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[ricardo 7,347]

12 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Think Sky News are also well behind the curve then, it was about a fortnight ago he actually made that speech.

He provided an object lesson in how effective it can be for a political leader to show a bit of humility and honesty - a lesson that our bunch of incompetent chancers would be well advised to follow but have, of course, completely ignored - par for the course really as taking good advice, especially from other countries, is definitely not something this government could ever be accused of.

I wonder why nobody is criticising Macron for France only testing half as many people as the UK.

Edited April 30, 2020 by ricardo

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

15 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Ah yes Germany again RTB. Yes that is what the latest reporting said and it will show up in the data eventually. What is unavoidable is looking at these two charts and going “WTF?, why is the UK the worst in Europe for daily death rate and worst in Europe for the number of tests run”? 

The biggest factor is population density, I would guess. 

[Herman 9,715]

Is it because we're not French?

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

2 minutes ago, Herman said:

Is it because we're not French?

Doesnt stop you criticising Trump

[The Real Buh 3,423]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-who-not-invited-to-join-chinas-covid-19-investigations-11981193

You can forget brexit, it’s yesterday’s news

The thing to argue about now is China.

[Van wink 2,994]

8 minutes ago, ricardo said:

I wonder why nobody is criticising Macron for France only testing half as many people as the UK.

I thinks because he apologises a lot.

 

[ricardo 7,347]

1 minute ago, Van wink said:

I thinks because he apologises a lot.

 

A sorry excuse😔

[Bill 1,788]

56 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

So I was mistaken then when the shelves were bare of pasta and bread a few weeks back and are bare of flour now!! Suggest you take a wander round Sainsburys or Tesco or my local Co-op or my local One Stop and see how thin some of the shelves are now. These shortages are due to panic buying / hoarding + interruptions in supply chains / change in demand (lack of usual size bags for traditional 3lb Flour for example). I agree there was some lack of preparation by the Govt. but to blame it on 'stockpiling for Brexit' is just  trying to play the pro EU Remain card.    

You seem to be confusing yourself

Initial panic buying meant that certain products could not be restocked quick enough - which was a logistical problem, not one of shortage.

I have not seen these supposed shortages now that you claim. Nor has there been any reports in the media of them. Do you shop in the UK ?

As to your "but to blame it on 'stockpiling for Brexit'" that is just you making stuff up, so as to be able to knock it down as I never said that. My point, actually, was quite the opposite. That there has not been any shortage is because the government had worked with suppliers to stock pile food in anticipation of Brexit. So when this crisis hit there was enough food to cope with panic buying, as

" "Planning for a no deal Brexit was in this sense a useful exercise for retailers and manufacturers to have gone through, and helped prepare them to deal with this surge in demand. "

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1267256/brexit-news-uk-business-economy-brexit-planning-coronavirus-covid-19-stockpiling

I expect you will dismiss the above from the Daily Express as a biased attempt by them " trying to play the pro EU Remain card. "

trying to play the pro EU Remain card.     "

You seem to be confusing yourself"

 

[Herman 9,715]

24 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Doesnt stop you criticising Trump

I'm on the Queen's side.🤣

https://twitter.com/SpiceyBrisket/status/1017889272093859840

 

[Bill 1,788]

Of course, you won't find any evidence of this stockpiling .................................unless you search for it 😊

Odd how the rightys never seem to do that, preferring to spout out some flawed nonsense instead

" Britain’s warehouses are once again filled to near-capacity thanks to businesses stockpiling goods in case of delays and holdups at ports in the event of a no-deal exit from the European Union. Businesses are choosing these facilities to store a broad variety of goods ranging from food produce to clothes in an effort to ensure stocks do not run low "

https://descrier.co.uk/business/brexit-stockpiling-puts-pressure-on-uk-warehouse-space/

So the thought still holds, that pandemic planning was pushed aside to prepare for Brexit shortage. ......much as informed folk had predicted would happen

Medical supplies were for normal usage, not for any pandemic - even though the government had repeatedly been warned that the NHS did not have sufficient stockpiles see exercise Cygnus

Thankfully there a plenty enough people at the right level to hold those responsible to account - and all those on here can do is to rebut the lies and misinformation put out by the usual suspect as they put bigoted loyalty above the truth.

 

[Bill 1,788]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

So I was mistaken then when the shelves were bare of pasta and bread a few weeks back and are bare of flour now!! Suggest you take a wander round Sainsburys or Tesco or my local Co-op or my local One Stop and see how thin some of the shelves are now. These shortages are due to panic buying / hoarding + interruptions in supply chains / change in demand (lack of usual size bags for traditional 3lb Flour for example). I agree there was some lack of preparation by the Govt. but to blame it on 'stockpiling for Brexit' is just trying to play the pro EU Remain card.     

Glad to see Ricardo was out and about to see for himself how the supermarkets are now - rather than just agreeing with some fellow righty 🤣

(eat your GRennes)

[Bill 1,788]

People often ask me 'are rightys' really as thick as you claim ?"

The simple answer is yes...... probably even thicker than what they appear

Here are some fine examples from the US demonstrating their stupidity for all to see

• by claiming the health workers are actors !
• as people already die then it doesn't matter - 60,000 extra is of no concern ?
• and it is only the old anyway
• the truth is 'misinformation'

perhaps some elderly rightys on here might care to comment on whether the UK should follow suit and remove all restrictions

while it is easy to laugh at the stupidity of rightys - the clip below shows how much intentional distortions were being spewed out 2 months ago, what was really being said to the gullible, a disturbing insight into the minds of the rightys

ignorance kills. and continues to kill

 

[Surfer 1,547]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

The biggest factor is population density, I would guess. 

A very poor guess IMO. the charts posted are for deaths per million population, not deaths per million acres. German cities will have a similar density to UK ones. The fact there is a lot of forest between several of them is irrelevant. 

[Barbe bleu 814]

10 minutes ago, Surfer said:

A very poor guess IMO. the charts posted are for deaths per million population, not deaths per million acres. German cities will have a similar density to UK ones. The fact there is a lot of forest between several of them is irrelevant. 

According to wikipedia the population density of greater London is  5666/sq.km.  That is higher than any german city. The most densely populed city in germany is munich at 4668/sq.km Berlin is 3948 /square.km

The population of the london metropolitan area  is something like 15 million. Its going to be easier for a disease to spread amongst these 15 million than between 15 million  in number of smaller, scattered cities like we see in germany. The mixing of people is going to be less free if there are acres of forest between the cities and it's free mixing that leads to difficulties in containment. 

I dont doubt that Germany's demographics have aided them.  I'm bot.going to say though that it.is the biggest reason.

[Herman 9,715]

Population density is one reason but it is being overused. Look at a city like Athens to see that reaction timings was a crucial factor. 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

7 hours ago, Bill said:

People often ask me 'are rightys' really as thick as you claim ?"

The simple answer is yes...... probably even thicker than what they appear

Here are some fine examples from the US demonstrating their stupidity for all to see

• by claiming the health workers are actors !
• as people already die then it doesn't matter - 60,000 extra is of no concern ?
• and it is only the old anyway
• the truth is 'misinformation'

perhaps some elderly rightys on here might care to comment on whether the UK should follow suit and remove all restrictions

while it is easy to laugh at the stupidity of rightys - the clip below shows how much intentional distortions were being spewed out 2 months ago, what was really being said to the gullible, a disturbing insight into the minds of the rightys

ignorance kills. and continues to kill

 

This sort of polarised thinking “the righty’s are our to get me” is going to obsolete in a post virus world. You already look like a relic from the 2016 presidential election. You’d be better to try and learn to co-operate and discuss with reasonable people and ignore the fringe elements of both wings of politics You will be a lot happier and less consumed with rage and hate.

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

I  see Trump is back on his blame game this morning - got to blame somebody - find some scapegoat.

I saw the Iceland post earlier on here (they 'got' most cases via UK etc) - and if I recall there was also a Cambridge University study that modelled and looked at the genetic history and spread of the virus globally  (PNAS ?).

They divided it into three basic strains  A, B and C with A the oldest closest to the supposed 'bat' origin later mutating into B an C.  Oddly strain A was not the most prevalent in Wuhan (that was B)  but A hinted at an origin in southern China September to December 2019 that largely went unnoticed until it got into Wuhan. The theory has some merit in that an origin in southern China is quite normal for these things and the first cases of the virus in Wuhan I believe didn't have any obvious links to the 'market' although later cases did. The Wuhan 'market' origin for the virus may in fact be simply coincidental.

There are any number of daft conspiracy theories circulating (man made, US 'import' and so on) - best left to the scientists to unravel as above.  

Edited May 1, 2020 by Yellow Fever

[TIL 1010 4,722]

It was good to see how pleasant to read and observe this thread was during the day yesterday but then of course somebody turned up and made it not so.

[ricardo 7,347]

8 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

It was good to see how pleasant to read and observe this thread was during the day yesterday but then of course somebody turned up and made it not so.

Never mind, I expect he will off dancing round the Maypole today😂

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

1 minute ago, ricardo said:

Never mind, I expect he will off dancing round the Maypole today😂

Well the May pole is of Germanic origin.....

[ricardo 7,347]

1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

Well the May pole is of Germanic origin.....

I think Bill is more manic than Germanic.😉

[The Real Buh 3,423]

13 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

It was good to see how pleasant to read and observe this thread was during the day yesterday but then of course somebody turned up and made it not so.

But...But... The Righty’s are coming...

[ricardo 7,347]

This is going to be a long old job, Singapore still struggling with it.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-932-new-cases-in-singapore-on-friday-as-total-crosses-17000

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

1 minute ago, ricardo said:

This is going to be a long old job, Singapore still struggling with it.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-932-new-cases-in-singapore-on-friday-as-total-crosses-17000

Yes - once it gets into communal living spaces looks like it's really tricky to control  - care homes, prisons, dorms and similar.

 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

1 minute ago, ricardo said:

This is going to be a long old job, Singapore still struggling with it.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-932-new-cases-in-singapore-on-friday-as-total-crosses-17000

I guess as the countries Heavily infected re-open their societies re-infection will become a big risk, particularly with poorer countries.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

This virus is different I know but does anyone know the history of pandemic or even epidemic viral infections? I was always led to believe a virus was a one off. It didn't replicate once the body was successful in fighting it off.

[The Real Buh 3,423]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-right-that-cummings-sits-on-sage-committee-rwzpg3vzx

 

The blummin Righty’s are at it again lads!

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

30 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Never mind, I expect he will off dancing round the Maypole today😂

Hasnt Jobbo taken up Morris dancing?  I think he may have blocked me since looking so foolish , suggesting I don my balaclava and terrorise my  neighbours....who just happen to be my daughter's family...go figure. Hes defo ignoring me as I offered to buy him a plate of Scampi after he actually posted something that was pro common sense, no mention of SRCI, The Suffolk socialists or Todds hair, gloves or ability. This was a watershed moment. Not sure if hes posted since, maybe he's had an epiphany, hope hes ok, thought the Scampi might flush him out, worryingly , it hasn't. .....is he ill?

[TIL 1010 4,722]

9 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Hasnt Jobbo taken up Morris dancing?  I think he may have blocked me since looking so foolish , suggesting I don my balaclava and terrorise my  neighbours....who just happen to be my daughter's family...go figure. Hes defo ignoring me as I offered to buy him a plate of Scampi after he actually posted something that was pro common sense, no mention of SRCI, The Suffolk socialists or Todds hair, gloves or ability. This was a watershed moment. Not sure if hes posted since, maybe he's had an epiphany, hope hes ok, thought the Scampi might flush him out, worryingly , it hasn't. .....is he ill?

I think you have not grasped who we were talking about wcorkio and as for ' Jobbo ' as you describe him it looks like you have not been paying attention. 😜

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

I did realise you were talking about Billo, I just made a connection between Maypole dancing and Morris Dancing, maybe they ( City1st and Waveney, as you call them) have decided to Dance the Mayday in together, quite a sight I imagine.😉 

I could have been clearer, yes.

Edited May 1, 2020 by wcorkcanary