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14 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Did it savage your tomatoes?

I'd be more concerned if it savaged his plums

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Bit of a surprise, welcome if proven

"The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine no longer needs to be kept at super-cold temperatures, new results suggest, a development which will make it considerably easier to distribute in the UK and internationally.   

According to the updated stability data, which has been submitted to regulators in the United States, the vaccine can be kept in a normal medical freezer at between -15C and -25C for as long as two weeks. 

Previously, the vaccine - which uses mRNA technology and was the first in the world to be approved, by UK regulators - had to be “deep frozen” at between -60C and -80C, temperatures colder than the Antarctic winter.

The vaccine’s instability has been a major hurdle for distribution efforts. Doses are shipped in specially-designed containers that must be topped up with dry ice every five days and, once it arrives at a clinic, it can be kept in a fridge for only five days."

thing is VW, you get what is there, no choice available.

 

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1 minute ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

thing is VW, you get what is there, no choice available.

 

A massive logistical boost if correct. My GP had both vaccines available the day I had mine, but it wasnt pick and choose 😀

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without certification that you had your first and second jab, you can never proof that you have been vaccinated, a stamp on your notification paper, and or in your passport, would be one simple way of doing it. Blairs suggestion is wrong asit creates the need for another bureaucratic solution which will cost us.

 

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7 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

without certification that you had your first and second jab, you can never proof that you have been vaccinated, a stamp on your notification paper, and or in your passport, would be one simple way of doing it. Blairs suggestion is wrong asit creates the need for another bureaucratic solution which will cost us.

 

Couldn’t people just get a simple doctor’s note as and when they need it, three months before a holiday or something? Presumably they’ve got it on record?

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1 minute ago, Aggy said:

Couldn’t people just get a simple doctor’s note as and when they need it, three months before a holiday or something? Presumably they’ve got it on record?

my GP has shoved me on to a large national vaccination site, will he really be informed by them, or is it our responsibility to do so?

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23 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

my GP has shoved me on to a large national vaccination site, will he really be informed by them, or is it our responsibility to do so?

Not sure. Would have thought they probably ought to be telling your GPs/updating your general health records, but I’ve got a feeling you don’t have any record of school jabs so maybe they don’t.

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16 minutes ago, Aggy said:

Not sure. Would have thought they probably ought to be telling your GPs/updating your general health records, but I’ve got a feeling you don’t have any record of school jabs so maybe they don’t.

Mine is on my NHS record which I can access online.

There is so much data collection taking place in this vaccination program for all sorts of purposes I would be amazed if your vaccine isn’t recorded against your patient info on the NHS data base

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2 hours ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

my GP has shoved me on to a large national vaccination site, will he really be informed by them, or is it our responsibility to do so?

I believe it’s a national NHS database which is linked to all Surgeries 

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14 hours ago, CANARYKING said:

I believe it’s a national NHS database which is linked to all Surgeries 

I'm  not so sure. I had my jab at a mass site and then got a letter from my surgery a week later. 

Mind you, my surgery is notorious for its terrible admin.

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here's an interesting article from the Telegraph. The study size is small but take from it what you will.

Glasses wearers are up to three times less likely to catch Covid-19, a study has found.

Touching the face, nose, mouth and eyes after coming into contact with the virus could lead to infection, but people who wear glasses rub their eyes less, according to researchers in India.

They estimate this makes them two to three times less likely of being infected, as "repeated touching and rubbing of the eyes" with contaminated hands may be a "significant route" of transmission.

The researchers studied 304 people (223 male, 81 female) in a hospital in northern India between August 26 and September 8.  They were aged between 10 and 80 and all reported Covid-19 symptoms.

The participants filled out questionnaires about their vision and glasses-wearing habits. Some 19 per cent reported wearing glasses most of the time.

"An individual has the habit of touching his own face on average 23 times in an hour and his eyes on average three times per hour," the study states.

"The present study showed that the risk of Covid-19 was about two to three times less in spectacles wearing population than the population not wearing those."

The researchers said tear ducts could be the route of  transmission of the virus, carrying it into the nasal cavity.

They said those who wear glasses for more than eight hours a day were least likely to catch the virus.

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Getting through the second doses quickly now too. Well done to the NHS and all involved. 👍

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16 minutes ago, Herman said:

Getting through the second doses quickly now too. Well done to the NHS and all involved. 👍

Yes they seem to have ramped it up a bit despite the good data coming in for delaying both AZ and Pfizer.

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5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Yes they seem to have ramped it up a bit despite the good data coming in for delaying both AZ and Pfizer.

Maybe they know something we dont. Anyway good that you're no longer hugging the guzzunder, all that stress aint good for nobody 😀

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1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

Its good but hard to swallow that Blair suggested it.

Yeh I remeber the interview well, today program radio 4 when he first mentioned it, maybe he has something on his consience making him feel a need to preserve life.      

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7 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

there are two different meanings for pr..k so why does the bot moderating not recognise this, we are talking of vaccinating, not members.

😀

Luckily your doctor wasn't **** Van **** of S****horpe.

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15 hours ago, Van wink said:

Yeh I remeber the interview well, today program radio 4 when he first mentioned it, maybe he has something on his consience making him feel a need to preserve life.      

Absolutely nothing to do with Tony Blair or Johnson regards the Oxford Vaccine it was how it was presented to the MHRA that Oxford felt the missing bit of their jigsaw was an 8 - 12 week gap. This was discovered during the trial by accident and Oxford-AstraZeneca said they would release the Lancet paper as soon as they had more cases which was done yesterday via a Lancet paper. The Lancet paper is available on the internet showing it brings efficacy up.

The decision was taken to do the same with Pfizer, where the jury is out as there is no data yet. The data from Israel is based on dose 2 being given 3 weeks after dose 1 and it is 99.96 effective 2 weeks after the 2nd dose. Hopefully the same will apply for the second dose being delayed.

It is important that Oxford second dose is taken 8 -  12 weeks after the first dose, and always has been. The new efficacy is confirmed at 76% an increase from the original 62% which was exactly as expected ( although it was hoped it would be higher ). 

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The latest Israeli data shows that Pfizer is far more effective than the trials suggested. The efficacy 2 weeks after dose 2 was an overall figure of in excess of 98%. 
Crowds are now allowed back at 75% capacity ( subject to a max 500 ).

In Turkey where a similar scheme is run using Sovac ( Chinese vaccine ) it is becoming so successful they are aiming to open up again at the end of March. That efficacy is showing the same sort of results in the field.

Begining to look better around the world.

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As at yesterday 202, 354, 341 doses had been administered. 88 countries are now vaccinating. The supply is visibly moving up every day.

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1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Absolutely nothing to do with Tony Blair or Johnson regards the Oxford Vaccine it was how it was presented to the MHRA that Oxford felt the missing bit of their jigsaw was an 8 - 12 week gap. This was discovered during the trial by accident and Oxford-AstraZeneca said they would release the Lancet paper as soon as they had more cases which was done yesterday via a Lancet paper. The Lancet paper is available on the internet showing it brings efficacy up.

The decision was taken to do the same with Pfizer, where the jury is out as there is no data yet. The data from Israel is based on dose 2 being given 3 weeks after dose 1 and it is 99.96 effective 2 weeks after the 2nd dose. Hopefully the same will apply for the second dose being delayed.

It is important that Oxford second dose is taken 8 -  12 weeks after the first dose, and always has been. The new efficacy is confirmed at 76% an increase from the original 62% which was exactly as expected ( although it was hoped it would be higher ). 

Blair actually propsed a one vaccine stategy, pretty much end of, dont waste vaccine giving it to people twice was his view.😀

 Oxford had MHRA approval for a 4 to 12 week interval I believe, the decision was made to administer second dose towards the end of the 12 week schedule.

Pfizer was proposed 3 to 12 weeks by the JVC I believe and recommendation taken on board by the government and again administered towards the end of the schedule, in the face of a lot of quite warranted critisim, but data coming though would seem to support the decision made, we of course await a definitive view.

I'm pleased we made these decisions, many have been made in error  during the pandemic but this one was correct IMHO.

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4 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Blair actually propsed a one vaccine stategy, pretty much end of, dont waste vaccine giving it to people twice was his view.😀

 Oxford had MHRA approval for a 4 to 12 week interval I believe, the decision was made to administer second dose towards the end of the 12 week schedule.

Pfizer was proposed 3 to 12 weeks by the JVC I believe and recommendation taken on board by the government and again administered towards the end of the schedule, in the face of a lot of quite warranted critisim, but data coming though would seem to support the decision made, we of course await a definitive view.

I'm pleased we made these decisions, many have been made in error  during the pandemic but this one was correct IMHO.

Sorry with the Oxford vaccine it was based on data, unless Andrew Pollard lied to the world. You will note all approvals for Oxford-AstraZeneca are 8 - 12 weeks not just the U.K. 

As was known at the time because of an accident with the dosing the reason it was not so effective was either, a smaller dose first, or a delay to 8 - 12 weeks the latter the most likely.

 

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