving vaccine to under 55’s and now Germany have suspended to under 60’s. This follows more data on a rare blood clot that seems to appear in 1 in 100,000 younger people, not 1 in 1 million as was shown to the EMA.

Dont shoot the messenger please.

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12 minutes ago, Well b back said:

More bad news unfortunately for AZ.

Canada firstly suspend giving vaccine to under 55’s and now Germany have suspended to under 60’s. This follows more data on a rare blood clot that seems to appear in 1 in 100,000 younger people, not 1 in 1 million as was shown to the EMA.

Dont shoot the messenger please.

I’m not sure I really care anymore, we are fighting a pandemic with amazingly successful vaccines, let others make their own decisions. Over half of our population have antibodies, fantastic news for the UK. If the Germans now have some spare vaccine perhaps they could send it over!

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From what I read the risk benefit ratio for the AZ vaccine still is hugely in favour of its use, if there are alternative options for younger women then consider those.

Not yet peer reviewed and remember the benefits still outweigh the risk:

 

This study summarizes the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients who exhibited blood clotting events following vaccination with AstraZeneca‚Äôs COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222). The researchers suggest that these events resemble a known disorder ‚Äď heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) ‚Äď which is treatable if identified promptly. At the time of this posting, the World Health Organization maintains that the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh its risks and recommends that vaccinations continue. The authors disclose conflicts of interest, including personal fees from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.

Background. Vaccines are important for managing the COVID-19 pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. However, following widespread vaccination using a recombinant adenoviral vector encoding the spike protein antigen of SARS-CoV-2 (AZD1222, AstraZeneca), reports have emerged of some vaccine recipients developing unusual thrombotic events and thrombocytopenia. We investigated whether such patients could have a prothrombotic disorder caused by platelet-activating antibodies directed against platelet factor 4 (PF4), as is known to be caused by heparin and sometimes other environmental triggers.

Methods. We summarized the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients in Germany and Austria who developed thrombosis and thrombocytopenia events following AZD1222 vaccination. Serum from four patients was used to test for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies, both by immunoassay and by platelet activation assays performed in the presence of heparin, PF4, or both.

Results. The 9 patients (8 female; median age, 36 [range, 22‚ÄĒ49) presented with thrombosis beginning 4 to 16 days post-vaccination: 7 patients had cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT), 1 had pulmonary embolism, and 1 had splanchnic vein thrombosis and CVT; 4 patients died. None had received heparin prior to symptom onset.¬†All four patients tested strongly positive for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies by immunoassay; all 4 patients tested strongly positive in the platelet activation assay in the presence of PF4 independently of heparin. Platelet activation was inhibited by high concentrations of heparin, Fc receptor-blocking monoclonal antibody, and intravenous immunoglobulin.

Conclusions. The AZD1222 vaccine is associated with development of a prothrombotic disorder that clinically resembles heparin-induced thrombocytopenia but which shows a different serological profile.

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13 hours ago, Well b back said:

I will both agree and disagree, I don’t think it’s Africa necessarily you need to worry about, where AstraZeneca have been unable to supply Covax in Africa China and Russia have stepped in. Unfortunately that’s not the only areas where deliveries are failing, Brazil,Mexico, Argentina, Pakistan, Hungary,Serbia and so the list goes on as AstraZeneca are unable to get their exports out of India and The US. Russia simply gave so much away they are now having to export in from countries like Indonesia who also manufacture Sputnik. America and China have bought up most the materials required.

 

Sounds like Angela and Emanuel were on the blower to Vlad last night, incoming Sputnik!

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Sounds like Angela and Emanuel were on the blower to Vlad last night, incoming Sputnik!

 

10 hours ago, Van wink said:

From what I read the risk benefit ratio for the AZ vaccine still is hugely in favour of its use, if there are alternative options for younger women then consider those.

Not yet peer reviewed and remember the benefits still outweigh the risk:

 

This study summarizes the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients who exhibited blood clotting events following vaccination with AstraZeneca‚Äôs COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222). The researchers suggest that these events resemble a known disorder ‚Äď heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) ‚Äď which is treatable if identified promptly. At the time of this posting, the World Health Organization maintains that the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh its risks and recommends that vaccinations continue. The authors disclose conflicts of interest, including personal fees from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.

Background. Vaccines are important for managing the COVID-19 pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. However, following widespread vaccination using a recombinant adenoviral vector encoding the spike protein antigen of SARS-CoV-2 (AZD1222, AstraZeneca), reports have emerged of some vaccine recipients developing unusual thrombotic events and thrombocytopenia. We investigated whether such patients could have a prothrombotic disorder caused by platelet-activating antibodies directed against platelet factor 4 (PF4), as is known to be caused by heparin and sometimes other environmental triggers.

Methods. We summarized the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients in Germany and Austria who developed thrombosis and thrombocytopenia events following AZD1222 vaccination. Serum from four patients was used to test for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies, both by immunoassay and by platelet activation assays performed in the presence of heparin, PF4, or both.

Results. The 9 patients (8 female; median age, 36 [range, 22‚ÄĒ49) presented with thrombosis beginning 4 to 16 days post-vaccination: 7 patients had cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT), 1 had pulmonary embolism, and 1 had splanchnic vein thrombosis and CVT; 4 patients died. None had received heparin prior to symptom onset.¬†All four patients tested strongly positive for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies by immunoassay; all 4 patients tested strongly positive in the platelet activation assay in the presence of PF4 independently of heparin. Platelet activation was inhibited by high concentrations of heparin, Fc receptor-blocking monoclonal antibody, and intravenous immunoglobulin.

Conclusions. The AZD1222 vaccine is associated with development of a prothrombotic disorder that clinically resembles heparin-induced thrombocytopenia but which shows a different serological profile.

 

This is all very sad for AZ.

A few observations -

1. The risk / benefit is still hugely in favour of AZ.

2. The European 'caution' has been justified (Why hasn't the MHRA found it ?)

3. My instinct tells me that the other vaccines may well have likely similar rare issues as the data becomes available.

4. The UK / US / and now Indian 'hoarding' is a political disaster if these countries intend to morally 'lead' the world. China and Russia are simply eating their lunch and painting these countries in the darkest most selfish light.  

 

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11 hours ago, Van wink said:

From what I read the risk benefit ratio for the AZ vaccine still is hugely in favour of its use, if there are alternative options for younger women then consider those.

Not yet peer reviewed and remember the benefits still outweigh the risk:

 

This study summarizes the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients who exhibited blood clotting events following vaccination with AstraZeneca‚Äôs COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222). The researchers suggest that these events resemble a known disorder ‚Äď heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) ‚Äď which is treatable if identified promptly. At the time of this posting, the World Health Organization maintains that the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh its risks and recommends that vaccinations continue. The authors disclose conflicts of interest, including personal fees from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.

Background. Vaccines are important for managing the COVID-19 pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. However, following widespread vaccination using a recombinant adenoviral vector encoding the spike protein antigen of SARS-CoV-2 (AZD1222, AstraZeneca), reports have emerged of some vaccine recipients developing unusual thrombotic events and thrombocytopenia. We investigated whether such patients could have a prothrombotic disorder caused by platelet-activating antibodies directed against platelet factor 4 (PF4), as is known to be caused by heparin and sometimes other environmental triggers.

Methods. We summarized the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients in Germany and Austria who developed thrombosis and thrombocytopenia events following AZD1222 vaccination. Serum from four patients was used to test for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies, both by immunoassay and by platelet activation assays performed in the presence of heparin, PF4, or both.

Results. The 9 patients (8 female; median age, 36 [range, 22‚ÄĒ49) presented with thrombosis beginning 4 to 16 days post-vaccination: 7 patients had cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT), 1 had pulmonary embolism, and 1 had splanchnic vein thrombosis and CVT; 4 patients died. None had received heparin prior to symptom onset.¬†All four patients tested strongly positive for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies by immunoassay; all 4 patients tested strongly positive in the platelet activation assay in the presence of PF4 independently of heparin. Platelet activation was inhibited by high concentrations of heparin, Fc receptor-blocking monoclonal antibody, and intravenous immunoglobulin.

Conclusions. The AZD1222 vaccine is associated with development of a prothrombotic disorder that clinically resembles heparin-induced thrombocytopenia but which shows a different serological profile.

I guess this is the initial report re Denmark ? The new concerns are 31 ( mainly young females ) and apparently in life this is a very rare type of clot. 
Thanks VW
My comments are questions so please certain posters do not say I said this that and the other.

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2 hours ago, Van wink said:

Sounds like Angela and Emanuel were on the blower to Vlad last night, incoming Sputnik!

Sought of doesn’t shock me and surprised if they had not already had a pre authorisation order in. 
 

 

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4 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Sought of doesn’t shock me and surprised if they had not already had a pre authorisation order in. 
 

 

On the same day they limit use of an adenovirus vector vaccine  they buy an adenovirus vector vaccine. That's the sort of joined-up thinking we all need!

On which point it is worth noting the official European view is as follows

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots

This thread was in danger of becoming a conspiracy-led anti vax site where a snippet of a theory or a truth becomes a lot more than it should be.

I'm not saying there is or is not a problem (I put the report here for balance). I am saying leave the extrapolations to the experts.

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15 hours ago, Surfer said:

Meanwhile, it was a year ago that this happened. And DT is right now furiously trying to spread the blame for what happened on his watch... 

Virus Expelled .jpg

Trump Virus.jpg

I'm still quite worried about where we are Surfer. I read WBB's reports with interest on the US and how protectionist they are / have been (like everywhere it seems). In my inbox this morning (New York Times) was this article. Copied just the start of it as its behind a paywall. JUst have to hope that the vaccines are effective in preventing hospitalisations. It may be a wait yet til we know better of course. 

 

A surge of coronavirus cases in the U.S.

The United States is ramping up the pace of vaccinations, with most states rapidly expanding eligibility, but the spread of coronavirus variants paired with loosening restrictions in states such as Florida and Texas, both overwhelmed by the virus, are threatening to reverse progress.

After weeks of decline followed by a plateau, the numbers of coronavirus cases seem to be rising again in the U.S. Over the past week, there has been an average of 65,385 cases per day, an increase of 19 percent from the average two weeks earlier.

A total of 39 states are set to open eligibility for Covid-19 vaccines to all adults by mid-April, with Arkansas, Delaware and Wisconsin the latest to join the list. Federal health officials are pleading with Americans to stay vigilant.

President Biden on Monday urged state leaders to keep certain restrictions in place. ‚ÄúWe are giving up hard-fought, hard-won gains,‚ÄĚ he said

The variants: Experts are concerned about the B.1.1.7 variant, which walloped Britain and is gaining steam in Florida. The U.S. is behind on its attempts to track the variants, as Americans increase their travel for spring and summer holidays.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/barnard-castle-johnson-covid-vaccines-irony-shame

Here is Marina Hyde's latest piece. It's illuminating not for her usual criticism of Boris Johnson and his behaviour(s) but also how Johnson has maintained a lead in the polls. She speaks of just how much the British public apparently hasn't minded too much about the management by the government throughout the pandemic. Possibly because there has been a 'needs must' response, possibly because no other administration would have fared better, possibly because of a belief in the vaccination oversight? Or possibly because folk do not change their allegiances because they could never vote for another party. I'm guessing quite a number here feel the same. The depressing thing for me is how far and how low the standards of public office have fallen and it is all pretty much okay. Hyde touches on this aspect very well I think.

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2 hours ago, Well b back said:

I guess this is the initial report re Denmark ? The new concerns are 31 ( mainly young females ) and apparently in life this is a very rare type of clot. 
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Germany and Austria it says in the report?

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2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

 

This is all very sad for AZ.

A few observations -

1. The risk / benefit is still hugely in favour of AZ.

2. The European 'caution' has been justified (Why hasn't the MHRA found it ?)

3. My instinct tells me that the other vaccines may well have likely similar rare issues as the data becomes available.

4. The UK / US / and now Indian 'hoarding' is a political disaster if these countries intend to morally 'lead' the world. China and Russia are simply eating their lunch and painting these countries in the darkest most selfish light.  

 

Not at all, but all very sad for EU citizens who in my view need vaccination urgently, and this will cost thousands of needless loss of life.  Purely political, I reiterate.

... and point 4..... why are you so concerned about hoarding, which it is not actually, when the vaccine is deemed dangerous in the EU  ?   strange logic indeed.   

 

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45 minutes ago, sonyc said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/barnard-castle-johnson-covid-vaccines-irony-shame

Here is Marina Hyde's latest piece. It's illuminating not for her usual criticism of Boris Johnson and his behaviour(s) but also how Johnson has maintained a lead in the polls. She speaks of just how much the British public apparently hasn't minded too much about the management by the government throughout the pandemic. Possibly because there has been a 'needs must' response, possibly because no other administration would have fared better, possibly because of a belief in the vaccination oversight? Or possibly because folk do not change their allegiances because they could never vote for another party. I'm guessing quite a number here feel the same. The depressing thing for me is how far and how low the standards of public office have fallen and it is all pretty much okay. Hyde touches on this aspect very well I think.

Possibly where the polls are a bit out of cync are people like me, my family and several of my friends. As you know I have voted Tory all my life, but would I ever vote for a Tory party led by Johnson ( or a particular group ) absolutely not, will I vote Tory in the next general election depends on the answer to my previous point. However would I vote Labour, probably yes in the May Elections, could I see myself voting Labour in a General election ? Thought I could when Starmer took over but probably not now, so if Johnson in charge ( which I don’t he will be ) not sure who it would be for.

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3 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Possibly where the polls are a bit out of cync are people like me, my family and several of my friends. As you know I have voted Tory all my life, but would I ever vote for a Tory party led by Johnson ( or a particular group ) absolutely not, will I vote Tory in the next general election depends on the answer to my previous point. However would I vote Labour, probably yes in the May Elections, could I see myself voting Labour in a General election ? Thought I could when Starmer took over but probably not now, so if Johnson in charge ( which I don’t he will be ) not sure who it would be for.

Very honest response WBB (as usual). Fair play. Where I am a Green vote is a bit wasted (and we have Phillip Daviesūüėź).

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4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Not at all, but all very sad for EU citizens who in my view need vaccination urgently, and this will cost thousands of needless loss of life.  Purely political, I reiterate.

... and point 4..... why are you so concerned about hoarding, which it is not actually, when the vaccine is deemed dangerous in the EU  ?   strange logic indeed.   

 

So you don’t think the US having 100 million doses of AZ that they are unlikely to use and they are keeping just in case is not hoarding. That’s really interesting. This is a world problem not a specific EU problem.
Where’s my link ?

Hows Alex today ?

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5 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Very honest response WBB (as usual). Fair play. Where I am a Green vote is a bit wasted (and we have Phillip Daviesūüėź).

I might consider a green vote general election, but I have to say in May I need my protest to be noted.

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