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5 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

 

Hopefully they are right.

There still hasn't been a second wave in any country so hopefully that holds true for us too.

I also think we will be able to travel to Europe and other "virus-free" countries sometime in July.

Indeed, it feels (instinctively) at this moment that there will not be a second wave.

I'm surmising though that social distancing is such a key factor, as is basic hygiene.

With the vaccine news today as well, September is looking very hopeful.

Ps. We need to keep borders carefully monitored though because C19 is spreading elsewhere in the world

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16 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Had to laugh at Twitter comment yesterday..."god bless retired chemistry teachers who Google licence plates and have the results in their browser history"

I believe the problem here is that you can only find if the car is taxed and MOT'd not the name and address of the owner.

https://www.nationalnumbers.co.uk/faq/trace-a-registration.htm

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Foreign travel, particularly by plane , will not be as straightforward as previously, or as cheap. Airline bosses predicted it will be 3 years or so until things get 'back to normal'.  So I dont expect Barracuda angling trips to Tenerife @€120 rtn to be available any time soon. Likewise Cork -stanstead will not be 5 flights a day for average 60 quid return. Things have changed...maybe forever.

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One of the borders that needs most controlling is the one out of the UK as the UK is one of the countries that is seen as not having the virus under control. And it won’t be seen as having it under control until if and when it finally effectively implements test track and isolate months after other countries.
 

It seems more concerned though that Boris can’t function without his minder. He is bad enough with his minder in place so they must be really concerned about how he will perform without Cummings. 

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18 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

 

Hopefully they are right.

There still hasn't been a second wave in any country so hopefully that holds true for us too.

I also think we will be able to travel to Europe and other "virus-free" countries sometime in July.

Virus free nations by July seems very optimistic to me.   I'm not sure that any nation has got particularly close to this status just yet and if they loosen restrictions ws they must the risk obviously increases

I don't expect anything like a normal holiday until 2021.

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27 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I would be surprised and obviously delighted if that were the case, I wouldn’t hold your breath though.

Holding your breath is a sure fire way to ensure that there is at least one death that day... 

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3 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Virus free nations by July seems very optimistic to me.   I'm not sure that any nation has got particularly close to this status just yet and if they loosen restrictions ws they must the risk obviously increases

I don't expect anything like a normal holiday until 2021.

Iceland is down to 3 active cases, and they are planning on easing restrictions in June. They are looking at testing visitors on arrival

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8 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Its the Gupta theory.

If true then track and trace won't make a blind bit of difference if it naturally dies away.

Can't say I'm convinced yet though.

Did the antibody survey from which we got the 17 % and 5% figures from ever get published?

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3 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Iceland is down to 3 active cases, and they are planning on easing restrictions in June. They are looking at testing visitors on arrival

Yes fair enough.  I had meant to qualify it as 'major nation'.

Either way I'm not sure that we can all fit into hotels in iceland and the channel islands!

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2 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Did the antibody survey from which we got the 17 % and 5% figures from ever get published?

If Gupta's position is  correct and there is already a large residual immunity because of similar coronavirus's then those figures are less relevant. The next couple of months should reveal the answer.

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20 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Iceland is down to 3 active cases, and they are planning on easing restrictions in June. They are looking at testing visitors on arrival

Greece immediately implemented mandatory quarantine for 24 hours for all visitors/residents on incoming flights - 24 hours were whilst test results were processed, and the government organised the hotels for that quarantine to take place en masse I believe. £5000 fine for breaking that quarantine period - If you had the virus I think they imposed further quarantine (but not sure on that). 

The result is that in a population of around 11 million (of which large proportions are elderley - around 25% are pensionable age), they've had 170 deaths (16 deaths per million compared to 551 in the UK) and less than 3000 cases. We had more deaths yesterday than they have in the entire pandemic. We had more cases yesterday than they've had in the entire pandemic. 

Lots of factors go into that, lifestyle, density of population etc, but it makes a mockery of those who think Boris and co are doing a good job.

They're open for summer tourist season but not to countries where the virus is still not under control so suspect UK tourists won't be welcome.

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Been a few false dawns. I would love to think, apart from social distancing, we would  recover some of summer. And get back to something akin to real life. 

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Cummings has been summoned to Downing Street - Seen entering in the last few minutes. Writing appears to be on the wall.... but that might just be where Bojo has been drawing on them in crayon again.

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No excuse for passive rather than active approach not least to rebuild confidence in UK. The track trace isolate isn’t important comment shows s total disregard for people’s lives  Even if there is high immunity not everyone has it so track trace and isolate is vital to protect those who don’t have immunity    A shocking attempt to deflect from the failure of government policy like venilators don’t matter  ICUs do matter though  Like Cummings anything to deflect from the truth    No morals whatsoever  

Meanwhile Peston saying ministers don’t believe Cummings will last. Problem is Boris Gove Hancock Patel and Sunak have pinned their colours to the one rule for us and another for the rest of population mast. 

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8 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Greece immediately implemented mandatory quarantine for 24 hours whilst test results were processed, and the government organised the hotels for that quarantine to take place en masse I believe. £5000 fine for breaking that quarantine period - If you had the virus I think they imposed further quarantine (but not sure on that). 

The result is that in a population of around 11 million (of which large proportions are elderley - around 25% are pensionable age), they've had 170 deaths (16 deaths per million compared to 551 in the UK) and less than 3000 cases. We had more deaths yesterday than they have in the entire pandemic. We had more cases yesterday than they've had in the entire pandemic. 

Lots of factors go into that, lifestyle, density of population etc, but it makes a mockery of those who think Boris and co are doing a good job.

They're open for summer tourist season but not to countries where the virus is still not under control so suspect UK tourists won't be welcome.

Indeed U.K.reported  with US  and Russia as one of the countries who don’t currently have the virus under control criteria. 

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Maybe Cummings will resign, then just continue to advise Boris in a much less public way...for a few months. Then get appointed back with a different title and do exactly the same as he has been doing up until now

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35 minutes ago, ricardo said:

If Gupta's position is  correct and there is already a large residual immunity because of similar coronavirus's then those figures are less relevant. The next couple of months should reveal the answer.

Quite possibly we are best critical level but dont even realise it.

I wanted to read the study though so shame if it is not published

 

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13 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Maybe Cummings will resign, then just continue to advise Boris in a much less public way...for a few months. Then get appointed back with a different title and do exactly the same as he has been doing up until now

That's a terribly cynical view. Probably correct though.😀

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

1 press briefing, 1 (and only) Commons statement and 3 PMQs have worn him out.

You didn’t include the time taken to towel him down and reassure him that his performance was far better than Starmer’s. 

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5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Betting market suspended.

Looks like you are quids in Ricardo(o).

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36 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Maybe Cummings will resign, then just continue to advise Boris in a much less public way...for a few months. Then get appointed back with a different title and do exactly the same as he has been doing up until now

The point I made yesterday in that regard was why was Cummings being kept on, as electronic communication would allow what you state.

That is where the real concern should be

Why is it so important that those running Johnson want him in the 'thick of things'. Because as the above he would have not ability to attend meetings and so put over their view - which is pretty much what the number crunchers tell him. Just as with Johnson

Advocate a policy on the basis that a greater percentage will support than oppose. Cummings is there to ensure those numbers are used. Johnson has not the ability, as like Trump, he wilts at the first sig of a reasoned question.

So I expect it maybe  case of 'lets' see how thus is playing'.

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6 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Looks like you are quids in Ricardo(o).

Very much hope so.

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18 minutes ago, Herman said:

How much did you put on?

Other people's money? Sounds like a job for Nuttyo.

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14 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

The pull of this guy on the left is incredible.

Whether or not a guy had good reason to drive a car should not be as big a story of the fact that we have over taken italy in terms of deaths per head. The horrid symbolism of this is what should matter.

Perhaps outside of the activist bubbles it is what matters.

Those 'activists' being all the major media outlets, all the major political parties and more specifically Tory MPs

Those similarly as active as Cummings but have been fined, unlike him

I expect it also matters to that group of non activists.... those who have stayed at home and observed the lock down

And the idea this will soon be forgotten is just more idiotic wishful thinking - just as the furore over the Libdems failed promise to remove student fees. 'Forgotten' until the next election where they were hammered.

And the real question remains - what is so important that clinging on to Cummings is so vital ? Why does he have to be working INSIDE No 10 ?

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