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1 hour ago, BigFish said:

Cummings took his wife on a birthday outing to Barnard Castle. He broke the regulations.

Kinnock took his missus to his parents to say happy birthday to his dad. He was deemed not to have broken regulations.

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If those "exceptional circumstances" are that you are rich and powerful then, bingo, do what you want lads.👍

What a shill.

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13 minutes ago, Jools said:

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How were they unable to look after their child at the time they went up to Durham when, as Cummings said earlier, he had no symptoms whatsoever and his wife had some symptoms of covid but no fever and no cough (so basically a mild cold).

Or are you suggesting that if you have a kid you’re fine to flout the law every time you get a sniffle just on the off chance it becomes something more serious?

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12 minutes ago, Jools said:

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There’s something about Jenny that could please an older man, there must be some older men on here who could confirm, sort of cerebral 😀

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4 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Leaving aside the question of going up north in general, the thing about that hilariously absurd Barnard Castle excuse is that it is a clear admission that with that excursion he he broke the lockdown rules. So if that was what he told Johnson before Johnson went on TV and said Cummings had acted entirely legally then Johnson was lying.

A final point (at least for tonight) which I have’t seen made in the wake of Cummings explanation. If this was all above board and entirely in line with the rules, and not at all illegal, and Cummings thought so at the time, why didn’t his wife detail it all in her Specsavers, er sorry, Spectator article, rather than writing it in such a way that everyone was left with the strong impression they had stayed in London the whole time?

 

 

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1 hour ago, BigFish said:
2 hours ago, Jools said:

Brendan O'Neill:

The media’s Dominic Cummings story has completely collapsed. He did NOT go to Durham a second time, which was reported on the front page of the Sunday Mirror and the Observer. He did NOT have any physical contact with family members. The police did NOT talk to the Cummings family about the Covid lockdown guidelines. Cummings did NOT carry on doing things that everyone else had stopped doing — he even missed the funeral of his uncle who died from Covid. He did NOT leave his London home for leisure reasons — he left it because he was receiving death threats as a result of media demonisation. He was very ill, his wife was ill, and at one point his child was taken to hospital in an ambulance in Durham.

His family has had a really rough time and the media have told lie after lie about him. The scandal is not Cummings’ behaviour — it is the collapse of ethics and objectivity in the British media.

Cummings took his wife on a birthday outing to Barnard Castle. He broke the regulations.

You've got to take away all the hype and frenzy that has built up around this story and see the human element.  So much of what we have been told by the media was wrong.  

One of the misconceptions there has plainly been on social media is that Barnard Castle is a castle...it is not, it is a town which happens to have a castle. He only drove as far as the outskirts of the town and turned back - he did not go into the town - and even if he had have gone into it, there is nothing to do there as it is shut, including the castle.  

My main sympathies are with those people who have found themselves in dire situations and just have to ride out the storm where they are, but I also have a little bit of sympathy with anyone who does what they do for the sake of looking after their family when all those around them are falling ill and with a good chance of themselves falling ill too - and with a young child to look after.  The guidelines were clear of course - you stay home - but there was always the caveat that there could be extenuating circumstances - and given the factual information we now have, it looks as if there were extenuating circumstances in this case.

Time to let this rest and move on imo....unless people are just relishing the tory bashing aspect of all this and just want to perpetuate it for that reason.....the media too have been parasitic in pursuing this, repeating rumour and stuff that has appeared on social media as if it was the truth. Plenty of it has just been a witch hunt which has got out of proportion to the reality - a man looking after his family to the best of his ability and resources.  

 

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4 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

You've got to take away all the hype and frenzy that has built up around this story and see the human element.  So much of what we have been told by the media was wrong.  

One of the misconceptions there has plainly been on social media is that Barnard Castle is a castle...it is not, it is a town which happens to have a castle. He only drove as far as the outskirts of the town and turned back - he did not go into the town - and even if he had have gone into it, there is nothing to do there as it is shut, including the castle.  

My main sympathies are with those people who have found themselves in dire situations and just have to ride out the storm where they are, but I also have a little bit of sympathy with anyone who does what they do for the sake of looking after their family when all those around them are falling ill and with a good chance of themselves falling ill too - and with a young child to look after.  The guidelines were clear of course - you stay home - but there was always the caveat that there could be extenuating circumstances - and given the factual information we now have, it looks as if there were extenuating circumstances in this case.

Time to let this rest and move on imo....unless people are just relishing the tory bashing aspect of all this and just want to perpetuate it for that reason.....the media too have been parasitic in pursuing this, repeating rumour and stuff that has appeared on social media as if it was the truth. Plenty of it has just been a witch hunt which has got out of proportion to the reality - a man looking after his family to the best of his ability and resources.  

 

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There weren't any extenuating circumstances. They're scamming you and you are falling for it. Stop falling for it.

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15 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

A final point (at least for tonight) which I have’t seen made in the wake of Cummings explanation. If this was all above board and entirely in line with the rules, and not at all illegal, and Cummings thought so at the time, why didn’t his wife detail it all in her Specsavers, er sorry, Spectator article, rather than writing it in such a way that everyone was left with the strong impression they had stayed in London the whole time?

 

 

As ever  , it's  what they dont say that gets em.

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9 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

You've got to take away all the hype and frenzy that has built up around this story and see the human element.  So much of what we have been told by the media was wrong.  

One of the misconceptions there has plainly been on social media is that Barnard Castle is a castle...it is not, it is a town which happens to have a castle. He only drove as far as the outskirts of the town and turned back - he did not go into the town - and even if he had have gone into it, there is nothing to do there as it is shut, including the castle.  

My main sympathies are with those people who have found themselves in dire situations and just have to ride out the storm where they are, but I also have a little bit of sympathy with anyone who does what they do for the sake of looking after their family when all those around them are falling ill and with a good chance of themselves falling ill too - and with a young child to look after.  The guidelines were clear of course - you stay home - but there was always the caveat that there could be extenuating circumstances - and given the factual information we now have, it looks as if there were extenuating circumstances in this case.

Time to let this rest and move on imo....unless people are just relishing the tory bashing aspect of all this and just want to perpetuate it for that reason.....the media too have been parasitic in pursuing this, repeating rumour and stuff that has appeared on social media as if it was the truth. Plenty of it has just been a witch hunt which has got out of proportion to the reality - a man looking after his family to the best of his ability and resources.  

 

An unpopular view on here LDC, I did post earlier that the press frenzy to see Cummings shafted may backfire outside of the bubble, I’m not saying it has but what appear to have been erroneous claims in the Mirror and particularly the Observer will detract from the other more legitimate accusations and risk beginning to weaken the strength of the prosecution. The guy should do the honourable  thing but that won’t be In the vocabulary. In those circumstances dubious reporting doesn’t help.

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2 hours ago, Monty13 said:

You don’t need any credibility to govern Surfer, just a majority in parliament.

You do actually. MP’s are still sensitive to their constituent’s concerns and when you lose the confidence of the population there are all sorts of things that can a happen that - yes you can force people to do with the police - would go a lot more smoothly if you had retained it. So for example ministerial assertions about protecting food standards or the NHS, or immigration are all going to fall under the “so are you lying to me again” skepticism. It true the Tories have an 80 seat majority, but it won’t take too much to see a backbench rebellion break out, and the new northern Tories are not going to be concerned with having the whip withdrawn if they feel they will lose their seat anyway if they back up this nonesense. The “one nation” and “government of the people” facade has been shattered now. 

 

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3 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

They just continue to lie and the gullible lap it up.

 

Dynamite if true Squito!!!!!, not doubting you but theres been so much BS flying in all directions that I'm gonna wait until I get my hand on my  still wet from the press copy of The Sun in the morning then I'll learn the facts. Or I could wait until tomorrows briefing to get the truth. This Cummins guy is literally unbelievable.....and I dont often get the chance to use ' literally ' correctly. 

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16 minutes ago, Herman said:

There weren't any extenuating circumstances. They're scamming you and you are falling for it. Stop falling for it.

All I'm doing is trying to see the reality behind the hype - and there has been too much hype and parasitic reporting about this.  In the spirit of the lockdown he is in the wrong, but there were extenuating circumstances and that is beyond doubt - and the rules said people had to stay home "unless there were extenuating circumstances". 

Now I'm as anti-tory and what this government is all about as anyone, but somewhere along the line, fair reporting and a balanced view has to take precedent otherwise all it does is perpetuate anger which does no one any good. 

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10 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

The guidelines were clear of course - you stay home - but there was always the caveat that there could be extenuating circumstances - and given the factual information we now have, it looks as if there were extenuating circumstances in this case.

I thought the wording was 'exceptional circumstances' rather than extenuating, not that it really matters either way.

What are these exceptional circumstances??? There must have been tens of thousands of families in the same or very similar circumstances to the Cummings where one parent catches the virus, and I think its a pretty fair assumption that the Cummings are better able to get assistance with childcare if they needed it than most.

The instructions are absolutely clear cut and they are instructions from the Government not advice. Cummings completely flouted them and I haven't heard a single word to justify that there being anything 'exceptional' or 'extenuating' in his circumstances, just the arrogant assumption that he didn't have to follow the same rules as the all the plebs.

So far he seems to have assumed correctly, which is good news as he is dragging Johnson down with him and PMQs this week is going to be an absolute treat 😀

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I've got some bad news CM. PMQs isn't on this week as they are having a break.

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5 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

All I'm doing is trying to see the reality behind the hype - and there has been too much hype and parasitic reporting about this.  In the spirit of the lockdown he is in the wrong, but there were extenuating circumstances and that is beyond doubt - and the rules said people had to stay home "unless there were extenuating circumstances". 

Now I'm as anti-tory and what this government is all about as anyone, but somewhere along the line, fair reporting and a balanced view has to take precedent otherwise all it does is perpetuate anger which does no one any good. 

The reality is that an unelected government advisor drove 260 miles because he said that as he and his partner may have the coronavirus, he might need a relative to look after his 4 year old. He then visited a castle in order to test his eyesight.

The Durham police called his decision making "unwise". I'm surprised anyone can take anything Cummings says seriously.

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9 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

 

So far he seems to have assumed correctly, which is good news as he is dragging Johnson down with him and PMQs this week is going to be an absolute treat 😀

You may be unlucky.

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5 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

The reality is that an unelected government advisor drove 260 miles because he said that as he and his partner may have the coronavirus, he might need a relative to look after his 4 year old. He then visited a castle in order to test his eyesight.

The Durham police called his decision making "unwise". I'm surprised anyone can take anything Cummings says seriously.

Yes with those appalling decisions he should be sacked for incompetence anyway.

The whole purpose of the lockdown was to STOP especially those with covid symptoms from travelling around the country spreading it further.

He is without a doubt guilty as charged along with his wife.

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52 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

 

Time to let this rest and move on imo...

 

Good luck with that on here!

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9 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

All I'm doing is trying to see the reality behind the hype - and there has been too much hype and parasitic reporting about this.  In the spirit of the lockdown he is in the wrong, but there were extenuating circumstances and that is beyond doubt - and the rules said people had to stay home "unless there were extenuating circumstances". 

Now I'm as anti-tory and what this government is all about as anyone, but somewhere along the line, fair reporting and a balanced view has to take precedent otherwise all it does is perpetuate anger which does no one any good. 

So what are they then????

Its a fairy tale, just like the even more ludicrous fairy tale about the trip to Barnard Castle - so ludicrous in fact that even that ardent Brexiteer and Cummings supporter Andrew Bridgen managed to waffle around it for about 5 minutes about it but couldn't actually bring himself to say that he believed that the Cummings' version was the truth. So if even he doesn't believe it.......................🙄

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19 minutes ago, Herman said:

I've got some bad news CM. PMQs isn't on this week as they are having a break.

Doh 😧

How long does that mean we have to wait for the next dismantling of Johnson (assuming he doesn't dismantle himself before then)?

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4 hours ago, Indy said:

On a side note, 121 deaths today, with about 1200 new cases today, positive as it’s still coming down.

Well done Indy, also totally correct,  fact that 121 deaths from Coronavirus today, positive that its coming down for sure, sad that its still 121 deaths to many and sad that as you say, its just a side note in this topic now. Hundreds die, yet pages and pages of Cummings Goings...

Alright,  let the waffle continue and Coronavirus tragedies  stay as a sideshow, its only a football forum after all.

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1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Doh 😧

How long does that mean we have to wait for the next dismantling of Johnson (assuming he doesn't dismantle himself before then)?

Two weeks I think. 

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19 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:
1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

Time to let this rest and move on imo...

Good luck with that on here!

To tell the truth I'm fed up with hearing about it. He misjudged the situation, he should have stayed at home, but he might have been genuinely scared about what would happen to his family and that led him to making the decison he did, however flawed.  That alone is enough to have at least SOME sympathy for a parent in a situation he was in, faced with an ill wife and almost certainty that he would get the virus like his close colleagues.  The alternative is to carry on ranting and railing about it, which only perpetuates anger and keep the level of hype up, which is not good for anyone - except his political opponents who will want to keep this going as long as they can - and that is not something to be proud of.

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11 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

To tell the truth I'm fed up with hearing about it.

Then stop posting on a thread about it

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17 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

To tell the truth I'm fed up with hearing about it. He misjudged the situation, he should have stayed at home, but he might have been genuinely scared about what would happen to his family and that led him to making the decison he did, however flawed.  That alone is enough to have at least SOME sympathy for a parent in a situation he was in, faced with an ill wife and almost certainty that he would get the virus like his close colleagues.  The alternative is to carry on ranting and railing about it, which only perpetuates anger and keep the level of hype up, which is not good for anyone - except his political opponents who will want to keep this going as long as they can - and that is not something to be proud of.

The majority of the country followed the lockdown rules, with many of us having vulnerable family members, struggling mental health and the feeling of being trapped.

A senior member of the government arrogantly thought he could ignore the rules, and yet some are trying to defend it. Quite odd really.

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