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It looks like Scotland's spike is mainly to do with the return of students. Rather expected to be fair. 

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39 minutes ago, Herman said:

It looks like Scotland's spike is mainly to do with the return of students. Rather expected to be fair. 

Indeed. The worry is that they finish their autumn term and go home for Christmas taking the virus with them into their home towns. I read that one university might be considering not allowing students home (asking them) because of the worry!

I'm expecting Sunak to come up with some decent measures in the meantime...just seen his photo opp outside number 11 (with Frances Grady). Sunak speaks clearly and appears to have some depth as well as  intelligence in his broader responses to questions asked of him. One of the highlights of this lamentable government. If they had any sense they would ditch Johnson. I'm hopeful the measures will re-assure lots of businesses and employees in the coming months.

The numbers with the virus feel like they're increasing faster than the doubling every 7 days. Locally for example we have seen over a 40% increase in 24 hours alone (Zoe app source).

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On 22/09/2020 at 23:31, Terminally Yellow said:

Sorry if you thought I was having a go; I really wasn't! I was responding to sarcasm with sarcasm 🙂 All good in the hood my friend.

No, I didn't...I was worried you may have thought I was being personally sarcastic! No problem.

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At least there is some recognition that there has to be immediate action should a case occur.

7 schools in Cornwall have several cases and are sending whole years home.

Unfortunately a large bacon factory i still operating, even though it had 88 cases in two days. The excuse being, its among the eastern europeans who live ten to a house so it will be contained because all they do is work and sleep.

Whatever the result, while the numbers are low in comparison, the hospital admissions are rising. Many of the popular areas of Cornwall are still jam full.

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It was refreshing to hear a grown up, with a level of honesty, from the despatch box. There will be people that miss out again but a lot that will benefit but it is not an easy task for Rishi. 

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Article behind paywall in Telegraph suggesting CV has mutated in the states to become more infectious and “ find its way around hand washing and facemasks” now I know this is a sneaky little **** but sounds like it might have an IQ higher than Trumps, which isnt a huge leap for a virus but still, a little sceptical on this one, but will have to see.

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35 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Article behind paywall in Telegraph suggesting CV has mutated in the states to become more infectious and “ find its way around hand washing and facemasks” now I know this is a sneaky little **** but sounds like it might have an IQ higher than Trumps, which isnt a huge leap for a virus but still, a little sceptical on this one, but will have to see.

Interesting although I suspect some people think face masks stop the virus, whereas all they actually do is reduce the level of transmission.  On TV from the US you often see people wearing face masks but in close proximity as if they think the face masks will stop them getting infected, when all they do is cut down on the transmission, so if you're close by someone with it, you can still catch it.

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"Interesting although I suspect some people think face masks stop the virus, whereas all they actually do is reduce the level of transmission.  On TV from the US you often see people wearing face masks but in close proximity as if they think the face masks will stop them getting infected, when all they do is cut down on the transmission, so if you're close by someone with it, you can still catch it."

 

It depends upon the size of the droplet apparently.

 

I use the word "apparently" as there are conflicting views on this constantly  put forward.

Very small droplets (aerosol?) may get through BUT then a small exposure to these does not give you the virus,  or does not make you an extreme case, apparently.

The following is interesting:

"There is a social stigma attached to not wearing a mask in South Korea.

The offender is not only reprimanded for not respecting the citizenship rights of others, but also as an uncultured person."

Perhaps that should become the norm here because, as you point out, mask wearing does reduce the level of transmission. 

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56 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Interesting although I suspect some people think face masks stop the virus, whereas all they actually do is reduce the level of transmission.  On TV from the US you often see people wearing face masks but in close proximity as if they think the face masks will stop them getting infected, when all they do is cut down on the transmission, so if you're close by someone with it, you can still catch it.

Absolutely, the face coverings we are encouraged to wear are about reducing spread rather than self protection. There are of course others that have a personal protective function.

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23 hours ago, Van wink said:

The Zoe  study is the best measure for me, now showing nearly 13000 cases a day

Over 16000 today

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Sorry to belabor a point but if you don't believe the Virus is real, you won't take steps to stop transmission. The US has seen the decline on cases reverse - it was up 20% over last week's numbers, but within that it is Republican lead States performing worst. Why? Because so many of them are undermining efforts to control transmission. Karma has caught a few - the anti-mask Governor or Missouri and his wife are infected, and "leave it to God" pastors have become infected too, but way too many people take their lead from the President or Governors who are doing everything they can to downplay the risks and he is still holding rallies!

So you have the North East with infection rates below 1%, West Coast under 3% v  South and MidWest with rates between 8 and 16% ! (yes some of those States are showing "rapidly falling case numbers" but I'd point to "rapidly falling test numbers" too that obviously impact that)

Wearing a mask is not the only solution to transmission, but it so obviously directly impacts it that not wearing one is totally irresponsible. And the fact that the White House killed a plan by the US Post Office to mail five masks to every household in the US is a scandal that in any other time that would be front page news. Unfortunately we have a totally useless media and multiple scandals every day to hide that. (As Boris and Dom know full well and are exploiting this in the UK too) 

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Over 16000 today

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I agree, I've been following this app since you first recommended it and I report my status every couple of days - so far I've been lucky and haven't had to do anything except report I feel "physically normal" as it elegantly puts it.

 

Over the summer, the number of daily cases and active cases had both shrunk to reassuringly low levels, from memory the "active cases" number had gone down to about 30,000.  Clearly we're seeing a major resurgence of the virus and let's hope that the measures taken are enough to rein it in, otherwise we need further restrictions for a certainty.

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20 minutes ago, ricardo said:

I've  downloaded the NHS App 👍

Yep I hope we all will.


The UK has reported 6,634 new coronavirus cases - the highest daily total ever recorded.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

I agree, I've been following this app since you first recommended it and I report my status every couple of days - so far I've been lucky and haven't had to do anything except report I feel "physically normal" as it elegantly puts it.

 

Over the summer, the number of daily cases and active cases had both shrunk to reassuringly low levels, from memory the "active cases" number had gone down to about 30,000.  Clearly we're seeing a major resurgence of the virus and let's hope that the measures taken are enough to rein it in, otherwise we need further restrictions for a certainty.

We won’t see the effect of the new measures coming through for a while but my feeling is they won’t prove to be sufficient, also as hospitalisations and deaths rise and we see the news reporting from ICU the  pressure to do more will be overwhelming.

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2 hours ago, It's Character Forming said:

Interesting although I suspect some people think face masks stop the virus, whereas all they actually do is reduce the level of transmission.  On TV from the US you often see people wearing face masks but in close proximity as if they think the face masks will stop them getting infected, when all they do is cut down on the transmission, so if you're close by someone with it, you can still catch it.

This was one of the reasons face masks were not recommended at the start of lockdown.  False sense of security

 

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Number of tests not updated yet but on yesterdays numbers it looks like around 3% positives today

Latest UK Numbers 

6643 - 40

Inpatients  1469  not updated yet

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European.

Italy   1640 - 20

France 13072 - 43

Spain  11289 - 130

Germany  2029 - 17

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For what it's worth I think Johnson should have clamped down much harder yesterday.

This was his last shot, the last chance saloon at this to negate very heavy total lockdown later again.

He wants to keep the schools, business, retail and indeed pubs open as much as possible for good economic reasons (the 10pm is a 'political' compromise). I can accept that.

BUT - with all the above 'open in some manner he needed then to balance that with clamping down as hard as possible elsewhere - especially social gatherings at homes (one of if not the largest known risk), face masks, 'events' and the like.

Sadly I think he flunked the big call again. History will not be kind.

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1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

For what it's worth I think Johnson should have clamped down much harder yesterday.

This was his last shot, the last chance saloon at this to negate very heavy total lockdown later again.

He wants to keep the schools, business, retail and indeed pubs open as much as possible for good economic reasons (the 10pm is a 'political' compromise). I can accept that.

BUT - with all the above 'open in some manner he needed then to balance that with clamping down as hard as possible elsewhere - especially social gatherings at homes (one of if not the largest known risk), face masks, 'events' and the like.

Sadly I think he flunked the big call again. History will not be kind.

The advice and the law have become quite distinct.  The advice is still strong on  what should and what should not be done. The law is weaker, only requiring that social events be limited to six or less (although that does mean there is very little scope for a family of  say 4 or 5 to meet any other family socially).

There is probably a deep philosophical question about liberalism and collectivism here somewhere and probably also one about whether or not it is righy to pass what is likely to prove unenforceable law to emphasise a point.

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1 hour ago, ricardo said:

Number of tests not updated yet but on yesterdays numbers it looks like around 3% positives today

Latest UK Numbers 

6643 - 40

Inpatients  1469  not updated yet

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Yesterdays European.

Italy   1640 - 20

France 13072 - 43

Spain  11289 - 130

Germany  2029 - 17

France records fourth record high in cases over eight day span

France has seen its case load increase by 16,096 across a 24 hour period - a new record for the country.

The daily figure comes after 13,072 cases were reported on Wednesday. It is the fourth record high for the country in eight days.

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1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

There is probably a deep philosophical question about liberalism and collectivism here somewhere and probably also one about whether or not it is righy to pass what is likely to prove unenforceable law to emphasise a point.

I think you've just answered and confirmed my own rhetorical question.

He flunked it.

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1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

I think you've just answered and confirmed my own rhetorical question.

He flunked it.

I wasn't aware that i was attempting to answer a question, rhetorical or otherwise, but glad to help😀

I suspect though that you have been firm in your opinion for a while now and I haven't really clarified anything!

For what it is worth i do feel that boris is very much a libertatian and will not easily demand that people surrender what would in years gone by seem the inalienable right to see who they want in  their own home

 

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7 hours ago, ricardo said:

I've  downloaded the NHS App 👍

Lucky you. Neither Mrs KG or my phone are compatible.

So what is the point of Handoncock bulling about something half the population can't access.

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13 hours ago, sonyc said:

Indeed. The worry is that they finish their autumn term and go home for Christmas taking the virus with them into their home towns. I read that one university might be considering not allowing students home (asking them) because of the worry!

If they get infected now they wouldn't still be infectious by Christmas... it should be a hurry up catch it and recover strategy? If you test positive you can go home after a mandatory 2 week quarantine... 

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9 minutes ago, Surfer said:

If they get infected now they wouldn't still be infectious by Christmas... it should be a hurry up catch it and recover strategy? If you test positive you can go home after a mandatory 2 week quarantine... 

Christmas is 3 months away... God knows what situation we'll be in by then!

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