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[ricardo 7,336]

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Its safe to go out

[Daz Sparks 1,140]

3 minutes ago, ricardo said:

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Its safe to go out

Meh, but safer to stay in... 😜

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Lovely weather and the golf course pristine. Just a shame we had to go straight home.

[ricardo 7,336]

5 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

Meh, but safer to stay in... 😜

I'm off out to the coast asap to celebrate Extremely Vulnerable Freedom Day.

 

[Van wink 2,994]

2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

I'm off out to the coast asap to celebrate Extremely Vulnerable Freedom Day.

 

Lovely up at West Runton today, but very breezy🌪️

[Yellow Fever 3,734]

33 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Very true, but most countries have friends\allies\partners that they frequently or permananently collaborate with because they have some common interests, but the UK doesn't have any of those either - at least not outside the context of NATO and there doesn't seem to have been much collaborating amongst members there in recent years either!

I was amused that the 'Commonwealth' countries - Canada and Australia etc. are using the EU ! There was no chance from the UK.

How to make fiends and influence people. Global Britain.

[Van wink 2,994]

8 hours ago, Well b back said:

@Van wink

Hi, what do you make of these figures, I think they show the fore’s and against Pfizer at 12 weeks. I am making an assumption ( I know it’s never good to assume ) that less people died after contracting it, supporting the 12 weeks, however at 4 weeks 62% effective, whereas the Israeli and now American figures show 95 - 99.96% effectiveness 1 week after dose 2 at 3 weeks.

Of course what it does not show is the effectiveness of 12 weeks after 2nd dose, we still await that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56540729

I'm sure your assumption reflects the data,  the figures support our strategy imo, its back to the question of a risk based approach, undoubtedly with two doses those vaccinated were "safer" but in terms of numbers mass vaccination with one dose will undoubtedly have saved more lives. As we know the efficacy of these vaccines after two doses is probably higher than anything we have ever seen, but 60% ish after one dose is still working really hard and providing a high level of protection.

My guess is that the effectiveness of Pfizer, 2nd jab after 12 weeks wont be far off the 95% mark, the current understanding of how immunity is developed would support that and I dont believe there is any evidence to suggest otherwise.

At the end of the day the available limited resources have to be used to give the greatest overall sucess.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Van wink

[Well b back 3,182]

Hi VW

My guess is that the effectiveness of Pfizer, 2nd jab after 12 weeks wont be far off the 95% mark, the current understanding of how immunity is developed would support that and I dont believe there is any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Let’s hope that turns out to be correct. I had my second one last week ( which was 10 weeks ).

 

[Well b back 3,182]

Just to show the way it can work the other way with exports.

Russia have given ( free ) so many doses away by befriending countries they want on their side and especially the African nations that they are having to import extra doses of Sputnik from the likes of Indonesia to keep vaccinating Russians. 

[It's Character Forming 1,160]

With hindsight everyone would have done so much better and it would have been hard to do worse than the approach the EU took.

 

I think though we should remember the first UK plan which was prepared by the civil servants was to contract with a US vaccine provider (I think it was Moderna) to supply the vaccines, with zero production in the UK.  That's what I would call a global Britain approach.  When they were preparing that plan and negotiating the contract, which apparently was ready to sign, it never occurred to them there could be a problem with relying on supply coming from the US.  So thank god we pulled back from that approach & went with a company which at least was able to produce part of our supply in the UK, albeit with a new plant setup from scratch hence some hiccups with the supply early on.

 

The other point I don't see mentioned much is that the vaccine production in the EU  is apparently reliant on a specialised protein imported from the UK, which is another reason why sensible heads will hopefully prevail and there will not be a bloc on exports.

 

The US approach is awful though, richest and most powerful country in the world and they sit on 100m doses of a vaccine they've not even approved, if Trump had done that he'd have been pilloried in our media and it's still appalling even with a new president.

[Rock The Boat 1,324]

Boris Johnson has announced a deal with a British pharmaceuticals giant to "fill and finish" 60 million doses of a new coronavirus vaccine onshore, which avoids them having to be transported to Europe amid the threat of a jab trade war.

The Prime Minister told a televised Downing Street press conference that the vaccine taskforce had stepped in to clinch a deal with GlaxoSmithKline, a British multinational company, to perform the final part of the manufacturing process on domestic soil. The doses had been expected to be transported to Germany to be put into vials.

He said: “At the same time as we push forward with our programme to offer a vaccination to all adults by the end of July, we’re building up our own long-term UK manufacturing capabilities.

“I've already told you that Novavax, a potentially significant new weapon in our armoury against Covid, will be made at Fujifilm in the North East.

“And I can today announce that the vaccine taskforce has reached an agreement with GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), to 'finish and fill' this precious fluid also in the North East, giving us between 50 and 60 million doses of UK-made vaccine, subject to the right approvals from the MHRA.”

The taskforce's intervention means the UK doses, the vast majority of which are set to be manufactured in Stockton-on-Tees, no longer have to leave the country to travel to the continent.

[sonyc 5,484]

32 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

With hindsight everyone would have done so much better

Hindsight eh?! Had to suppress a smile today in reading that Novavax is being bottled & finished in the north east...at...Barnard Castle of all places☺️

Edit: something else to add to the Barnard Castle TripAdvisor review

Edited March 29, 2021 by sonyc

[Rock The Boat 1,324]

9 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

With hindsight everyone would have done so much better and it would have been hard to do worse than the approach the EU took.

 

I think though we should remember the first UK plan which was prepared by the civil servants was to contract with a US vaccine provider (I think it was Moderna) to supply the vaccines, with zero production in the UK.  That's what I would call a global Britain approach.  When they were preparing that plan and negotiating the contract, which apparently was ready to sign, it never occurred to them there could be a problem with relying on supply coming from the US.  So thank god we pulled back from that approach & went with a company which at least was able to produce part of our supply in the UK, albeit with a new plant setup from scratch hence some hiccups with the supply early on.

 

The other point I don't see mentioned much is that the vaccine production in the EU  is apparently reliant on a specialised protein imported from the UK, which is another reason why sensible heads will hopefully prevail and there will not be a bloc on exports.

 

The US approach is awful though, richest and most powerful country in the world and they sit on 100m doses of a vaccine they've not even approved, if Trump had done that he'd have been pilloried in our media and it's still appalling even with a new president.

If Trump had done this it would be the main story for days and the Twitterworld would be in global meltdown. Because it is not Trump the media barely covers the story.

[Well b back 3,182]

13 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

If Trump had done this it would be the main story for days and the Twitterworld would be in global meltdown. Because it is not Trump the media barely covers the story.

It was trump that put much of this into law, and begun the attacks on AstraZeneca.

[ricardo 7,336]

26 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Hindsight eh?! Had to suppress a smile today in reading that Novavax is being bottled & finished in the north east...at...Barnard Castle of all places☺️

Always knew he was on a secret mission😉

[ricardo 7,336]

6 minutes ago, Well b back said:

It was trump that put much of this into law, and begun the attacks on AstraZeneca.

follow the money😉

[sonyc 5,484]

1 minute ago, ricardo said:

Always knew he was on a secret mission😉

That man could always see far ahead it's true😉

[Van wink 2,994]

22 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Hindsight eh?! Had to suppress a smile today in reading that Novavax is being bottled & finished in the north east...at...Barnard Castle of all places☺️

Oddly I didn’t  actually hear him say Barnard Castle, perhaps he couldn’t see his notes, or maybe a convenient oversight. 

[ricardo 7,336]

1 minute ago, sonyc said:

That man could always see far ahead it's true😉

We have badly misjudged him.

deserves a Nobel Prize IMHO.

[Well b back 3,182]

30 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Hindsight eh?! Had to suppress a smile today in reading that Novavax is being bottled & finished in the north east...at...Barnard Castle of all places☺️

Edit: something else to add to the Barnard Castle TripAdvisor review

I maybe mistaken and please correct me if I have it wrong but didn’t we report that on the COS in November or December, is it in Tyne Tees ?

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,180]

I assume  COVID is responsible for the events in This Report  in the reputable Daily Star 😔

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Anyone see the Panorama undercover report into the Covid Test Laboratory?

My goodness, the three tests I had could all be wrong. But there again, everybody positive could have been negative.

When you have targets to meet, well . . .

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

43 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Hindsight eh?! Had to suppress a smile today in reading that Novavax is being bottled & finished in the north east...at...Barnard Castle of all places☺️

Edit: something else to add to the Barnard Castle TripAdvisor review

Don't know much about Novavax, is it purely a Covid vaccine or does it sort out defective eyesight as well - perhaps one of those vaccine side effects we keep hearing so much about 😂

[Well b back 3,182]

19 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I assume  COVID is responsible for the events in This Report  in the reputable Daily Star 😔

Sounds like a particular poster on here that constantly tells us about things that haven’t happened.

[sonyc 5,484]

20 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Sounds like a particular poster on here that constantly tells us about things that haven’t happened.

Wonder what year life got back to normal then? If the world was "empty" in 2027 then maybe it won't!

So many questions...Did the EU sort out it's vaccine mess? Did Paul post that link? Did Daniel sign up for another year? How much did we get for Emi? Goodness...how I wish we could see into the future🙃😑🤨

Edited March 29, 2021 by sonyc

[Well b back 3,182]

1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Wonder what year life got back to normal then? If the world was "empty" in 2027 then maybe it won't then?

So many questions...Did the EU sort out it's vaccine mess? Did Paul post that link? Did Daniel sign up for another year? How much did we get for Emi? Goodness...how I wish we could see into the future🙃😑🤨

One set of 15 football results would do me, or the Euro Millions when it gets to the Max lol.

Thing is if the mad one told me the numbers and they were for real, I would still miss out as I wouldn’t believe him.

[paul moy 235]

So Novavax snub the EU just as I suggested was happening yesterday due to their treatment of AZ.  The EU are certainly experts at driving away business to us little englanders away from the BIG 27 .  Long may it continue !! 🤗:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416501/novavax-vaccine-boris-johnson-uk-delivery-covid-jab-eu

[Well b back 3,182]

26 minutes ago, paul moy said:

So Novavax snub the EU just as I suggested was happening yesterday due to their treatment of AZ.  The EU are certainly experts at driving away business to us little englanders away from the BIG 27 .  Long may it continue !! 🤗:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416501/novavax-vaccine-boris-johnson-uk-delivery-covid-jab-eu

Where’s my link  ?

[The Real Buh 3,423]

With France on the brink of lockdown surely we should be doing more to isolate ourself to a Europe that’s about to kick off yet again?

[Herman 9,700]

Maybe dig a big channel between us and fill it with water. That'll stop em.