Van wink 2,994 Posted October 22, 2021 Rate of increase in hospital figures very concerning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,583 Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, ricardo said: 255k booster and third primary jabs done yesterday.👍 Finally cracking on. Bit greedy of you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,167 Posted October 22, 2021 Gene Simmons complains about maskless mob Simmons? Meh I want to know how Slipknot feel..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,139 Posted October 22, 2021 Hi VW The latest efficacy rates are getting quoted at 20 weeks, the rates vary depending on which report you read. If you look as well at real world data you will see when Israel hit a problem and how Wales have followed in their footsteps. As I understand it ( after hearing the Israeli man in charge on Peston ) Israel are possibly planning for dose 4. You must remember as well they used Pfizer, whereas a lot of our older citizens had AstraZeneca ( and you know my love for Andrew, Sarah and co ). Here is a bit quoting a Lancet report, so not a dodgy website. I have seen AstraZeneca being quoted as low as 47% after 20 weeks and Pfizer has been as high as 77% at the same time. It is impossible to get 100% accurate figures as this is such a new disease, but wether you look at real world data, or any data studies, they will all show you get your booster as the longer you leave it ( and the older you are ) the more risk you have of catching it, and then following on the more chance you have of hospitalisation and of course death. Have a look at Israeli data, cases, hospitalisations and deaths you will see the 5 month effect. Our findings support recommendations from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) that adults who are clinically vulnerable, those aged 70 years or over, and all residents of care homes for older adults should be prioritised for booster doses. In addition, those who were vaccinated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine, including most care home residents, are likely to have much lower antibody levels than those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, so this may also need to be considered when deciding who takes priority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,139 Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Barbe bleu said: The boosters have been at around 200k a day for two weeks now 4 weeks in the government have finally launched a campaign to get publicity out on the boosters, strangely enough more people are now coming forward. 6 million now to catch up, let’s hope we can put it right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,139 Posted October 22, 2021 @Van wink This shows Israel data watch how cases start to rise after 5 months and cases drop after boosters and they are not that highly vaccinated as a % of population https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Well b back said: 4 weeks in the government have finally launched a campaign to get publicity out on the boosters, strangely enough more people are now coming forward. 6 million now to catch up, let’s hope we can put it right. Awful commercial though, just what is it with the glowing outlines round people’s bodies to illustrate immunity?. Covid commercials should have been to the point, like the AIDS ones. People took that seriously as a result. Covid ad-break campaigns are like cringe gimmicks in comparison. Edited October 22, 2021 by KernowCanary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted October 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Well b back said: @Van wink This shows Israel data watch how cases start to rise after 5 months and cases drop after boosters and they are not that highly vaccinated as a % of population https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ Thanks WBB and for the earlier response. I have been aware of the drop off for quite sometime but was interested in the data you were referring to so that’s very helpful. Studies are going to get a lot more complex as this progresses, we don’t now just have the initial variables of vaccine type, sex, ethnicity, age etc but throwing in potential previous infection, which variant was the infection from, different timing regimes of administering, boosters and boosting with different vaccines from the original etc etc ……the whole study is getting far more complex. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,263 Posted October 23, 2021 By the Governments own admission, the UK's position as the worst performing country in terms of covid infections and deaths is precisely what they expected and planned for: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7889938/rishi-sunak-lockdown-covid-boosters-winter-warning/ "Speaking at a vaccine centre in London, the PM today insisted that the surge of the virus was "always predicted" by scientists and is "fully in line with" what they expected. RISING CASES He said the most important thing people can do is come forward for their booster jabs. Boris said: "Our autumn and winter plan always predicted that cases would rise around about now. We’re certainly seeing that in the numbers. "We’re seeing high levels of infection, but they’re not outside the parameters of what was predicted or what we thought we’d see." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,239 Posted October 23, 2021 Updated chart with scenarios v actual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,263 Posted October 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, ricardo said: Fcuk off and amuse yourself with Swindon, you have nothing to contribute on here. Oh dear! Do you have a poll to "support" that? Perhaps you should read the articles you utter joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,687 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Neighbours both sides now have Covid. Just anecdotal. Edited October 23, 2021 by Yellow Fever Why can't we have an English spell checker please ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,687 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, horsefly said: By the Governments own admission, the UK's position as the worst performing country in terms of covid infections and deaths is precisely what they expected and planned for: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7889938/rishi-sunak-lockdown-covid-boosters-winter-warning/ "Speaking at a vaccine centre in London, the PM today insisted that the surge of the virus was "always predicted" by scientists and is "fully in line with" what they expected. RISING CASES He said the most important thing people can do is come forward for their booster jabs. Boris said: "Our autumn and winter plan always predicted that cases would rise around about now. We’re certainly seeing that in the numbers. "We’re seeing high levels of infection, but they’re not outside the parameters of what was predicted or what we thought we’d see." I saw that and also his off the cuff comments on masks (JRM - Ok with those you 'know') I just came to the conclusion that . a). Johnson (Sunak also) now 'own' it - same as the HGV and supply chain crisis - the 200 odd somewhat avoidable deaths a day (or as someone put it a 9/11 every 2 weeks) is all worth it and as per plan! b). He's making it up as he goes along. Edited October 23, 2021 by Yellow Fever 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,687 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ricardo said: Fcuk off and amuse yourself with Swindon, you have nothing to contribute on here. I share your exasperation with some posters! SC is a comedy act I'm sure. Edited October 23, 2021 by Yellow Fever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,976 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ricardo said: Fcuk off and amuse yourself with Swindon, you have nothing to contribute on here. Aren't you shooting the messenger here?? Good Law Project are the very opposite of Johnson in that they are always very sure of their facts before they say anything, and from memory I think they have won every time they've ended up in court with the Government. You may not like the message but it is unquestionably true however unpalatable you find it. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,239 Posted October 23, 2021 National 44,985 - 135 rate of increase of 15.2% over 7 days, Local Norwich rate 495.2 up 46% (7 days) a big rise locally continies. patients in N&N 19-10-2021 31 18-10-2021 33 17-10-2021 28 16-10-2021 28 15-10-2021 29 14-10-2021 28 13-10-2021 27 12-10-2021 29 Vax (recalibrated again) 1st Dose 44,558 85.9% done Norwich numbers 75% 2nd Dose 22,027 78.8% done 68.5% In Hospital 21-10-2021 8,238 20-10-2021 8,170 19-10-2021 7,924 18-10-2021 7,785 17-10-2021 7,420 16-10-2021 7,153 15-10-2021 7,130 14-10-2021 7,124 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 804 Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, horsefly said: B... Horsefly's turned up. The scent of blood in the water must be strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 804 Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said: Aren't you shooting the messenger here?? Good Law Project are the very opposite of Johnson in that they are always very sure of their facts before they say anything, and from memory I think they have won every time they've ended up in court with the Government. You may not like the message but it is unquestionably true however unpalatable you find it. Horsefly's jolyeon maugham? Could be I guess, but it wasnt anyone first assumption.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,976 Posted October 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Barbe bleu said: Horsefly's jolyeon maugham? Could be I guess, but it wasnt anyone first assumption.... Is that the Tory Campaign HQ's official line, or are you just doing a bit of unpaid weekend overtime? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMarriot 298 Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ron obvious said: There's one born every minute - the Ivor Cummins story. https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/05/theres-one-born-every-minute-ivor.html You would have got more sense out of Ivor Cutler. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted October 24, 2021 A very considered response. I particularly admire the way you logically rebutted his arguments one by one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,687 Posted October 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, ron obvious said: A very considered response. I particularly admire the way you logically rebutted his arguments one by one. Ron - He's a self- publicist that if I recall was trying to argue with all his cherry picked facts and figures, graphs and leapt to conclusions to bamboozle people that we'd all reached herd immunity early summer 2020 - before the 'second wave' hit (I'd guess he'd argue Delta was different) . He's just trying (much as per Johnson) to sell a story that we all want to hear that we don't need to do anything. Easiest sell in the book (How's is his diet books doing?) to the unwary. If he's got something to say there is absolutely nothing to stop him putting forward a peer reviewed paper in say Nature with any of his sources. Arh but no - there is that 'conspiracy' against the facts..... Until then, well we'll actually stick to the experts and internationally agreed science. Of course there's more to learn and no doubt our understanding will change but not by his blarney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,687 Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MooreMarriot said: There's one born every minute - the Ivor Cummins story. https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/05/theres-one-born-every-minute-ivor.html Thanks MM - I really thought this guy had vanished but the link is a good takedown - as if it needed doing again! Edited October 24, 2021 by Yellow Fever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,263 Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Barbe bleu said: Horsefly's jolyeon maugham? Could be I guess, but it wasnt anyone first assumption.... Did you actually bother to read any of the articles I referred to, or were your references to me your only concern? If you're desperate for a signed photograph you only need to ask. Edited October 24, 2021 by horsefly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,239 Posted October 24, 2021 Thanks but we've got one. https://images.app.goo.gl/erbFJ2JbKFzahVTW7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMarriot 298 Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ron obvious said: A very considered response. I particularly admire the way you logically rebutted his arguments one by one. I don't need to . Others much better qualified than him or me have already done it .His much loved graphs have been ridiculed by proper mathematicians , everyone of his predictions about the course of the pandemic have been proved to be wrong by proper epidemiologists and virologists. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted October 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, MooreMarriot said: I don't need to . Others much better qualified than him or me have already done it .His much loved graphs have been ridiculed by proper mathematicians , everyone of his predictions about the course of the pandemic have been proved to be wrong by proper epidemiologists and virologists. Could you provide some links please. You don't have to of course, but then I'd have no more reason to believe you than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 804 Posted October 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, horsefly said: Did you actually bother to read any of the articles I referred to, or were your references to me your only concern? If you're desperate for a signed photograph you only need to ask. Quite honestly, I didn't read the articles. I am of sure I have missed much but please feel free to provide a summary Can I have a signed photo? That would be smashing. Yes, please! In all seriousness though like some pseudo sexual shark you venture onto these pages only when you scent blood. Thank god the other half of the act hasn't made an appearance too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites