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[Van wink 2,994]

42 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Numerous superspreader events over the Jubillee celebrations likely the cause. 

Glastonbury next weekend. We learn to live with it.

Yes we will learn to live with it,  we are going into in a new wave of infections, possibly causing more significant clinical effects than the recent omicron wave. The way to live with it is to be aware of this, for It to be well be publicised by government ( which I haven’t seen so far)and for those with the greatest concern to take their own preventative action, if they so wish. Avoid large gatherings, wear a mask in public spaces, good personal hygiene etc etc.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Van wink

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

Numerous superspreader events over the Jubillee celebrations likely the cause. 

Glastonbury next weekend. We learn to live with it.

Except we aren't are we?

All we are doing is repeating the same mistakes we've already made several times before - wouldn't call that progress or learning.

 

[KernowCanary 214]

“Superspreader”, “prevail”, “common sense” and “Covidiot” have to be the worse words and phrases to come out of this nightmare.

[Van wink 2,994]

23 minutes ago, KernowCanary said:

“Superspreader”, “prevail”, “common sense” and “Covidiot” have to be the worse words and phrases to come out of this nightmare.

Or dead

[1902 1,167]

1 hour ago, KernowCanary said:

“Superspreader”, “prevail”, “common sense” and “Covidiot” have to be the worse words and phrases to come out of this nightmare.

As a pedant, I can't help but point out that three of them already existed.

[Van wink 2,994]

so whats happened to the 4th jab, people dropping like flies around Norfolk atm!!

[Well b back 3,190]

15 minutes ago, Van wink said:

so whats happened to the 4th jab, people dropping like flies around Norfolk atm!!

Limited vaccine, but more pressing is the panic that of those really needing their booster ( the over 75’s ) there has only been a 75% uptake.
 

[Well b back 3,190]

On 22/06/2022 at 20:46, Van wink said:

so whats happened to the 4th jab, people dropping like flies around Norfolk atm!!

I can give you a quick update if it helps.

As it stands as at September the new jabs ( Moderna new version to protect against 4a and 5 ) will be offered to over 65’s, vulnerable, nhs etc and another to immuno suppressed and over 75’s being offered a fifth. It seems you will also be offered flu one arm, covid the other. 
When Johnson is gone I suspect the age will be dropped to 50.

Please don’t shoot the messenger but the pandemic is far from over. Despite government guidelines the NHS have reintroduced mask wearing in a desperate effort to stop the spread. 863 deaths yesterday I believe, seven day average rising to 123 ( it was 7 this time last year ). 
With immunity clearly beginning to wane, hopefully the right messages will be sent leading up to September and bigger numbers will take the opportunity to get their boosters upto date. You are still not to late to top up if you did not take up your booster when it was due.

[Indy 3,283]

4 hours ago, Well b back said:

I can give you a quick update if it helps.

As it stands as at September the new jabs ( Moderna new version to protect against 4a and 5 ) will be offered to over 65’s, vulnerable, nhs etc and another to immuno suppressed and over 75’s being offered a fifth. It seems you will also be offered flu one arm, covid the other. 
When Johnson is gone I suspect the age will be dropped to 50.

Please don’t shoot the messenger but the pandemic is far from over. Despite government guidelines the NHS have reintroduced mask wearing in a desperate effort to stop the spread. 863 deaths yesterday I believe, seven day average rising to 123 ( it was 7 this time last year ). 
With immunity clearly beginning to wane, hopefully the right messages will be sent leading up to September and bigger numbers will take the opportunity to get their boosters upto date. You are still not to late to top up if you did not take up your booster when it was due.

Trouble is the NHS is so overwhelmed it’s going to be difficult to administer covid shots to all over 50’s. The hope was for a tablet or spray by now! Maybe a self administered injection can be the way forward?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

I'm 71 but haven't had notification yet. Mind you, I( was told I would be getting a blood pressure monitor 3 months ago and it still hasn't arrived and the surgery said they had run out. So I have stopped taking the statins.

Blood pressure will go up 30 July anyway.

[Well b back 3,190]

Just announced shock horror all over 50’s to be offered Covid jab. 

[Well b back 3,190]

Just about as we thought as Johnson starts to lose his authority, although I guess he will be telling us all down to him. Confirmation of flu jab as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62183714

[Well b back 3,190]

Again don’t shoot messenger but i hope the official figures are just on catch up as after another big day, 7 day average deaths is 247 per day.

[sonyc 5,489]

2 hours ago, Well b back said:

Again don’t shoot messenger but i hope the official figures are just on catch up as after another big day, 7 day average deaths is 247 per day.

I've just been amazed that we have heard precisely zilch from the new health secretary. Not a word. It's like there is no pandemic ongoing or one single care for the NHS. On the other hand both nationally and locally we hear of stories of the health service going under, lots of very worried doctors and nurses ...as well as numerous expert observers and scientists pleading for the public to take simple precautionary measures like wearing masks and keeping distances. 

Have to say it, it makes me angry really... that the issue simply doesn't seem to matter anymore. Like they've given up. We know there won't be another lockdown and nor do we want any, but surely the least we can expect of our national government is to provide advice and guidance.

I keep hearing how well Johnson has done in sorting Covid too.

Edited July 15, 2022 by sonyc

[littleyellowbirdie 2,510]

17 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I've just been amazed that we have heard precisely zilch from the new health secretary. Not a word. It's like there is no pandemic ongoing or one single care for the NHS. On the other hand both nationally and locally we hear of stories of the health service going under, lots of very worried doctors and nurses ...as well as numerous expert observers and scientists pleading for the public to take simple precautionary measures like wearing masks and keeping distances. 

Have to say it, it makes me angry really... that the matter simply doesn't seem to matter anymore. Like they've given up. We know there won't be another lockdown and nor do we want any but surely the least we can expect of our national government is to provide advice and guidance.

I keep hearing how well Johnson has done in sorting Covid too.

The public are exhausted by it. Covid is endemic now and mutating fast. Masks and wash hands, minimise socialising. That's what needs to happen in an ideal world, but if government encouraged it, most would ignore, and if we made it mandatory there would be a huge backlash and a resurgence of antivax/antimask hysteria. 

The government did do extremely well in stealing a march on securing vaccine supplies earlier than most through early and large orders and very efficient medical trials assessment. Lots of failures elsewhere, but in that very important respect they played a blinder. 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

35 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I've just been amazed that we have heard precisely zilch from the new health secretary. Not a word. It's like there is no pandemic ongoing or one single care for the NHS. On the other hand both nationally and locally we hear of stories of the health service going under, lots of very worried doctors and nurses ...as well as numerous expert observers and scientists pleading for the public to take simple precautionary measures like wearing masks and keeping distances. 

Have to say it, it makes me angry really... that the issue simply doesn't seem to matter anymore. Like they've given up. We know there won't be another lockdown and nor do we want any, but surely the least we can expect of our national government is to provide advice and guidance.

I keep hearing how well Johnson has done in sorting Covid too.

Unfortunately, because of the exhausting work carried out during the height of the pandemic, most people forgot that the NHS was in a mess. Underfunded and undermanned. Probably funded at levels when people died younger and the population wax 10 million less.

Now we are back to "normal", the problem is highlighted, not just by one problem such as covid, but everything else that was put on pause. Should their be another major problem, it could well hit a crisis point.

Lets face it, Russia could be flattening Ukraine right now, but its just become normal now. We are consumed by Penny or Liz. Or the Lionesses.

Edited July 15, 2022 by keelansgrandad

[sonyc 5,489]

1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

The public are exhausted by it. Covid is endemic now and mutating fast. Masks and wash hands, minimise socialising. That's what needs to happen in an ideal world, but if government encouraged it, most would ignore, and if we made it mandatory there would be a huge backlash and a resurgence of antivax/antimask hysteria.

 

52 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Now we are back to "normal", the problem is highlighted, not just by one problem such as covid, but everything else that was put on pause. Should their be another major problem, it could well hit a crisis point.

Lets face it, Russia could be flattening Ukraine right now, but its just become normal now. We are consumed by Penny or Liz. Or the Lionesses.

Agree with both of your points. Would add that we ought always to be looking to "an ideal world" because although we won't achieve it, we strive towards better public behaviour. It isn't the time for government dictates but certainly encouragement and reporting and press releases on the simple data would be the responsible and competent thing to do. Not radio silence.

And yes, its as much about the state of our overall health service that is extremely concerning. The clapping for the NHS now truly feels like it was a sick joke (pardon the pun). I don't think it actually needs another major problem. The crisis is here now and not only that it's been seen to be coming for a decade. Doctors (if you know of any in your circle) will tell you. A couple I know have mentioned to me and these folk are not irrational leftie loonies, just concerned and dismayed professionals. It's arguably worse in the care sector. Again I just think back to Hancock and his 'Care' badge.

As you say KG it's a mad world when we are consumed with third rate politicians spouting the vaguest crap to try and impress.

Edited July 15, 2022 by sonyc

[Aggy 752]

2 hours ago, sonyc said:

...as well as numerous expert observers and scientists pleading for the public to take simple precautionary measures like wearing masks and keeping distances. 

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Yet at the nhs confed expo in June, a relatively small indoor space filled with thousands of health leaders and workers, no masks. Interesting I thought given the post at the top of this page to see the changes in attitudes.

edit: typically, this has now moved on to a new page, so the above should have said the post at the top of the previous page from a load of squit.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Aggy

[Well b back 3,190]

19 minutes ago, Aggy said:

Yet at the nhs confed expo in June, a relatively small indoor space filled with thousands of health leaders and workers, no masks. Interesting I thought given the post at the top of this page to see the changes in attitudes.

edit: typically, this has now moved on to a new page, so the above should have said the post at the top of the previous page from a load of squit.

Interesting, Johnson decided to scrap masks in non clinical areas against the will of most. Based on what is now happening due to this, even if you work in a completely non clinical area a mask is compulsory. 
 

[Aggy 752]

29 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Interesting, Johnson decided to scrap masks in non clinical areas against the will of most. Based on what is now happening due to this, even if you work in a completely non clinical area a mask is compulsory. 
 

I think making staff in healthcare settings wear masks is good sense regardless of covid. Interesting though that outside of the clinical setting, they weren’t wearing them when seemingly two months before in April they were.

If that’s the extent of “mask fatigue” for people who see the effects of covid day in day out at work, it (a) is not surprising non-clinical people are also not wearing masks when they don’t see the effects regularly, and (b) raises doubts about whether any amount of reporting figures would make any difference to the general public wearing masks.

Separate question, when you say compulsory, what exactly do you mean? I thought I’d read earlier this week that Trusts were making their own choices/guidelines, with various levels of “suggestions” from ICSs and NHSE. Is that not the case?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

NHS trusts are free to make their own arrangements re mask wearing. In fact NHS England said only inpatients with Covid should be made to wear them. Cornwall and I believe Norwich have made it necessary to wear one in all NHS areas.

[Well b back 3,190]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

NHS trusts are free to make their own arrangements re mask wearing. In fact NHS England said only inpatients with Covid should be made to wear them. Cornwall and I believe Norwich have made it necessary to wear one in all NHS areas.

Indeed, however I don’t know of any trusts after this week where compulsory mask wearing ( from the trust ) has not been reintroduced.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,510]

6 hours ago, Well b back said:

Indeed, however I don’t know of any trusts after this week where compulsory mask wearing ( from the trust ) has not been reintroduced.

I've noticed that supermarket staff in France have all started wearing masks again; more of the customers are doing so as well. 

[Aggy 752]

8 hours ago, Well b back said:

Indeed, however I don’t know of any trusts after this week where compulsory mask wearing ( from the trust ) has not been reintroduced.

So the individual nhs trusts could have decided to do this previously, but didn’t (despite it apparently being obvious to all health professionals that it needed to be done), and are only now choosing to do it, while blaming the government for not forcing them to do it earlier?

(and I’m by no stretch of the imagination a supporter of this government but I’m struggling a bit on this one!)

Edited July 16, 2022 by Aggy

[KernowCanary 214]

That clapping really was cr@p from the start. It wasn’t even original, just copied from the Italians who were the first to introduce the so-called “Social movement”. Anne Marie Plais saw it on various foreign news agencies and felt “inspired”.

All we got for weeks on end every Thursday, was cringeworthy noise every fourth night of the week. Setting off fireworks, blasting car horns, police cars with their lights on going round roundabouts outside hospitals when they should be out there stopping people flouting the rules, noisy clapping and vocal noise accompanied with the shouting of slogans. They did all this virtue signalling cr@p while a clappers photo of a helipad on the roof of a hospital kept getting wheeled out by the media, the BBC kept doing live coverage of people clapping in different locations.

It was a really sickening thing and I’m glad I never took part. If I was an NHS employee, I would have been really pi**ed off at getting that nonsense and not a pay rise. My better half hated it being a NHS mental health nurse.

[Van wink 2,994]

On 14/07/2022 at 19:40, Well b back said:

I can give you a quick update if it helps.

As it stands as at September the new jabs ( Moderna new version to protect against 4a and 5 ) will be offered to over 65’s, vulnerable, nhs etc and another to immuno suppressed and over 75’s being offered a fifth. It seems you will also be offered flu one arm, covid the other. 
When Johnson is gone I suspect the age will be dropped to 50.

Please don’t shoot the messenger but the pandemic is far from over. Despite government guidelines the NHS have reintroduced mask wearing in a desperate effort to stop the spread. 863 deaths yesterday I believe, seven day average rising to 123 ( it was 7 this time last year ). 
With immunity clearly beginning to wane, hopefully the right messages will be sent leading up to September and bigger numbers will take the opportunity to get their boosters upto date. You are still not to late to top up if you did not take up your booster when it was due.

Thanks wbb

[Van wink 2,994]

On 15/07/2022 at 16:53, Well b back said:

Just announced shock horror all over 50’s to be offered Covid jab. 

👍

[sonyc 5,489]

On 15/07/2022 at 00:04, Indy said:

Trouble is the NHS is so overwhelmed it’s going to be difficult to administer covid shots to all over 50’s. The hope was for a tablet or spray by now! Maybe a self administered injection can be the way forward?

This is hopeful isn't it? 

Quite a few links emerging about this nasal spray (including in The Lancet).

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/health/mucosal-immunity-covid-19/index.html

 

[Tetteys Jig 830]

8 hours ago, sonyc said:

This is hopeful isn't it? 

Quite a few links emerging about this nasal spray (including in The Lancet).

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/health/mucosal-immunity-covid-19/index.html

 

I’ve seen studies come through my work that focus on Nasal sprays… hopefully they won’t be far off

[It's Character Forming 1,160]

Games of Thrones fans (technically A Song of Ice and Fire) will be interested to see George RR Martin cancelled a personal appearance at Comic Con (San Diego) due to Covid concerns.  Hopefully he can spend the time getting the next book in the series finished...or at least progressed.