Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted December 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Well b back said: Good move hopefully not to late https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59534685 They are too late if the intention was to slow Omicron. They may however limit the next one ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted December 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Indy said: Agree, but I wasn’t comparing the two, I was making the point we don’t even flinch at the flu, what point do we do the same with Covid? The numbers of hospitalisation and deaths at the current levels is very much less than some were forecasting, we have a number of viral treatments in conjunction with vaccines and let’s not beat round the bush it’s predominantly those with other life threatening issues who are susceptible from both. Everyone know Covid is far more of a threat, but I think there’s going to be a point where it’s go as we are and there will be deaths, that’s the way of the world. Fair comment but the answer is really just an extension or corollary of the one before. When Covid is stable, largely predictable and  no more of an issue than a typical seasonal flu year. I suspect we are still some way off that as Omicron looks very infectious, far more than flu, and unless it then behaves as a common cold. If say half of us got proper flu then the NHS would easily collapse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,284 Posted December 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Fair comment but the answer is really just an extension or corollary of the one before. When Covid is stable, largely predictable and  no more of an issue than a typical seasonal flu year. I suspect we are still some way off that as Omicron looks very infectious, far more than flu, and unless it then behaves as a common cold. If say half of us got proper flu then the NHS would easily collapse. Well true, but as you say initial reports look like it’s fairly mild in its symptoms so fingers crossed we get a good result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted December 4, 2021 53 minutes ago, Indy said: Well true, but as you say initial reports look like it’s fairly mild in its symptoms so fingers crossed we get a good result. it's the unpredictability for sure. at current levels it's a bit of a nuisance but not a big problem. We've seen what can happen if our vaccine wall fails though so I guess the key is gaining trust in that. For me, I'm still confident it will but I appreciate others are more apprehensive. I'm waiting for my go at the sniffles later this week after being sat watching the panto surrounded by snotty kids this afternoon anyway! Gotta give Dr Pfizer a bit of a test at some point! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said: it's the unpredictability for sure. at current levels it's a bit of a nuisance but not a big problem. We've seen what can happen if our vaccine wall fails though so I guess the key is gaining trust in that. For me, I'm still confident it will but I appreciate others are more apprehensive. I'm waiting for my go at the sniffles later this week after being sat watching the panto surrounded by snotty kids this afternoon anyway! Gotta give Dr Pfizer a bit of a test at some point! Everyone is going to get it at sometime, hopefully with the vax prog and new medication it will be a mild illness for most of us. The odds are much more in our favour than twelve months ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 5, 2021 Good news from South Africa. Â Â 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,604 Posted December 5, 2021 On 17/07/2021 at 20:12, Well b back said: Those with Pfizer 2 doses all seem ok, but it got me wondering. As I was so exposed did my body have to have a fight to kill off any Delta that made its way into me ? Am I know filled with immunity to Delta as well, is being exposed to it to that extreme the same as actually testing positive. Would love to know. Yes and no. The vaccine improves your immune's system ability to fight the corona virus. Immunity is not 100% hence you can still find covid-19 in your system and test positive. If you have been exposed to the Delta variant then it could possibly boost your immunity to it further. It depends upon how heavy a dose and how long you were exposed to it. Also, our immune systems are all different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 5, 2021 National 43,992 - 54 rate of increase of 5.4%     Local Norwich  West rate       259.6     Local  R estimated 0.9 - 1.1    N&N Patients (falling)    30-11-2021                                  20 29-11-2021 23 28-11-2021 24 27-11-2021 26 26-11-2021 27           Vax     1st Dose    25,679            88.8% done                    Norwich numbers  77.6% 2nd Dose    35,719            80.9% done                                                      70.9% Booster    448,975    total         20,258,417               35.2% In Hospital  02-12-2021                                  7,373 01-12-2021 7,321 30-11-2021 7,652 29-11-2021 7,645 28-11-2021 7,420 27-11-2021 7,395 26-11-2021 7,550 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted December 6, 2021 So omicron is an anagram of moronic. Coincidence? Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted December 6, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59542211#comments seems most of the premise of this is to request treating pandemic preparedness the same way we'd have a defence budget and an army even when we aren't at war. Its a pretty good point and just like the army, I doesn't mean we'd have a bunch of scientists sat around twiddling their thumbs in times where there is no pandemic etc. Interesting hearing her comments on Omicron, starting to look like we could have astronomical cases but still keep the vast majority people from hospitalisation if the vaccines still prevent serious illness and death. I wonder if we'd accept 500k cases a day but no risk from current hospitalisation and death levels? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,284 Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59542211#comments seems most of the premise of this is to request treating pandemic preparedness the same way we'd have a defence budget and an army even when we aren't at war. Its a pretty good point and just like the army, I doesn't mean we'd have a bunch of scientists sat around twiddling their thumbs in times where there is no pandemic etc. Interesting hearing her comments on Omicron, starting to look like we could have astronomical cases but still keep the vast majority people from hospitalisation if the vaccines still prevent serious illness and death. I wonder if we'd accept 500k cases a day but no risk from current hospitalisation and death levels? Wouldn’t 500k per day build up herd immunity in 120 days? Edited December 6, 2021 by Indy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted December 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Indy said: Wouldn’t 500k per day build up herd immunity in 120 days? I guess in theory it would take 70m people 120 days to get infected at a rate of 500k a day. Alternatively, if the Omicron rate doubled every day to a peak then halved every day to the end we'd peak at 16m infections on day 24 and infect 48m in 47 days 😆 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 6, 2021 ZOE going back up. is it the Omicron rush? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 752 Posted December 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59542211#comments seems most of the premise of this is to request treating pandemic preparedness the same way we'd have a defence budget and an army even when we aren't at war. Its a pretty good point and just like the army, I doesn't mean we'd have a bunch of scientists sat around twiddling their thumbs in times where there is no pandemic etc. Interesting hearing her comments on Omicron, starting to look like we could have astronomical cases but still keep the vast majority people from hospitalisation if the vaccines still prevent serious illness and death. I wonder if we'd accept 500k cases a day but no risk from current hospitalisation and death levels? Haven’t read the article but it’s not just about scientists. The government has underfunded the nhs for decades and then seemed surprised when it didn’t have enough beds, masks or protective equipment. As we’ve been saying, hospitals are almost overwhelmed virtually every year, the waiting lists were a joke before covid etc etc. That’s not just because we haven’t got an army of scientists waiting for a pandemic, it’s because the funding has been a shambles for ages. As to the last question, why would we not? If you could guarantee hospitals wouldn’t be overwhelmed, you surely wouldn’t care less how many cases there are - same way we don’t care how much common cold there is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 6, 2021 National 51,459 - 45 rate of increase of 9.1%    Omicron is here. Local Norwich  West rate       285.5     Local  R estimated 0.9 - 1.1    N&N Patients (falling) 30-11-2021                               20 29-11-2021 23 28-11-2021 24 27-11-2021 26   Vax     1st Dose    21,995            88.9% done                    Norwich numbers  77.6% 2nd Dose    27,166            81% done                                                      70.9% Booster    290,165    total         20,580,644               35.8% In Hospital  03-12-2021                                7,268 02-12-2021 7,383 01-12-2021 7,327 30-11-2021 7,658 29-11-2021 7,652 28-11-2021 7,426 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, Aggy said: Haven’t read the article but it’s not just about scientists. The government has underfunded the nhs for decades and then seemed surprised when it didn’t have enough beds, masks or protective equipment. As we’ve been saying, hospitals are almost overwhelmed virtually every year, the waiting lists were a joke before covid etc etc. That’s not just because we haven’t got an army of scientists waiting for a pandemic, it’s because the funding has been a shambles for ages. As to the last question, why would we not? If you could guarantee hospitals wouldn’t be overwhelmed, you surely wouldn’t care less how many cases there are - same way we don’t care how much common cold there is. Hospitalisation and deaths still decreasing. If Omicron is indeed less dangerous then rising cases may be irrelevant. Time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,284 Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ricardo said: Hospitalisation and deaths still decreasing. If Omicron is indeed less dangerous then rising cases may be irrelevant. Time will tell. If it’s as mild as first indications this could be the strain which dominates with no real illness which is what was forecast in the mutations. Indeed Time will tell. Edited December 6, 2021 by Indy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted December 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, ricardo said: Hospitalisation and deaths still decreasing. If Omicron is indeed less dangerous then rising cases may be irrelevant. Time will tell. The mutations making it more transmissible but less virulent 🤞 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Van wink said: The mutations making it more transmissible but less virulent 🤞 Early indications suggest this will be how it plays out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, ricardo said: National 51,459 - 45 rate of increase of 9.1%    Omicron is here. Omicron is indeed here but formally we only have 336 cases so far - the upsurge here is likely still mainly Delta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted December 7, 2021 Regarding the reports in last 24 hours or so about the Booster program slowing down or stalling despite the Government wanting it sped up, in my case it feels so. Im in my mid 60s and my Booster request was received nearly 2 weeks ago in City centre, same for my son in his 40s and with Special Needs and we are still waiting for a confirmation date of any kind. It of course has now clashed with the "All adults can now receive the Booster". While really wanting to get our boosters, especially as Omicron has now started to spread itself widely, as with my double jabs earlier in the year patience is required i guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Just an observation on Omicron doubling speed. If, as is suggested, it is doubling every few days unconstrained that would to me seem to suggest that its either found an otherwise undiscovered unvaccinated tribe (perhaps children?)  - or as now seems far more likely - vaccines themselves are not 'slowing' it much effectively (but lets hope in severity). Clearly there is no 'herd' or population immunity saturation effect visible at present. Edited December 7, 2021 by Yellow Fever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted December 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Essjayess said: Regarding the reports in last 24 hours or so about the Booster program slowing down or stalling despite the Government wanting it sped up, in my case it feels so. Im in my mid 60s and my Booster request was received nearly 2 weeks ago in City centre, same for my son in his 40s and with Special Needs and we are still waiting for a confirmation date of any kind. It of course has now clashed with the "All adults can now receive the Booster". While really wanting to get our boosters, especially as Omicron has now started to spread itself widely, as with my double jabs earlier in the year patience is required i guess. Was and partly is not good. Messed up by 1. Not being taken seriously in September 2. Cancelling the leases on the hubs 3. I know at which point you can go and get your booster, I wonder if any of you know wether it’s 3, 5 or 6 months currently 4. The leases on the big hubs cannot be renewed until mid January 5. Weren’t getting the important people there ie the more mature so invited over 40’s. Johnson has told you what you want to hear. As I have said many times forget texts, emails, booking, get to a walk in where you can get your jab straight away ( answer to 3. is 5 months at a walk in 6 on a booking ). Don’t delay please get it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,284 Posted December 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Just an observation on Omicron doubling speed. If, as is suggested, it is doubling every few days unconstrained that would to me seem to suggest that its either found an otherwise undiscovered unvaccinated tribe (perhaps children?)  - or as now seems far more likely - vaccines themselves are not 'slowing' it much effectively (but lets hope in severity). Clearly there is no 'herd' or population immunity saturation effect visible at present. Indeed, there’s an anomaly there, if it is that transmission is high because of single vaccines and reduced effectiveness, then it’s worth keeping an eye on the groups who’s actually testing positive on this variant. The numbers are still not a worry if hospitalisation and deaths stay at around the rate we’re currently seeing and first info on the severity of this strain is very encouraging. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,348 Posted December 7, 2021 National 45,691 - 180 rate of increase of 12.1%    slow rise Local Norwich  West rate       294.2     Local  R estimated 0.9 - 1.1    N&N Patients (falling) 30-11-2021                               20 29-11-2021 23 28-11-2021 24 27-11-2021 26   Vax     1st Dose    19,979            88.9% done                    Norwich numbers  77.7% 2nd Dose    25,012            81% done                                                      70.9% Booster    329,165    total         20,909,809               36.4% In Hospital  06-12-2021                                      7,317 05-12-2021 7,223 04-12-2021 7,128 03-12-2021 7,288 02-12-2021 7,390 01-12-2021 7,330 30-11-2021 7,661 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted December 8, 2021 Scientists hopeful Pfizer will protect against severe illness. Hospital figures it seems will be available in 2 weeks ( approximately ) but scientists are saying the U.K. figures will be more helpful than South Africa. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59573037 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,281 Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) Omicron.....anagram of Moronic.....Omicron B.....anagram of No crimbo..... Edited December 8, 2021 by Mello Yello Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARYKING 634 Posted December 8, 2021 “ Plan B “ on the horizon, vaccine passports on the agenda for attending CR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, CANARYKING said: “ Plan B “ on the horizon, vaccine passports on the agenda for attending CR this should be fun... New rules for the plebs to follow. This from someone boosted and already WFH anyway... Edited December 8, 2021 by Tetteys Jig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites