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12 hours ago, Herman said:

Good old guido still shilling for the tories. Nothing ever changes. 

Just to add, even the Daily Mail know who is to blame for yet another fiasco, a predicted one at that. 

Matthew Gould is the CEO of ‘NHSX’, the Quango set up to “foster innovation” in the NHS, despite the prior existence of NHS digital, who already had the same mandate. Another expensive layer of civil servants with little or no tech expertise in the NHS.

Gould is not a techie, he is a former UK ambassador to Israel and a career diplomat with no background in the private sector or technology. Gould is an old school friend of George Osborne. Osborne had former Cabinet Secretary Jeremy Heywood appoint Gould to a role at DCMS despite the lack of relevant experience. Gould likes to crow about the ‘UK-Israel tech hub’ he set up when UK ambassador to Israel. At DCMS, Gould was supposed to manage government relations with ‘GAFAM’ (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon and Microsoft). He spent a lot of taxpayers’ money flying business class to California, where he would apologise for Brexit and then berate them about data privacy issues. Needless to say, GAFAM’s senior execs like Zuckerberg ignored Gould’s requests for meetings and fobbed him off on PR people like Nick Clegg. Gould felt slighted and maintains a grudge against GAFAM.

Nonetheless, Osborne encouraged Matt Hancock to appointed Gould to be ‘CEO’ of NHSX. His appointment was greeted with a collective sigh of despair across the tech-industry that a self-declared ‘tech bluffer’ with no real experience got the £150,000 job. “Let’s be clear” as Matt Hancock likes to say, it is Matthew Gould that has really screwed up the NHS Covid tracing app. Apple is not, as he is trying to spin, to blame.

Gould chose to pursue a policy of “Build rather than Buy” against the advice of everyone who did not work for him. You had two of the world’s largest technology companies joining forces to develop a decentralised, privacy-focused application that most of the world has rolled out in order to trace Coronavirus outbreaks. On the other hand, you have Gould’s team at NHSX, within a government department, outsourcing the build to external contractors based in Switzerland. Who could have predicted it would go wrong? Everyone.

The decision to build the software rather than buy it in – especially as it was already close to existing at the time – was Gould’s decision. It was a decision made for his and NHSX’s glory more than the public interest. Dominic Cummings when he was outside government would rail in blogs about the culture of the Civil Service, where Oxbridge bluffers with no clue would fail and face no consequences. Gould, who read philosophy and divinity at Cambridge, is a classic example. Gould should be fired over this fiasco…

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9 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

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Middle of the first Norwich game in 3 months and this guy is the only one in the non football section commenting on political posts.

Why are you even on this forum?

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1 hour ago, South Sider said:

Why are you even on this forum?

Because I find you utterly irresistible 🙃

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Virus was found in water samples in Italy in December. Further evidence that it was circulating some time before we first thought.

i suspect it was well established in the UK earlier than we realised.. 

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35 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Virus was found in water samples in Italy in December. Further evidence that it was circulating some time before we first thought.

i suspect it was well established in the UK earlier than we realised.. 

Yes. Makes you wonder what the real toll is

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10 hours ago, Van wink said:

Virus was found in water samples in Italy in December. Further evidence that it was circulating some time before we first thought.

i suspect it was well established in the UK earlier than we realised.. 

I posted a link a good couple of months ago (maybe March) about how the Netherlands was pioneering research into wastewater to little interest (well, none!) here. It offered another metric and even a leading / predictive indicator of the prevalence of the virus for authorities to act upon. 

Here is a recent article. There are also many more story links in here. Interesting stuff.

 

Sewer surveillance part of Dutch national Covid-19 dashboard | Dutch Water Sector

https://www.dutchwatersector.com/news/sewer-surveillance-part-of-dutch-national-covid-19-dashboard

 

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What many have suspected

"Ministers have been accused of playing down the gravity of the coronavirus pandemic after it emerged that more than 1,000 people died every day in the UK for 22 consecutive days – in stark contrast with daily tolls announced by the government.

According to an analysis of official figures, the darkest day came on 8 April as the country prepared for Easter under lockdown, when a record 1,445 people died from Covid-19 in 24 hours."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/19/over-1000-deaths-day-uk-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak

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This is what will bring the Government down - the constant lying. Eventually the British public will say "Enough"! We are at that point in the US now despite the administration's ever more desperate moves to pervert justice (and the Republican party's willingness to go along with it) . In the UK the tide will turn too and I don't care what the majority is in Parliament, MPs will not long follow a broken leadership that they see is about to sink under the waves. 

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Young people living independently is almost certainly an important factor why Nordic countries (excl. Sweden) have done so well and why Italy and Spain had such a hard time despite tough lockdowns. Interestingly France and UK and similar in proportion of young people living with their parents. France has done better, but that's probably for policy reasons:

If you look at the FT policy response index, you'll see France locked down earlier and harder than UK. I couldn't find Google mobility data go as far back as March, but France's wasn't that dissimilar from UK in early May atleast.

Idiosyncratic factors like timing of holidays, football matches and large church services have an impact, but I doubt they determine the final result. Culturally the French are habitual kissers, Italians love their family dinners and the Spanish talk loudly. 

Interesting: Spain has the most elevators per capita in the world with Italy the second!

 

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"nteresting: Spain has the most elevators per capita in the world with Italy the second! "

 

eh ?

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59 minutes ago, Surfer said:

This is what will bring the Government down - the constant lying. Eventually the British public will say "Enough"! We are at that point in the US now despite the administration's ever more desperate moves to pervert justice (and the Republican party's willingness to go along with it) . In the UK the tide will turn too and I don't care what the majority is in Parliament, MPs will not long follow a broken leadership that they see is about to sink under the waves. 

The major problem will be in passing legislation

We have already seen umpteen u-turns, and stuff that was promised (brexit) now abandoned.

Any radical change which might have passed unnoticed, or had most thinking 'let's give it a go' will now provoke the response of 'what are they up to now ?"

My thought is the Tories will allow Doris to carry on long enough that the whole shambles can then be laid at his door - and a leadership challenge will come sometime in 2021. They will need a government more in tune with current thought - not a buffoon mixed up in all manner of scandals and dodgy dealings.

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November 5th Bill. Mark it in your calendar. The Thursday it is confirmed the US Electorate has dumped Trump, and a day for Boris to go too. Or the day we walk hand in hand to fascism.

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21 hours ago, Jools said:

Dominic Cummings when he was outside government would rail in blogs about the culture of the Civil Service, 

This implies that Guido believes Dominic Cummings is now "inside" the government?

He is not, he is a Special Adviser...which is, in fact a special type of civil servant

or, at least, that´s what he is supposed to be

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current polling has, if you include safe, likely and leaning towards

BIiden 281

Trump 114

with 143 undecided

so even if Trump were to win every undecided state he would still lose - and it maybe as in the UK a shift of a couple of points tilts it far greater that the average before

and the bad news for the buffoon is that the numbers have slowly been slipping away

https://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map

As to the senate that may well be down to where the seats are up for election. 2018 they were mainly in the south so there is every thought this year that the democrats could gain control of both houses.

 

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We have three threads to our election results - Biden should win but any of these three can have major impact on the results. 

1. Voter suppression  - we can't let you vote by mail even in a pandemic can we?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/503679-barr-echoes-trumps-concerns-about-mail-in-voting-says-it-could-open

2. Legal action against Trump's allies (the President can't be touched while he's in office) 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1274361764424019973.html

 

3. Reaction to Coronavirus and "race riots". 10,00 maskless MAGA acolytes tonight at DT's indoor area rally - not a mask in sight 😞 And the choice of Tulsa, the scene of an 1921 massacre of black citizens.

 

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Slaughterhouses again! Maybe the vegans have a point.

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39 minutes ago, Herman said:

Slaughterhouses again! Maybe the vegans have a point.

Think of battery hens...these plants are often human versions I'm told, with people working in very close proximity to each other.  Yet, I too keep reading about markets and other animal preparation hotspots that I also wonder if raw animal product somehow attracts the virus? 

I believe we may see months of localised outbreaks reading all the recent news where the main 'wave' has been managed down to low numbers. I had initial confidence that it was weakening and dissipating but now I'm far less sure. It appears just to be an omni-presence in fact. Otherwise, why would there be these outbreaks? If it has passed and there has been no evidence it is brought in from elsewhere, then it must just be 'around' / 'in the air'.  Apologies for my inarticulation in description just here. Yet, it's baffling.

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I think the spike in Beijing recently started in a market, again and as mentioned, there is a big spike in Florida, which is partly to do with loose lockdown rules. But, yes, it hangs around so hopefully most people are still being sensible.

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9 hours ago, sonyc said:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanys-coronavirus-r-rate-jumps-22226571?

Obvious now that C19 is very persistent. You can see how localised outbreaks can get out of hand. No football, leisure or other crowd events for a long time and a curtailed business and social life too?

You do wonder about all the rallies.

Disappointing to see what’s happening in Germany, poor food standards, exploitation of foreign workers, shocking health and safety standards at work and poor public health and infection control.

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37 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Disappointing to see what’s happening in Germany, poor food standards, exploitation of foreign workers, shocking health and safety standards at work and poor public health and infection control.

......🎣

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Where's steeperscreepers - I hope he is not another of this quick come and go logins

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Posted (edited)

Didn’t expect to get you on the line Billy hey ho😀

Its like finding your favourite spot with you best gear on a beautiful day and catching a newt🥃

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Didn’t expect to get you on the line Billy hey ho😀

Its like finding your favourite spot with you best gear on a beautiful day and catching a newt🥃

Not really sure what you are on about - other than to confirm that your intent on here is not one of adding to the debate

just trying to cause trouble, as always

ah wel. plus ca change...

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17 minutes ago, Bill said:

Not really sure what you are on about - other than to confirm that your intent on here is not one of adding to the debate

just trying to cause trouble, as always

ah wel. plus ca change...

Straight back in the pond with you Billy 😉

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23 hours ago, Van wink said:

Disappointing to see what’s happening in Germany, poor food standards, exploitation of foreign workers, shocking health and safety standards at work and poor public health and infection control.

 

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On 21/06/2020 at 09:26, sonyc said:

 

You do wonder about all the rallies.

So long as it's not at Nuremberg then I'm not too worried.

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24 minutes ago, ricardo said:

So long as it's not at Nuremberg then I'm not too worried.

The difference being there that photos from Nuremberg are black and white, whereas from Tulsa they are white

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