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10 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

If, say, Germany had an all singing app that was proved to be suppressing infection then the criticism should begin...

 

The truth is, that nobody has.

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9 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Lovely Toad in the Hole😉

Indeed, always had a soft spot for their underwear 😀

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22 minutes ago, ricardo said:

The truth is, that nobody has.

The German one gives you a massage and if you are a really good boy............say no more.

 

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1 minute ago, Herman said:

The German one gives you a massage and if you are a really good boy............say no more.

 

Well that’s all well and good but at my age they would need to send out the track and trace team first!

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32 minutes ago, Herman said:

The German one gives you a massage and if you are a really good boy............say no more.

 

Do they give you a big German sausage?

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Germany's comparative success is explained by everyone staying at home and enjoying a top rated massaging app.

I knew there would be a happy ending to this story.

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Just seen some of the protesters at Trafalgar Square. Scarey.

Do not adjust your television, we have taken control. I was expecting to see a bald headed bloke holding a white cat orchestrating it.

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9 hours ago, ricardo said:

Big drop in numbers today (245k tests 2.4% positives) lowest in four days

6042 - 34

Inpatients  1727 up 111 

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European.

Italy   1912 - 20

France 15797 - 150

Spain  4122 - 114

Germany  2361 - 11

France, huge numbers again. Spain big drop, must be something to do with reporting.

Weekend figures are always a bit lower aren't they? I'm sure I saw an explanation for this, some confirmed cases at weekends aren't reported until Tuesday due to procedures in some health trusts or something.

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On 25/09/2020 at 09:48, Yellow Fever said:

He's been given a lot of credit for his furlough scheme to-date but it was alway going to make you popular giving away lots of public money with few caveats - many enjoying a 6 month staycation in good weather. No losers.

I don't disagree with your broad point, which is relating to Sunak's popularity.

But quite a few of the people I knew on furlough were actually sitting around in a state of anxiety, because furlough is effectively redundancy notice and none of them knew if they'd ever get a return date.

I also know a couple who were lapping it up of course, but I'd choose working full-time over having short term worries about my job in this economic environment.

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10 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I don't disagree with your broad point, which is relating to Sunak's popularity.

But quite a few of the people I knew on furlough were actually sitting around in a state of anxiety, because furlough is effectively redundancy notice and none of them knew if they'd ever get a return date.

I also know a couple who were lapping it up of course, but I'd choose working full-time over having short term worries about my job in this economic environment.

Yes - the majority I think have returned since furlough but there are one or two million quite possibly looking at redundancy especially in retail and leisure / travel industries. I have sympathy with them. It doesn't however negate the 6 months paid holiday for many (the majority) who simply took advantage of it. It was reasonably obvious when working in the city centre the number of people wandering around clearly at leisure 'on holiday' during the working week.

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I’m not quite sure where I’m going to end up with this post so apologies if it turns into a bit of a rant but these protesters and their ilk just make me so angry. 

Six years ago I made the decision to leave the UK and move out here to New Zealand. What a great decision that has turned out to be. Apart from the great lifestyle, how nice it is to have a government that at least seems 90% competent when it comes to Covid and its response. A defined plan, a clear message passed on to the populace by daily press briefings and a population on board with very, very few exceptions. As such, over six months down the line and we still have fewer than 2000 cases and only 25 deaths. Life goes on pretty much as normal given the world we currently live in, just without the tourists which is the biggest hit to the economy. 

Every country seems to have their conspiracy theory loons but seeing protesters complaining of tyranny and loss of civil liberties and infringement of their human rights just winds me up. There are many countries in the world with tyrannical rulers but the UK is such a long way from that. Go visit those countries, try protesting the government and you might find out what tyranny really looks like. Anyone care to explain to me which part of the Bill of Human Rights these protestors have had violated. Certainly not the part about being allowed to protest peacefully without fear of arrest. As for civil liberties, I’m not entirely sure what is meant by that but the way these people talk about them is what really angers me. How is wearing a mask or having to social distance to stop the spread of a highly infectious, potentially debilitating or lethal disease such a problem. If everyone sucked it up and did what was required for 6-8 weeks you could bring it under control and then go back to a normal life. Instead, that seems to much to ask of many people and my parents ( in their 80s and living in Scotland) have now been in total lockdown for more than seven months. And I mean total lockdown. They just don’t leave the house. What about their civil liberties to be able to go outside and live their lives without fear of being infected with something that has a high chance of killing at least one of them. With the increase in cases and winter coming, to potentially make things worse I have no idea when they will be able to get out and about. I can’t see it being 2020 so probably another 5 months at least. They’ve been ok so far because it’s been summer and they’ve been able to spend time in the garden but I worry for their psychological well-being over the winter. Words can’t describe the loathing I feel for these people and their selfishness. 

Apologies to anyone who has read this far but I just needed somewhere to sound off and voice my worries and anger at the way things seem to be in the UK. 

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Feel free to sound off. I agree with you. The limitations have really been generally quite minimal to most. The error was in coming out out of lockdown much to early amd not finishing the job. Snakes and ladders and we just slipped down a Johnson snake back to the start.

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41 minutes ago, Yellow Kiwi said:

I’m not quite sure where I’m going to end up with this post so apologies if it turns into a bit of a rant but these protesters and their ilk just make me so angry. 

Six years ago I made the decision to leave the UK and move out here to New Zealand. What a great decision that has turned out to be. Apart from the great lifestyle, how nice it is to have a government that at least seems 90% competent when it comes to Covid and its response. A defined plan, a clear message passed on to the populace by daily press briefings and a population on board with very, very few exceptions. As such, over six months down the line and we still have fewer than 2000 cases and only 25 deaths. Life goes on pretty much as normal given the world we currently live in, just without the tourists which is the biggest hit to the economy. 

Every country seems to have their conspiracy theory loons but seeing protesters complaining of tyranny and loss of civil liberties and infringement of their human rights just winds me up. There are many countries in the world with tyrannical rulers but the UK is such a long way from that. Go visit those countries, try protesting the government and you might find out what tyranny really looks like. Anyone care to explain to me which part of the Bill of Human Rights these protestors have had violated. Certainly not the part about being allowed to protest peacefully without fear of arrest. As for civil liberties, I’m not entirely sure what is meant by that but the way these people talk about them is what really angers me. How is wearing a mask or having to social distance to stop the spread of a highly infectious, potentially debilitating or lethal disease such a problem. If everyone sucked it up and did what was required for 6-8 weeks you could bring it under control and then go back to a normal life. Instead, that seems to much to ask of many people and my parents ( in their 80s and living in Scotland) have now been in total lockdown for more than seven months. And I mean total lockdown. They just don’t leave the house. What about their civil liberties to be able to go outside and live their lives without fear of being infected with something that has a high chance of killing at least one of them. With the increase in cases and winter coming, to potentially make things worse I have no idea when they will be able to get out and about. I can’t see it being 2020 so probably another 5 months at least. They’ve been ok so far because it’s been summer and they’ve been able to spend time in the garden but I worry for their psychological well-being over the winter. Words can’t describe the loathing I feel for these people and their selfishness. 

Apologies to anyone who has read this far but I just needed somewhere to sound off and voice my worries and anger at the way things seem to be in the UK. 

spot on mate, thats what right wing populism does to a country full of unintelligent and selfish people.

I wish the protesters would just admit they have little care for the elderly above their own selfish wants and needs in life rather than all this rubbish on conspiracies and civil rights etc.

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3 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

 It doesn't however negate the 6 months paid holiday for many (the majority) who simply took advantage of it. 

I really don't understand where you are coming from here though.

They are paid 80% of their wages / up to £2500 to not do any work for their employer

They aren't taking advantage of that by not working, they are doing as instructed and legally required. 

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6 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I really don't understand where you are coming from here though.

They are paid 80% of their wages / up to £2500 to not do any work for their employer

They aren't taking advantage of that by not working, they are doing as instructed and legally required. 

Back to the original comment Sunak popularity. For most 6 month paid holiday. A bit like free beer.

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yet another drop today (245k tests 2.3% positives) lowest in five days

5693 - 17

Inpatients  1727 still awaiting update

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European.

Italy   1869 -17

France 14412 - 39

Spain  ?

Germany  1319 - 2

 

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21 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I really don't understand where you are coming from here though.

They are paid 80% of their wages / up to £2500 to not do any work for their employer

They aren't taking advantage of that by not working, they are doing as instructed and legally required. 

The idea that it was a holiday must only be genuinely held by those who are retired and/or financially secure enough that they probably could be. For the millions on furlough who live pay cheque to pay cheque to pay rent/mortgages, feed their kids etc. Im sure a holiday was the last thing they thought it was. 

As you said above, my experience is that everyone who was on furlough was thrilled to be back in work even when it was only part time furlough/part time working. They’ve all spent six months worrying about their jobs. They’ve seen reports that it might be 2024 before the economy and number of jobs are back to pre-covid levels and that was before the new restrictions came in. Those who have been on furlough could be part of millions losing their jobs and relying on benefits for half a decade. But yeah, “a bit like free beer.”

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4 minutes ago, Aggy said:

The idea that it was a holiday must only be genuinely held by those who are retired and/or financially secure enough that they probably could be. For the millions on furlough who live pay cheque to pay cheque to pay rent/mortgages, feed their kids etc. Im sure a holiday was the last thing they thought it was. 

As you said above, my experience is that everyone who was on furlough was thrilled to be back in work even when it was only part time furlough/part time working. They’ve all spent six months worrying about their jobs. They’ve seen reports that it might be 2024 before the economy and number of jobs are back to pre-covid levels and that was before the new restrictions came in. Those who have been on furlough could be part of millions losing their jobs and relying on benefits for half a decade. But yeah, “a bit like free beer.”

Yeah, was a mixed bag for me, half of the furloughed I knew spent the whole time being stressed out and worried about whether they'd be allowed back.

The other half loved sunbathing for months. 

I'd hazard a guess that the first lot are the ones who do sensible things like put money in their pension and not putting their Ibiza holiday on a credit card. 

I was grateful to just have a job throughout, I consider myself very fortunate. 

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1 hour ago, Aggy said:

The idea that it was a holiday must only be genuinely held by those who are retired and/or financially secure enough that they probably could be. For the millions on furlough who live pay cheque to pay cheque to pay rent/mortgages, feed their kids etc. Im sure a holiday was the last thing they thought it was. 

As you said above, my experience is that everyone who was on furlough was thrilled to be back in work even when it was only part time furlough/part time working. They’ve all spent six months worrying about their jobs. They’ve seen reports that it might be 2024 before the economy and number of jobs are back to pre-covid levels and that was before the new restrictions came in. Those who have been on furlough could be part of millions losing their jobs and relying on benefits for half a decade. But yeah, “a bit like free beer.”

Whatever you want to think Aggy. We didn't furlough anybody but many of our suppliers (enginering) did. Then they came in morning / evening shifts and are all now back normally as far as I can tell. No jobs lost.

I think this is currently true for the majority of those furloughed.

Yes, for some their jobs may now be permanently lost as opposed to a short term measure across the worst of the lockdown. I actually have far more sympathy for those self employed as ltd. Companies who got no support or furlough whatsoever.

 

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1 hour ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Yeah, was a mixed bag for me, half of the furloughed I knew spent the whole time being stressed out and worried about whether they'd be allowed back.

The other half loved sunbathing for months. 

I'd hazard a guess that the first lot are the ones who do sensible things like put money in their pension and not putting their Ibiza holiday on a credit card. 

I was grateful to just have a job throughout, I consider myself very fortunate. 

Yeah, thankfully, not too many of my closest friends or family were on furlough so I’ve only got a fairly limited pool to base my direct experiences on. Those I do know did of course enjoy the good weather - I’m not sure what else they could have done given they weren’t allowed to work - but all were very eager to get back and would much rather have been working.

My partner’s company made large scale redundancies/firings before the furlough package was announced, some (but not all) were re-hired purely to go on furlough and they are all (with very limited exception) still on furlough now. Highly likely they’ll be let go in a couple of weeks when the furlough scheme properly ends - a company with multiple offices in Scotland and England probably going to be down about 30-40 per cent on headcount from before covid. Back office and admin basically all gone and plenty of the main workers as well. My partner was one who was kept on throughout and I’m sure plenty of those on furlough would have preferred to be in her position.

One of the younger lads where I am and who works closely with me had a new born child and used the furlough basically as extended parental leave - loved the time with his kid and made the most of a bad situation - but he’s desperate to get back to 100 per cent work (currently still only doing three days). New kid, he needs a job!

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Seems to be starting to level off a bit. Scare tactics and the public taking sensible actions cutting the rate of increase markedly.

Whitty's projections certainly look fanciful on the evidence so far.

Still plenty of time though.

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3 hours ago, ricardo said:

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Seems to be starting to level off a bit. Scare tactics and the public taking sensible actions cutting the rate of increase markedly.

Whitty's projections certainly look fanciful on the evidence so far.

Still plenty of time though.

the worry is that the virus doesn't magically just "go away" when Valances mid October chart finishes.

We are currently around 5 or 6 doubling periods of deaths away from where we were in April but with less tools in the box.

Looks like we may have got the doubling time down from 7 days to more like 20 days, even so, at that rate, in 100 to 120 days, we will be back to 1k a day dead unless we can slow the spread down further. This puts us nicely at Christmas... how pleasant!

If winter takes its toll and it spreads even quicker, we will be there sooner. Supposedly the max doubling rate of Covid based on normal societal functionality is 4 days per doubling, we hit 7 days earlier this month.

There is talk that Manaus was so badly hit, they naturally achieved a form of herd immunity starting in June and naturally, cases dropped off. In the last couple of weeks or so, they have had a bit of a resurgence which suggests reinfections so it will be interesting to see how that works out for them... if their 2nd wave is a bit pathetic then it will give us all hope that this damned curse from the heavens/some dodgy Chinese butchers (whichever you believe) will be over soon. Let's just hope a vaccine arrives soon and can be safely and effectively administered to enough of us!

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Talk of two week 'circuit breakers' are in the press (closures of pubs, restaurants etc plus no indoor mixing of households). Might be applied across regions rather than nationally.

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12 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Talk of two week 'circuit breakers' are in the press (closures of pubs, restaurants etc plus no indoor mixing of households). Might be applied across regions rather than nationally.

 The indoor mixing more likely to be the next change (if any) I’d have thought. The stats suggesting spread in pubs and restaurants is fairly small and household spread is the main issue. Probably because the pubs and restaurants are, in the large, governing it themselves quite well, whereas much harder to stop people meeting in homes.

Over where you are has had no social mixing in houses completely for a while hasn’t it?

One thing nobody really picked up on on here was Boris’ mention of the army in his speech/ramble last week. Highly doubt he’ll have soldiers knocking on people,S doors asking your mum to go home, but that sort of “threat” suggests they know it’s household spread that’s the issue. 

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The latest Public Health England (PHE) report shows roughly 5 per cent of cases identified through test and trace have been linked to outbreaks in pubs, Prof Bauld said.” 

Prof Griffin agreed, but says he fears the 10pm curfew in England doesn’t address the real issue behind the growing case numbers, as it does not stop people from meeting outdoors, travelling with other households in cars, or meeting in houses.

He made the distinction between the Rule of Six, which limits the number of people who are able to meet, and the importance of limiting the numbers of households allowed to mix indoors or outside, which has been restricted in Scotland and Wales, and which he said is the most important factor.

“If you think of the train of onward transmission between six people from different households meeting and then going on to meet six other people each, that’s far harder to keep control over than two or three households meeting up.”

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Aggy said:

 The indoor mixing more likely to be the next change (if any) I’d have thought. The stats suggesting spread in pubs and restaurants is fairly small and household spread is the main issue. Probably because the pubs and restaurants are, in the large, governing it themselves quite well, whereas much harder to stop people meeting in homes.

Over where you are has had no social mixing in houses completely for a while hasn’t it?

One thing nobody really picked up on on here was Boris’ mention of the army in his speech/ramble last week. Highly doubt he’ll have soldiers knocking on people,S doors asking your mum to go home, but that sort of “threat” suggests they know it’s household spread that’s the issue. 

Quite right about pubs as vectors. They have been making bio-secure arrangements in my area for sure, likewise restaurants. And I agreed with a fella on the news the other night that the hospitality industry has been unfairly targeted given the percentage of cases reportedly deriving from the sector. The 10pm lockdown though has created other behavioural problems (York, Leeds and North East...perhaps London too....I've read  about) where folk have all been asked to leave at 10pm so you just get drinks taken outdoors and continued in a kind of street party. A bit like a football crowd.

Yes, here in Yorkshire we have had no mixing for what seems like months. It is variable in its effect, with some households just ignoring it or getting round it. My wife hasn't seen her mum for a long while as she is strictly not her "support bubble" as there are 2 other sisters living closer though you could argue she is very important. We have been following what is asked. I'm less convinced that maybe 30% of people haven't. I believe it's because people just don't understand rather than a willfulness. As for folk drinking and partying in the street, I'm also of the view they know exactly what they're doing but drink blinds common sense or responsibility (it always has).

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