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The recent suspension of AZ is going to be very costly in the coming weeks as EU cases rocket. Sticking to the 3 week interval is also a brainless decision considering the UK has just kindly run a 20 million person trial for them.

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40 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

I'm not sure they were second hand assumptions YF.........unless the Guardian is telling porkies, the quote below from their article seems pretty specific to me...........

"According to the latest figures seen by the Guardian and accurate as of 9 March, of the 34,090,287 doses exported from the EU to 31 countries, 9,106,162 went to the UK, 3,917,640 to Canada, 3,134,204 to Mexico, 2,720,210 to Japan and 1,368,900 to Saudi Arabia. Other beneficiaries of EU exports included Hong Kong (1.3m), Singapore (967,030), the US (953,723), Chile (942,825) and Malaysia (751,140)."

 

Dates recently given we're from the  1st December to now.

I don't think anybody is seriously doubting these numbers given by the EU in their press conference.

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1 minute ago, ricardo said:

The recent suspension of AZ is going to be very costly in the coming weeks as EU cases rocket. Sticking to the 3 week interval is also a brainless decision considering the UK has just kindly run a 20 million person trial for them.

Just come off a call to San Diego. Two of my colleagues there finally scrambled to get their jabs tomorrow. Two doses by the book. Just saying.

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9 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Dates recently given we're from the  1st December to now.

I don't think anybody is seriously doubting these numbers given by the EU in their press conference.

I hope the latest 21 million figure I'd accurate. If they are and so is the incredibly precise 9,106,162  then we have built up a massive stockpile of nearly 12 million doses.   Put this with domestically produced AZ and we'll probably be ok regardless of any export ban.

 

That said,   the report above of 897 deaths in France is horrific. Hopefully its wrong or just catching up.  If not I feel we should help them out.

Sure there's lots of politicking and mischief going on but you have to whats right.

 

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22 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Just come off a call to San Diego. Two of my colleagues there finally scrambled to get their jabs tomorrow. Two doses by the book. Just saying.

Yes, no country has a monopoly on stupidity.

Meanwhile the UK sails past France in second jabs and if we look at percentage of population, also Germany.

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1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

I hope the latest 21 million figure I'd accurate. If they are and so is the incredibly precise 9,106,162  then we have built up a massive stockpile of nearly 12 million doses.   Put this with domestically produced AZ and we'll probably be ok regardless of any export ban.

 

That said,   the report above of 897 deaths in France is horrific. Hopefully its wrong or just catching up.  If not I feel we should help them out.

Sure there's lots of politicking and mischief going on but you have to whats right.

 

No. Far more deserving cases in the Commonwealth need our help before we think about wealthy countries of the EU.

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2 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

I hope the latest 21 million figure I'd accurate. If they are and so is the incredibly precise 9,106,162  then we have built up a massive stockpile of nearly 12 million doses.   Put this with domestically produced AZ and we'll probably be ok regardless of any export ban.

 

That said,   the report above of 897 deaths in France is horrific. Hopefully its wrong or just catching up.  If not I feel we should help them out.

Sure there's lots of politicking and mischief going on but you have to whats right.

 

France have been tracking at around 400 deaths a day for a while now. Clearly the situation isn't great there but I suspect that 897 is mainly a big reporting day.

Either way, time is running out with how long we can cope with the "we'll just social distance our way out of this" so strap in and get vaccinated would be my advice rather than fussing over which vaccine we get. If they stop people getting ill and hospitalised but you're still a positive case then they work.

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3 hours ago, ricardo said:

The recent suspension of AZ is going to be very costly in the coming weeks as EU cases rocket. Sticking to the 3 week interval is also a brainless decision considering the UK has just kindly run a 20 million person trial for them.

Following our lead would totally go against the EU mantra which has denigrated our vaccine strategy since day one. The EU is so stubborn and killing its own citizens comes second to trying to prove the UK wrong.  We know that we are right and that's what counts, and EU citizens must realise that in due course when the current vicious anti-UK propaganda wanes and they start surveying the debris. 

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16 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Following our lead would totally go against the EU mantra which has denigrated our vaccine strategy since day one. The EU is so stubborn and killing its own citizens comes second to trying to prove the UK wrong.  We know that we are right and that's what counts, and EU citizens must realise that in due course when the current vicious anti-UK propaganda wanes. 

I don’t doubt that the EU are stung and embarrassed by this.

But presumably (and I may be wrong) this is not a matter for the EU but for national governments?

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6 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

I don’t doubt that the EU are stung and embarrassed by this.

But presumably (and I may be wrong) this is not a matter for the EU but for national governments?

The expression about too many cooks comes to mind. 

I don't want to open up the whole Brexit debate again but the EU does nothing that a sovereign country can't do by itself. It has stuck it's oar into the vaccine rollout when it could and should have left it up to national governments. AZ must be totally peed off having to deal with both the EU and national governments in Europe. I see even Junker the former EU president is criticising VDL. 

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1 hour ago, Tetteys Jig said:

France have been tracking at around 400 deaths a day for a while now. Clearly the situation isn't great there but I suspect that 897 is mainly a big reporting day.

Clarity on that French deaths figure:

"41,869 new cases and 363 new deaths in France French Government reported 897 new deaths, of which 594 deaths in EMS and EHAPD and 303 deaths in hospitals. Worldometer redistributed the 594 reported deaths in EMS and EHPAD over the 10 day period since the last report on Mar"

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13 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Dates recently given we're from the  1st December to now.

I don't think anybody is seriously doubting these numbers given by the EU in their press conference.

Ah, I think I misunderstood you. I wasn't doubting the numbers, I thought it was you who was saying they were second hand assumptions.

As Bb has said, we should have a reasonable supply if we've received 12 million doses since 9th March.

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24 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

Ah, I think I misunderstood you. I wasn't doubting the numbers, I thought it was you who was saying they were second hand assumptions.

As Bb has said, we should have a reasonable supply if we've received 12 million doses since 9th March.

I would guess 10M Pfizer recently and 1m AZ early days as many hinted at last year. Obviously we are a bit hesitant on AZ stocks going forward with the announced slowdown next month.

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2 hours ago, paul moy said:

So, just what are they playing at with 41% of jabs at EU disposal unused.  Are they purely trying to damage us out of spite ? :

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1415020/eu-vaccine-news-astrazeneca-brexit-news-von-der-leyen-macron-france

Why do you think their incompetence is just to spite us? Are you only nine years old?

They have messed it up throughout Europe with the vaccine. But I doubt anyone decided to mess it up to get at us. Only someone weird would think that.

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3 hours ago, paul moy said:

So, just what are they playing at with 41% of jabs at EU disposal unused.  Are they purely trying to damage us out of spite ? :

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1415020/eu-vaccine-news-astrazeneca-brexit-news-von-der-leyen-macron-france

Where’s my links to the complete s*** that you spouted the other day ?

You are making out this is just European, the US have an estimated 100 million AZ doses in fridges and it is not very likely they will approve it any time soon, in fact they have been far less complimentary to it than any other Country. You should be holding all countries to account, not just a particular one that suits your hatred of them.

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An interesting study:-

"Denmark ready for quick unlocking as experts say risk of third Covid wave is low

Nine of country's 10 political parties backed wide-ranging plan that would see majority of restrictions removed by end of May

Denmark, long an advocate of a cautious approach to Covid, is ready to take a "calculated risk" and unlock quickly in the spring after scientists said the risk of a third wave is low.

Last week, nine of the country's 10 political parties voted to back a wide-ranging plan that would see the majority of restrictions on normal life removed by the end of May, coinciding with vaccines having been offered to all over-50s.

That is in contrast to Britain, which should reach the same vaccines landmark by mid-April but will not fully remove restrictions until late June, when the entire adult population will have been offered a first dose.

Starting on April 6 with the reopening of hairdressers, restrictions in Denmark will be eased every two weeks, with larger shopping centres allowed to open from April 21 and indoor dining returning from May 6.

Danish officials are aware that the unlocking is likely to lead to an increase in Covid infections and hospitalisations but believe the problem is manageable.

Discussing the first stage of lockdown easing in late February, Mette Frederiksen, the prime minister, said: "We are taking a calculated risk. The lockdown is starting to have very grave consequences. But the reopening comes with a price – the more you reopen, the more people will be infected and the more people will be hospitalised."

People queue for Covid vaccinations at a centre in Copenhagen earlier this month Credit: Ole Jensen/Getty Images Europe

Denmark's confidence stems from the solidity of its test and trace system and the impact of vaccines on hospitalisations, said Prof Christian Wejse, a specialist in infectious diseases at Aarhus University and an adviser to the Danish government on contact tracing.

"Offering vaccines to all above 50 – that's about 40 per cent of the population," he said. "Although that is far from herd immunity, it is still something that is likely to take a lot of steam off the epidemic."

The country is operating what he called a "very heavy testing regimen", including twice-weekly testing for those who go to work.

Denmark's contact tracing has proved its worth just months after being overwhelmed by the country's second wave. Despite schools for younger children and most shops reopening in February, there have been eight weeks of relatively low infections.

"We've put a lot of extra effort into contact tracing, so it's been possible to shut down most of the outbreaks we've had," said Prof Wesje.

A "corona passport" scheme will also be in place, requiring people to have been vaccinated or tested negative in the previous 72 hours to access certain public spaces such as restaurants and barbers.

Unlike in the UK, politicians are not targeting irreversibility in their erasing of restrictions. If hospitalisations head back to January's peak, when close to 1,000 patients were in Danish hospitals with Covid, restrictions will snap back.

Nevertheless, expectations are positive. "I think we all expect to be more or less done with this when we get closer to herd immunity," said Prof Wejse."

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29 minutes ago, Van wink said:

An interesting study:-

"Denmark ready for quick unlocking as experts say risk of third Covid wave is low

Nine of country's 10 political parties backed wide-ranging plan that would see majority of restrictions removed by end of May

 

Whatever course is taken some will think it is too slow and some too fast.

There is no course which will command 100% support.

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37 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Whatever course is taken some will think it is too slow and some too fast.

There is no course which will command 100% support.

I'd take 90% any day. Unless of course its China and Russia where every political decision is well over 100%🤐

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:

Close on 700k jabs yesterday I hear.👍

650K and of those 250K second jabs, great stuff

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56 minutes ago, Van wink said:

650K and of those 250K second jabs, great stuff

Actually 695k

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So, Novavax are apparently reluctant to sign a contract with the EU for their vaccine due to the way that the EU have behaved with AstraZeneca, which I did opine a few days ago, and this guy appears to agree.  Quelle Surprise !!  🤗

... and an unfortunate mistype in the Express names the leader of the EU as Ursulka von der Leyen... which they have now corrected 🤣

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1415796/brexit-news-uk-trade-deals-outside-eu-vaccine-war-revenge

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3 hours ago, Herman said:

Thanks Herman.  We dont get much of the EU view on this here.

Problem is that all journalists are working in an information vacuum and this is as clear in vaccine figures as anything. What we get then  I think,  is the journalist's prior opinion with a  cloak of statistics laid on top but with little further analysis.

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4 hours ago, Herman said:

It’s a decent read and certainly shows how each area has gone about it, it should be highlighted that some EU countries are doing better than others. As I have connections back in my second home who tell me as it is, it’s not just vaccines but the set up in each country doesn’t have a set up like our NHS, they don’t have surgeries in each village and it has been a new learning on how to administer the vaccines to rural areas where 40% of the population live.

Add to this a strong mistrust of the current government set up, misinformation about the vaccines on social media, its been a combination of lots of different obstacles which has to be overcome. But as time has rolled by the learning is now being implemented and the vaccine roll out is picking up, but it’s highlighted that there will be a few countries which after the Covid virus is under control will then be in transition with potential for protests and clashes resembling the late 80’s, certainly Poland & Czech Republic certainly have that danger! Unstable times ahead.

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