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3 minutes ago, Surfer said:

So another case of one rule for you and another for me?  And the US is currently a hotbed of viral spread. 

The Tulsa rally was on the evening of the 20th. The earliest he could have flown back to the UK would have been the 21st. He either got back the evening of the 21st or the morning of the 22nd. Add 14 days for quarantine and its July 06 or July 07 before you can go out and about. 

 

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Lots of press that the R in London might have crept back up above one.  Not surprising given all the crowds over the last few weeks but still disappointing if true.  Luckily the base is now very low so might not be much spread.

 

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31 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Lots of press that the R in London might have crept back up above one.  Not surprising given all the crowds over the last few weeks but still disappointing if true.  Luckily the base is now very low so might not be much spread.

 

I suspect there is a significant variation by Borough in London.

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1 hour ago, NFN FC said:

I hope that glass is full of line cleaner

Were you a school prefect by any chance?

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1 hour ago, Surfer said:

So another case of one rule for you and another for me?  And the US is currently a hotbed of viral spread. 

The Tulsa rally was on the evening of the 20th. The earliest he could have flown back to the UK would have been the 21st. He either got back the evening of the 21st or the morning of the 22nd. Add 14 days for quarantine and its July 06 or July 07 before you can go out and about. 

 

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Hardly anything to brag about. Who else is going to go to the same pub as Farage? With his track record of scrounging a pension from an organisation he wants shut down, they would probably be expected to buy his beer, which is probably a German lager.

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

I suspect there is a significant variation by Borough in London.

Figures are only given for the whole region.  South-west and London only regions in possible growth (a range is given). South West not much affected at first so largely susceptible but London figures likely reflect recent events

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The BBC website gives data by Borough as you probably know, but not R. 

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I read Spain has now locked down an area of 200000 people. These kinds of stories are going to abound around the globe it appears. As for the US, there is such disarray and chaos. ...you can see a long, long tail in the outbreak and even though we are in the second half of the year, I can see C19 outbreaks well into 2021. The so-called 'new normal'.

Unless a vaccine arrives. Despite the positive talk, I read nothing to substantiate the hope from our scientists.

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1 hour ago, sonyc said:

I read Spain has now locked down an area of 200000 people. These kinds of stories are going to abound around the globe it appears. As for the US, there is such disarray and chaos. ...you can see a long, long tail in the outbreak and even though we are in the second half of the year, I can see C19 outbreaks well into 2021. The so-called 'new normal'.

Unless a vaccine arrives. Despite the positive talk, I read nothing to substantiate the hope from our scientists.

I agree with you to an extent.  There is no evidence that on a world wide basis we have yet reached a peak. Even in Europe infections rates in some places are sneaking up (current per capita rates in 🇷🇴 and 🇵🇹   higher than uk). This could come back anywhere at anytime if we give up completely.

However  I have faith that a vaccine is coming soon and that we have learnt better how to treat and prevent this. We are also somewhat protected by prior exposure.  It'll be OK...im sure....

 

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4 hours ago, Surfer said:

So another case of one rule for you and another for me?  And the US is currently a hotbed of viral spread. 

The Tulsa rally was on the evening of the 20th. The earliest he could have flown back to the UK would have been the 21st. He either got back the evening of the 21st or the morning of the 22nd. Add 14 days for quarantine and its July 06 or July 07 before you can go out and about. 

 

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This is no surprise 

The worrying thing is Nigel Farage lying by claiming he has been back for 2 weeks, when it is demonstrably clear he hasn't. That's politics these days, all sides of it

The good news is that Nigel is unlikely to be bringing covid back to the UK....he couldn't have come into close contact with anyone in that empty arena 😄

 

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6 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

This is no surprise 

The worrying thing is Nigel Farage lying by claiming he has been back for 2 weeks, when it is demonstrably clear he hasn't. That's politics these days, all sides of it

The good news is that Nigel is unlikely to be bringing covid back to the UK....he couldn't have come into close contact with anyone in that empty arena 😄

 

🙂 Well, checking flights he couldn't have got back until the 22nd. So he is definitely lying. He could have got tested, and probably was tested in Tulsa if he met with Trump. You are right, nobody has come down with Covid19 after the Tulsa event, except for the President's son's girlfriend that is 😞  

Disagree about politics all sides. This continual lying seems to be very one sided to me. 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

I agree with you to an extent.  There is no evidence that on a world wide basis we have yet reached a peak. Even in Europe infections rates in some places are sneaking up (current per capita rates in 🇷🇴 and 🇵🇹   higher than uk). This could come back anywhere at anytime if we give up completely.

However  I have faith that a vaccine is coming soon and that we have learnt better how to treat and prevent this. We are also somewhat protected by prior exposure.  It'll be OK...im sure....

 

I hope your faith materialises.

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1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

I agree with you to an extent.  There is no evidence that on a world wide basis we have yet reached a peak. Even in Europe infections rates in some places are sneaking up (current per capita rates in 🇷🇴 and 🇵🇹   higher than uk). This could come back anywhere at anytime if we give up completely.

However  I have faith that a vaccine is coming soon and that we have learnt better how to treat and prevent this. We are also somewhat protected by prior exposure.  It'll be OK...im sure....

 

 WHO says today new record high for numbers of cases worldwide. 

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So what’s the view on yesterday, did the great unwashed generally behave or were all the the predictions of doom realised. Not seen a lot in the media so my assumption is that in general people did the right thing, very encouraging if that’s the case. 

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Soho looked a bit of a nightmare, a bit of "Saturday night's alright for fighting" and queueing to get into a Wetherspoons but I think most people and pubs were sensible in spite of the government. My local locked its doors when it was "full" to its self imposed limit which was good.

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22 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Lots of press that the R in London might have crept back up above one.  Not surprising given all the crowds over the last few weeks but still disappointing if true.  Luckily the base is now very low so might not be much spread.

 

See how the death toll is impacted. That’s what’s important. The R is irrelevant if it just shows more teens and twenty year olds on nights are getting infected but they just get ill for a few days and recover. In many ways, if the R shoots up and deaths don’t, then that could be seen as good - shows we can get most people back to something like “normal” whilst shielding the vulnerable. Let’s see what happens. 

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1 hour ago, Aggy said:

See how the death toll is impacted. That’s what’s important. The R is irrelevant if it just shows more teens and twenty year olds on nights are getting infected but they just get ill for a few days and recover. In many ways, if the R shoots up and deaths don’t, then that could be seen as good - shows we can get most people back to something like “normal” whilst shielding the vulnerable. Let’s see what happens. 

If the R shoots up  I fear the deaths will shoot up. We still don’t really know who the vulnerable are, what is becoming more and more clear is that the obese are a hugely vulnerable group, as R goes up then more people in that group will get infected and more will die. 

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1 hour ago, Aggy said:

See how the death toll is impacted. That’s what’s important. The R is irrelevant if it just shows more teens and twenty year olds on nights are getting infected but they just get ill for a few days and recover. In many ways, if the R shoots up and deaths don’t, then that could be seen as good - shows we can get most people back to something like “normal” whilst shielding the vulnerable. Let’s see what happens. 

That's true to an extent but you have to bear in mind that if the R has gone back above 1 then it is entirely possible that the death rate may still decline for at least 2-3 weeks and probably longer before the increased infection rate starts to show up as rising deaths - assuming that it does, although its possible that it may not.

If unfortunately, the death rate does start to rise in a few weeks time then again we will face the situation, just as we did with Johnson's dithering at the start, that in those few weeks before the death rate starts rising again the number of cases will have increased significantly and doubtless spread out from London and increased the R in many other areas of the country as well.

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2 hours ago, Van wink said:

If the R shoots up  I fear the deaths will shoot up. We still don’t really know who the vulnerable are, what is becoming more and more clear is that the obese are a hugely vulnerable group, as R goes up then more people in that group will get infected and more will die. 

Still, what’s the average age of deaths? 82 isn’t it? Only 3,000 out of 49,000 deaths in the Uk have been under 65. How many 82 year olds were in Soho last night? Let’s wait and see. It might result in loads more deaths. It might not. My expectation is that it doesn’t lead to a massive amount more deaths and the vulnerable and elderly will then need to get used to being shielded while everyone else can get back to something like normal.

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4 hours ago, Jools said:

Interesting, thanks 

If this is corroborated by further study, I wonder why it took so long to get a hold 

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Clear evidence now confirms that ideology over medical need was one of the reasons for PPE shortage

However, not surprising the UK is now going back to the EU, cap in hand, to re-join various initiatives

"A commission official said the UK was not included on the original email list because it had already left the EU, but added there had been “ample opportunity” for the British government to join four schemes to bulk-buy medical supplies launched earlier this year.

The UK has since decided to join an EU procurement scheme to obtain intensive care medicines, such as antibiotics and anaesthetics, the Guardian has learned.

The government is also in talks to join the EU’s coronavirus vaccine plan, and is seeking access to the EU’s pandemic warning system throughout the post-Brexit talks.''

The article also outlines how Rabb lied about what happened  - and will undoubtedly raise the question of how many died because of this ideological stupidity

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/06/eu-clyommission-rejects-raab-claims-medical-procurement-row

 

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Interesting piece on news night about  t cells and how antibody studies might be underestimating real levels of immunity

 

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On 05/07/2020 at 19:35, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Interesting, thanks 

If this is corroborated by further study, I wonder why it took so long to get a hold 

Well, HIWEMs, the Swedes are suggesting the virus is no different to any other flu:

https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/sweden-is-back-to-normal/

And as I suggested back in April, it's looking like the government should've gone with their initial plan of 'Herd Immunity'...

Unfortunately, the government were persuaded to lockdown on the strength of a Lefty scientist who threatened half a million Covid 19 deaths by now...

 

Labour would've done nothing differently --- In fact the consequences would likely have been dire.

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7 hours ago, Jools said:

Well, HIWEMs, the Swedes are suggesting the virus is no different to any other flu:

https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/sweden-is-back-to-normal/

And as I suggested back in April, it's looking like the government should've gone with their initial plan of 'Herd Immunity'...

Unfortunately, the government were persuaded to lockdown on the strength of a Lefty scientist who threatened half a million Covid 19 deaths by now...

 

Labour would've done nothing differently --- In fact the consequences would likely have been dire.

Blimey, you write some utter pony at times but this is probably the worst I've seen. A clear refusal to look at the facts to see what actually happened and is happening.

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43 minutes ago, Van wink said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/refusal-to-wear-mask-should-be-as-taboo-as-drink-driving-says-royal-society-chief

It really is and always has been so obvious, well at least to those of us who have any idea about this. There are always a few clowns around, a bit like the vaccination deniers, dangerous and stupid people. 

As one of the self appointed non-clowns, to whom it has always been so obvious, I surely hope you’ve never risked the life of an elderly person by walking around without a mask in public at any point in your life VW, otherwise the pomposity and self righteousness of this post is going to look very silly and hypocritical. Unless it was okay for those of you who have always known this to knowingly risk lives by potentially spreading “normal” flu and who knows what else for the past however many years?

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8 hours ago, Jools said:

Well, HIWEMs, the Swedes are suggesting the virus is no different to any other flu:

https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/sweden-is-back-to-normal/

And as I suggested back in April, it's looking like the government should've gone with their initial plan of 'Herd Immunity'...

Unfortunately, the government were persuaded to lockdown on the strength of a Lefty scientist who threatened half a million Covid 19 deaths by now...

 

Labour would've done nothing differently --- In fact the consequences would likely have been dire.

A study has just been completed in Spain where only 5% have registered antibodies. If you check, it indicates that the herd immunity argument appears now to be refuted.

 Prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in Spain (ENE-COVID): a nationwide, population-based seroepidemiological study - The Lancet

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

 

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