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1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Perhaps now a look at islamophohia that was promised during the Tory leadership debate? Or will this issue manage to stay in the background?

This is exactly how this will eventually play out much nearer the next election. I suspect the Tories are feeling quite uncomfortable at present. Keep their heads down.

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Bound to ruffle a few feathers.

More support for anti lockdown.

watch, enjoy, discuss

 

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No ruffling here. Enjoyed listening to that. Ireland a bit like Norfolk though in terms of rurality? Good perspective though.

Chimes with articles I've read about the effect of lockdowns (minimal or negative). Have restrictions helped though in levelling off?

"Other impacts" is another important point he makes (and I have to state I spent 25 years supporting people with depression and anxiety directly so no need to convince me of the importance of this agenda)

Overall......I don't know! 

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13 minutes ago, sonyc said:

No ruffling here. Enjoyed listening to that. Ireland a bit like Norfolk though in terms of rurality? Good perspective though.

Chimes with articles I've read about the effect of lockdowns (minimal or negative). Have restrictions helped though in levelling off?

"Other impacts" is another important point he makes (and I have to state I spent 25 years supporting people with depression and anxiety directly so no need to convince me of the importance of this agenda)

Overall......I don't know! 

Time will tell⏳

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Nice one Ricardo, if at least the Goverment didn’t learn much at least most of us on here have and we now discuss rather slate.

Again a good listen and have to say yesterday I was certain we would not move to a National lockdown, today I feel we are. Our neighbours in Birmingham have just been told to prepare for tier 3, best guess ( and it is only a guess ) anything North of Coventry in England will be in tier 3 within 2 weeks, however I have no idea if some measures will work and others will come out. Here’s is my take, up here it is a tsunami and I think down South you are a bit like England to France 2 weeks behind. 
Now this is where we probably differ, I see it up here all over the place, in Norfolk you probably wonder what all this fuss is about. In Norfolk you will say we haven’t got it so we don’t need restrictions, here I will say please do not allow this to take hold and ravage your area.

This will become political as well, believe me when I say Boris has lost the North and following on from that he isn’t going to risk losing the South. I think I am now like Sonyc whereas I can now see the for and against ( even if I lean slightly to my side ) but because of that I have no idea what he will do next, let alone what is best. 

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More non sensational stuff from the horses mouth from prof Tim Spencer of the ZOE app.

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/coronavirus-futile-and-immoral-to-seek-herd-immunity-says-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist/ar-BB1avFtO?ocid=msedgntp

It is futile and immoral to seek herd immunity as a protection from a pandemic, and the transmission of an infectious disease like Covid-19 cannot be fully halted without a vaccine, Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has said.

 

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7 minutes ago, horsefly said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/coronavirus-futile-and-immoral-to-seek-herd-immunity-says-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist/ar-BB1avFtO?ocid=msedgntp

It is futile and immoral to seek herd immunity as a protection from a pandemic, and the transmission of an infectious disease like Covid-19 cannot be fully halted without a vaccine, Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has said.

 

You don't need to seek it. Thanks to continued exposure a level of immunity will be occurring naturally and as with every other virus in history it will eventually reach a low level. Even a vaccine won't irradicate it entirely, it will become just another hazzard that the human race will learn to live with.

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35 minutes ago, ricardo said:

More non sensational stuff from the horses mouth from prof Tim Spencer of the ZOE app.

 

Thanks for this Ricky, I have more time for this guy than any of the other experts, including those on SAGE. Was this posted by him today, if not when👍

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27 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Thanks for this Ricky, I have more time for this guy than any of the other experts, including those on SAGE. Was this posted by him today, if not when👍

Yes, posted this afternoon.

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Just now, ricardo said:

Yes, posted this afternoon.

Thanks, I think we all should get a lift from that in the context of in an otherwise depressing day ( apart from the lynching of course ). 😉

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5 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Thanks, I think we all should get a lift from that in the context of in an otherwise depressing day ( apart from the lynching of course ). 😉

Unfortunately the economic forecast from the IMF is not so encouraging. UK to shrink by 10.4% this year but recover 5.7% in 2021. Not great news for all of us but probably what we expected.

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Testing capacity appears to be rocketing, now 467k

308k  tests

23065 - 280         7days ago 21242       14 days ago  18980

definite signs of a levelling off here

 

Inpatients  10308    up 780,   big rise since yesterday

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European. 

Italy           24991 - 205  highest yet     

France      36437 - 244

Spain        19765 - 168      

Germany  16202 - 91 highest in Germany so far?

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Not been in a pub since March and very careful in socially distanced restuarants, outside if possible.

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58 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Testing capacity appears to be rocketing, now 467k

308k  tests

23065 - 280         7days ago 21242       14 days ago  18980

definite signs of a levelling off here

 

Inpatients  10308    up 780,   big rise since yesterday

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European. 

Italy           24991 - 205  highest yet     

France      36437 - 244

Spain        19765 - 168      

Germany  16202 - 91 highest in Germany so far?

Yes thats a record  high for a daily positive count for Germany  Ricardo. I know you stick to the nearest  and mostly biggest nations close to us to keep  it simple  for daily comparison, but some big  positive numbers coming thru elsewhere in Europe, Poland today  having 20k new cases , 1st time theyve hit 20k  maybe?...and Belgium...once again shocking  and in a league of their own sadly, over 21k  new cases today, for a nation with 11 mill population...a  comparison figure for UK would be about 130k  cases a day reported.

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40 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Not been in a pub since March and very careful in socially distanced restuarants, outside if possible.

Keep away from the shouty person in the restaurant, you know who he is 😉

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52 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Wow !  I must admit I and my family went to a nice restaurant on the NN coast a couple of weeks back and although the tables were reasonably well spaced apart, there were serving staff and other customers walking between them and we felt a bit uncomfortable so asked if they could move us somewhere quieter.  After a bit of discussion they laid a table for us in a separate room which was empty otherwise, so we were kept totally away from the other guests and just had the serving staff bringing our food (all wearing masks).  That felt much more comfortable and we were able to relax and completely enjoy the meal.  Having read this article I'm really glad we did !!

 

No more dinner outings planned at the moment, the earliest will be January now I think.

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5 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

However, to say that local authorities have extremely successful contact tracing  systems in place for this context is stretching it.  Local authorities do great work on some pathogens (and a key role on food poisoning etc) and NHS sti contact tracing is a mature system but are you really saying that any local authority had an airborne pandemic solution kit ready to take off the shelf if only they were asked?

No I didn't say any of that, I said we had very successful pre-existing systems in place for contact tracing, which we had, and the Directors of Public Health had realistic plans and offered to scale them up to handle the contact tracing in their area. It was the approach recommended by virtually all the public health experts and the government ignored it - even now months after they've finally acknowledged the national system is failing and accepting that it must be done locally (or so they say) the government is still denying the cash to local government to do the job properly whilst continuing to shower Serco et al with ridiculous amounts of public money.

I'm not saying that it would have been 100% successful but it would have undoubtedly been light years ahead of the government's shambles. The sad thing is that IMO had we had a competent contact tracing system in place 3 or 4 months ago, which was entirely possible, then it may be that the policy of local lockdowns would have had a chance of succeeding.

But that ship has now sailed and whether it is the de facto version currently rolling across the country or another full blown u-turn by Johnson with a comprehensive version, national lockdown appears to be on the way.

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37 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Keep away from the shouty person in the restaurant, you know who he is 😉

Not wishing to be party pooper - but presently the schools have been on half-term for a week (or more).

In Europe at least the schools returning has been considered one of the big reasons CV came back with such a rush.

Hence all things considered we should expect a slow down at least in cases as at present - that and more and more people in T2 and T3 as well (We will ignore that this would of been a excellent time for the circuit break).

What happens next week (and the week after) when the schools are back? Will they be able to stay open with increasing cases and hence staff / pupil / bubble quanantines ? I'm not so sure. 

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8 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

Not wishing to be party pooper - but presently the schools have been on half-term for a week (or more).

In Europe at least the schools returning has been considered one of the big reasons CV came back with such a rush.

Hence all things considered we should expect a slow down at least in cases as at present - that and more and more people in T2 and T3 as well (We will ignore that this would of been a excellent time for the circuit break).

What happens next week (and the week after) when the schools are back? Will they be able to stay open with increasing cases and hence staff / pupil / bubble quanantines ? I'm not so sure. 

Well you know what I would say to that.

From the link I posted, which is being shared widely within the NHS and hopefully education communities, it’s the teachers that appear to be presenting the greatest risk.

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43 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Wow !  I must admit I and my family went to a nice restaurant on the NN coast a couple of weeks back and although the tables were reasonably well spaced apart, there were serving staff and other customers walking between them and we felt a bit uncomfortable so asked if they could move us somewhere quieter.  After a bit of discussion they laid a table for us in a separate room which was empty otherwise, so we were kept totally away from the other guests and just had the serving staff bringing our food (all wearing masks).  That felt much more comfortable and we were able to relax and completely enjoy the meal.  Having read this article I'm really glad we did !!

 

No more dinner outings planned at the moment, the earliest will be January now I think.

As Ricardo has said, we all need to do our own risk assessment, don’t rely on proprietors doing that for you, I would very much doubt that there will be anywhere open in January.

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4 hours ago, sonyc said:

Perhaps now a look at islamophohia that was promised during the Tory leadership debate? Or will this issue manage to stay in the background?

They're looking closely at Islamaphobia in france today. Three more dead. One lady decapitated.

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8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

As Ricardo has said, we all need to do our own risk assessment, don’t rely on proprietors doing that for you, I would very much doubt that there will be anywhere open in January.

Tier 3 for us from Monday. Announced half an hour ago. Not surprised whatsoever.

25 in mid-September, 150 a week ago and 268 now in Leeds hospitals with Covid.

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7 minutes ago, Van wink said:

As Ricardo has said, we all need to do our own risk assessment, don’t rely on proprietors doing that for you, I would very much doubt that there will be anywhere open in January.

Indeed, those of us who know we are at greater risk need to take greater care. I would love to be able to go to my local pub but it just isn't  worth the risk at the moment.

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