Van wink 2,994 Posted September 4, 2021 2 hours ago, ricardo said: ZOE drops sharply for second day running. Tim will be adding a few more weights to the dice before longĀ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) National 37,011 - 68 rate of increase 3.6% Some areas up some down, overall still fairly static Ā Local Norwich infection rateĀ Ā Ā Ā 296.1 Ā Ā up 1.7% on the week (24 patients in N&N Ā down from 25Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā ( updated to 31st Aug)) Ā Vax 1st DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 39,752Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 88.8% done Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Norwich numbersĀ Ā 76.5%Ā (recalibrated due to 16+ now eligible) 2nd DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 127,156 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 79.8% doneĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 67% In Hospital 02-09-2021Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 7,541 01-09-2021 7,611 31-08-2021 7,629 30-08-2021 7,292 29-08-2021 7,064 28-08-2021 6,936 27-08-2021 7,045 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Edited September 5, 2021 by ricardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,189 Posted September 5, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 08:13, Van wink said: Absolutely, there has been lots of waffle about this from the Government but no action, a wasted opportunity. They should just follow us on here VW I think. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58452953 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted September 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Well b back said: They should just follow us on here VW I think. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58452953 One asks why? What are they worried about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 6, 2021 National 41,192 - 45 rate of increase 12.2% Some areas up some down, slightly rising Ā Local Norwich infection rateĀ Ā Ā Ā 295.4 Ā Ā up 13.8% on the week (24 patients in N&N Ā down from 25Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā ( updated to 31st Aug)) Ā Vax 1st DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 21,795Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 88.8% done Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Norwich numbersĀ Ā 76.5%Ā (recalibrated due to 16+ now eligible) 2nd DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 73,193 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 79.9% doneĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 67.2% In Hospital 03-09-2021Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 7,606 02-09-2021 7,581 01-09-2021 7,644 31-08-2021 7,647 30-08-2021 7,306 29-08-2021 7,077 28-08-2021 6,948 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted September 6, 2021 Feels like it is taking off again to meĀ š Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said: Feels like it is taking off again to meĀ š Ā Expect cases to rise due to schools returning but its hospital numbers that really matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted September 6, 2021 Anyone know if cases have peaked in Scotland yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted September 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, ricardo said: Expect cases to rise due to schools returning but its hospital numbers that really matter. Yes, I do understand and agree with that R, but I tend to look at the equivalent day from the previous week and that is approx 26,000 to 41,000 - a huge jump. Last weekend was a BH so probably has some effect but the schools have literally only just gone back so not sure how much effect that could be having already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, It's Character Forming said: Anyone know if cases have peaked in Scotland yet? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mark .Y. said: Yes, I do understand and agree with that R, but I tend to look at the equivalent day from the previous week and that is approx 26,000 to 41,000 - a huge jump. Last weekend was a BH so probably has some effect but the schools have literally only just gone back so not sure how much effect that could be having already. Wales reported zero last week (when that 26k was reported) and 5k today (when 41k was reported) so I wouldn't give that jump much credence. Best to just go to the official data for a clear picture.Ā https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England We'll probably get a bit of a bump from schools and Unis so I guess it'll be time to get them booster doses sorted out soon... edit: the attached chart (Ā https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/nowcasting-and-forecasting-2nd-september-2021/) is interesting in suggesting 3Ā quarters of 15 to 24 year olds have already caught covid already... perhaps means we won't see it rampant through uni populations like we did past year that helped fuel the winter wave? Edited September 6, 2021 by Tetteys Jig 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,332 Posted September 7, 2021 15 hours ago, ricardo said: Expect cases to rise due to schools returning but its hospital numbers that really matter. Debilitating long covid cases are also something to be concerned withĀ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, kirku said: Debilitating long covid cases are also something to be concerned withĀ Is long covid real or psychosomatic or both? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 7, 2021 National 37,489 - 209 rate of increase 13.9% Some areas up some down, slightly rising Ā Local Norwich infection rateĀ Ā Ā Ā 294 Ā Ā up 16.8% on the week (24 patients in N&N Ā down from 25Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā ( updated to 31st Aug)) Ā Vax 1st DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 22,689Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 88.9% done Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Norwich numbersĀ Ā 76.5%Ā (recalibrated due to 16+ now eligible) 2nd DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 80,015 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 80.1% doneĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 67.3% In Hospital ( rising again) 06-09-2021Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 7,976 05-09-2021 7,697 04-09-2021 7,515 03-09-2021 7,637 02-09-2021 7,594 01-09-2021 7,656 31-08-2021 7,656 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted September 7, 2021 18 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said: Wales reported zero last week (when that 26k was reported) and 5k today (when 41k was reported) so I wouldn't give that jump much credence. Best to just go to the official data for a clear picture.Ā https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England We'll probably get a bit of a bump from schools and Unis so I guess it'll be time to get them booster doses sorted out soon... edit: the attached chart (Ā https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/nowcasting-and-forecasting-2nd-september-2021/) is interesting in suggesting 3Ā quarters of 15 to 24 year olds have already caught covid already... perhaps means we won't see it rampant through uni populations like we did past year that helped fuel the winter wave? I did notice the Wales figures TJ but still seemed like a huge jump to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,711 Posted September 7, 2021 3 hours ago, The Real Buh said: Is long covid real or psychosomatic or both? It is a real problem but I fear that there will be a small percentage of people that will use it to their advantage.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Herman said: It is a real problem but I fear that there will be a small percentage of people that will use it to their advantage.Ā Surely notš Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted September 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Herman said: It is a real problem but I fear that there will be a small percentage of people that will use it to their advantage.Ā Not enough research on it yet but itās not beyond the realms of imagination that a massive nationwide, worldwide even, monumental scare campaign that this is the deadliestĀ virus ever, stay indoors, donāt see your grandchildren, you could have it and not know it etc. All that and then you get it? Itās not beyond the realms is it that thereās a psychological effect going on. The placebo effect is very strong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted September 7, 2021 Trying to understand why in the UK, deaths, new infections and hospital admissions have all been slowly rising without let up since about 3rd week in July, while in most of the EU rates are much lower and pretty steady. Is this because the UK has far less restrictions about Covid now than the EU? Or maybe is it to do with efficacy? The EU in the last 2 or 3 months hasĀ vaxxed a lot of their population, virtually catching up to us inĀ the UK in many instances, while here at home newly vaxxed persons have been much lower due to our early big take up earlier in the year. Maybe the efficacy is slowly waning here while on the continent, as vaxxedĀ numbers are more recently high there the efficacy is better right now? I really would like to know the whys of these trends. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,742 Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Essjayess said: Trying to understand why in the UK, deaths, new infections and hospital admissions have all been slowly rising without let up since about 3rd week in July, while in most of the EU rates are much lower and pretty steady. Is this because the UK has far less restrictions about Covid now than the EU? Or maybe is it to do with efficacy? The EU in the last 2 or 3 months hasĀ vaxxed a lot of their population, virtually catching up to us inĀ the UK in many instances, while here at home newly vaxxed persons have been much lower due to our early big take up earlier in the year. Maybe the efficacy is slowly waning here while on the continent, as vaxxedĀ numbers are more recently high there the efficacy is better right now? I really would like to know the whys of these trends. Hi Ess. The efficacy argumentĀ you make might hold water if it was the early vaccine adopters that were gettingĀ sick in significant numbers. ItĀ isn'tĀ - it's the younger, moreĀ recent cohorts. The main reason is almost certainlyĀ better social distancing / restrictions in some parts of the EU (and yes we have fallen behind some EU countries as to vaccinations as well). Obviously thisĀ is a broadĀ brush approachĀ as per your original comment as all EU countries haveĀ different policies as do we with our current let it ripĀ approach (Pss. don't tell the Brexiteers). It's ripping. Edited September 7, 2021 by Yellow Fever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Essjayess said: Trying to understand why in the UK, deaths, new infections and hospital admissions have all been slowly rising without let up since about 3rd week in July, while in most of the EU rates are much lower and pretty steady. Is this because the UK has far less restrictions about Covid now than the EU? Or maybe is it to do with efficacy? The EU in the last 2 or 3 months hasĀ vaxxed a lot of their population, virtually catching up to us inĀ the UK in many instances, while here at home newly vaxxed persons have been much lower due to our early big take up earlier in the year. Maybe the efficacy is slowly waning here while on the continent, as vaxxedĀ numbers are more recently high there the efficacy is better right now? I really would like to know the whys of these trends. The simple answer is that we don't have enough information to give definite answers to these questions yet, we are trying to speculate sensibly. Ā Looking at the UK, it's important to separate out Scotland from England.Ā For England, after 19 July, it seems clear the numbers of new Covid casesĀ were static, then actually dropped for a period, and have been largely static since then.Ā I've not seen an analysis of the very recent data but they may be starting to creep up now. For Scotland, it also seems pretty clear they've had a steep rise in new cases since their schools reopened which I think was the start of August.Ā There are signs now that their new case numbers may be peaking and hopefully they will now start to decline.Ā Schools reopening plus Scotland not having a great summer seem likely reasons.Ā If so, my guess is that case numbers in England will follow a similar trajectory, hence I'm very keen to see how cases go in Scotland. Ā My guess is that the drop in England was due to people keeping a fair level of social distancing after restrictions were lifted, plus summer helping by people naturally meeting more outside, and school holidays, all meaning the level of immunity in the population (from vaccines plus having had Covid) was enough to suppress the virus for a period.Ā I'm guessing it is mainly the fact that people are behaving more normally and also the pretty poor summer weather for most of August that have stopped the decline in case numbers. Ā This was totally unexpected, when we removed restrictions on 19th July, all the expectation among experts was for a sharp rise in cases across the UK which has simply not happened.Ā We are now all expecting a sharp rise in England now that schools are back etc.Ā But time will tell whether the expectation is right this time around ! Edited September 8, 2021 by It's Character Forming typo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted September 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Yellow Fever said: Hi Ess. The efficacy argumentĀ you make might hold water if it was the early vaccine adopters that were gettingĀ sick in significant numbers. ItĀ isn'tĀ - it's the younger, moreĀ recent cohorts. The main reason is almost certainlyĀ better social distancing / restrictions in some parts of the EU (and yes we have fallen behind some EU countries as to vaccinations as well). Obviously thisĀ is a broadĀ brush approachĀ as per your original comment as all EU countries haveĀ different policies as do we with our current let it ripĀ approach (Pss. don't tell the Brexiteers). It's ripping. I arrived in Murcia, Spain about 2 hours ago - and boody hot it is too š Anyway, the point is, masks must still be worn in all shops and restaurants/cafes when moving about. According to my friend out here, it is being pretty strictly enforced. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted September 8, 2021 A complete change of approach by Australia reported here : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58406526 Simple common sense IMO and nothing that will be a surprise to any readers of this thread, and they will still probably get through the pandemic with a relatively low death toll (largely due to Australia being a long way away from the rest of the world IMO). Ā The only surprise really is that it has taken them until now to make this call. Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 8, 2021 National 38,975 - 191 rate of increase 15.3% Some areas up some down, slightly rising Ā Local Norwich infection rateĀ Ā Ā Ā 305 Ā Ā up 7.9% on the week (24 patients in N&N Ā down from 25Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā ( updated to 31st Aug)) Ā Vax 1st DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 26,624Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 88.9% done Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Norwich numbersĀ Ā 76.6%Ā (recalibrated due to 16+ now eligible) 2nd DoseĀ Ā Ā Ā 85,848 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 80.3% doneĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 67.5% In Hospital 07-09-2021Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 7,907 06-09-2021 7,992 05-09-2021 7,711 04-09-2021 7,523 03-09-2021 7,642 02-09-2021 7,601 01-09-2021 7,660 31-08-2021 7,659 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,341 Posted September 8, 2021 England mostly stable apart from school age testing on the rise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted September 8, 2021 1 minute ago, ricardo said: England mostly stable apart from school age testing on the rise. Thanks @ricardo/ I bet you can guess what I'm going to ask next.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 8, 2021 On 07/09/2021 at 13:03, The Real Buh said: Is long covid real or psychosomatic or both? both, which is why it's important we get some proper research done on it and quit generalising it as 1 thing. Clearly someone with scarred lungs is a whole lot different to someone who still feels a bit fatigued after a few weeks so it's important to see just how severe the problem is we need to solve/deal with rather than just sensationalising or belittling it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Mark .Y. said: I arrived in Murcia, Spain about 2 hours ago - and boody hot it is too š Anyway, the point is, masks must still be worn in all shops and restaurants/cafes when moving about. According to my friend out here, it is being pretty strictly enforced. was the same in Madiera though I didn't really notice the strict enforcement as everyone just did it. That was basically the only restriction they had though. I think their al fresco lifestyle massively helps as well, I was barely ever indoors other than when I went to bed. I suspect the fact they only had 2 months of strict lockdown right at the start means their population is a bit less fatigued by having to have their lives interfered with so they tolerate and buy into the mask wearing a bit more. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 8, 2021 On 07/09/2021 at 16:21, Mark .Y. said: I did notice the Wales figures TJ but still seemed like a huge jump to me. wasn't denying the idea of a bit of a jump, just wish people would stop skimming over the figures and commenting whatever suits their agenda. 18 months in and its the same old faces from both sides of the coin. Kinda why I stepped away from following it all the last month. I'd love to just lock Matt Le Tissier and Eric Feigl Ding in a room together and throw away the key, both gob****es of the highest order š 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites