Yellow Fever 3,747 Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indy said: And who’s not hacking who....to think it’s just the Chinese is as British as you can get! I didn't want to say but was it in the news just recently we have 'sold' a lot of NHS data to a company linked to the USA secret services ! We need to stick to facts - China is ont as open as we would wish yet unarguably they have controlled the virus and have been largely fully back to normal from last year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted February 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Indy said: And who’s not hacking who....to think it’s just the Chinese is as British as you can get! Do you believe Britain is hacking servers of scientists developing vaccines and infrastructure on a huge scale? Do you actually believe that? Think about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,747 Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, The Real Buh said: >believing China about anything >believing universities aren’t being influenced heavily by china Absolute cringe detected Link to your 150,00 please or else just go away as a pathetic troll / fake news merchant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Yellow Fever said: Link to your 150,00 please or else just go away as a pathetic troll / fake news merchant. I don’t have to provide anything to Chinese bot. I just hope MI6 have you on a register mate. I guess concentration camps don’t mean anything to you as long as you are making cash? Absolute state of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,283 Posted February 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Real Buh said: Do you believe Britain is hacking servers of scientists developing vaccines and infrastructure on a huge scale? Do you actually believe that? Think about it. And you think we’re not! Wow how naive are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: Our death toll is a disgrace. There is no other way to say it. But some would ignore that as China is lying. Yes, they probably are. But does that excuse us? People have to get used to Chinese foreign policy over US from now on. The BBC Trump documentaries illustrated their "we want to be number one in the world" and they are terrified they are close to losing topspot. Indeed, we should be more accurate and exclude deaths clearly not caused by covid, even adopt the german method pehaps to hide a fair number. The chinese method could get us down to less than 1,000.... 🤗 Anyway let's count them after the EU vaccine debacle as they hit another wave and a much clearer picture may emerge where we will in fact compare a lot more favourably in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARYKING 634 Posted February 27, 2021 Two questions: 1, what’s happened to seasonal flu, no mentions nowadays? 2, in a “ normal “ winter, how many people die of flu ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ricardo said: National 7434 - 290 Local Problem with local at the moment. Has been for some time Ricardo, North Norwich South Broadland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted February 28, 2021 National 6035 - 144 Local Looking good in my neck of the woods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted February 28, 2021 David Pleat has heard about the 20million mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, paul moy said: Indeed, we should be more accurate and exclude deaths clearly not caused by covid, even adopt the german method pehaps to hide a fair number. The chinese method could get us down to less than 1,000.... 🤗 Anyway let's count them after the EU vaccine debacle as they hit another wave and a much clearer picture may emerge where we will in fact compare a lot more favourably in my view. Shut up about the EU. We are talking about the UK. Comparisons are meaningless. Or else lets compare ourselves to NZ. Edited February 28, 2021 by keelansgrandad 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, ricardo said: National 6035 - 144 Local Looking good in my neck of the woods Wow national figures very pleasing Ricardo, less work for me and so it should be👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted February 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, Herman said: David Pleat has heard about the 20million mark. It’s great news Herman 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Van wink said: Wow national figures very pleasing Ricardo, less work for me and so it should be👍 Only one area in Cornwall and Devon that is high and that is Torbay. Cornwall is 28 per 100K. I think the rapid testing starts tomorrow for workplaces so we may see a slight rise for a week or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted March 1, 2021 Please don't listen to people like Peter Hitchens anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 1, 2021 14 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: Shut up about the EU. We are talking about the UK. Comparisons are meaningless. Or else lets compare ourselves to NZ. You'd be shouting off if the EU had achieved what we had, so shut up yourself. We are entitled to be proud of our vaccine achievements and comparisons with the EU are relevant, especially as many of us have argued how they interfere to our detriment for years, and now they continue to interfere even after we have left, not least by denigrating our vaccines and causing a reluctance for the gullible to trust our strategy. The EU has hit over 500, 000 deaths, Italy will pass 100K soon, and we have taken a lot of unjust criticism from biased left whingers such as yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Herman said: Please don't listen to people like Peter Hitchens anymore. I don't listen to him as he only appears to be for his own self-promotion, has been anti-lockdown from day one and has zero commonsense imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 1, 2021 3 hours ago, paul moy said: You'd be shouting off if the EU had achieved what we had, so shut up yourself. We are entitled to be proud of our vaccine achievements and comparisons with the EU are relevant, especially as many of us have argued how they interfere to our detriment for years, and now they continue to interfere even after we have left, not least by denigrating our vaccines and causing a reluctance for the gullible to trust our strategy. The EU has hit over 500, 000 deaths, Italy will pass 100K soon, and we have taken a lot of unjust criticism from biased left whingers such as yourself. You are so thick. Your own quotes sentence you. The EU has 7 times our population and 4 times our deaths. Surely even a hater like you can do the maths? When are you going to address the fishermen Moy? When are you going to tell them you lied to them. We told them the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,747 Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said: You are so thick. Your own quotes sentence you. The EU has 7 times our population and 4 times our deaths. Surely even a hater like you can do the maths? When are you going to address the fishermen Moy? When are you going to tell them you lied to them. We told them the truth. What you have identified correctly KG is that they can't do the maths even if such a comparison was justified (they are after all 27 separate countries all with their own sovereign different Covid responses). Totally blinkered by hate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,423 Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said: The absolute state of Europe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,491 Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said: What you have identified correctly KG is that they can't do the maths even if such a comparison was justified (they are after all 27 separate countries all with their own sovereign different Covid responses). Totally blinkered by hate. I often think of this cartoon when I read some of those posts. It feels apt to make the quick mental jump to what kind of thing that might happen on a diet of reading the Daily Express. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted March 1, 2021 National 5455 - 104 Local Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted March 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Yellow Fever said: What you have identified correctly KG is that they can't do the maths even if such a comparison was justified (they are after all 27 separate countries all with their own sovereign different Covid responses). Totally blinkered by hate. Hate is a very strong word...dislike is a better term maybe. Also, as you and KG are throwing stats back, i completely disagree with KG as regarding UK's 120k Covid deaths as a disgrace. Of course there is a difference between stats of 27 nations and one kingdom, but if stats are being thrown around ok..the 120k deaths in UK is actually to be expected, and on a par or better than some EU states when adding in the often neglected but hugely important fact that England is in a league of its own with being the 2nd highest densely populated major nation and the 4th highest population. The very nature of how Covid spreads was always going to mean that here at home we would suffer the highest amounts of deaths in Europe. 120k deaths is very sad and Covid is the disgraceful menace, not any single human being or groups of human beings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,491 Posted March 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Essjayess said: Hate is a very strong word...dislike is a better term maybe. Also, as you and KG are throwing stats back, i completely disagree with KG as regarding UK's 120k Covid deaths as a disgrace. Of course there is a difference between stats of 27 nations and one kingdom, but if stats are being thrown around ok..the 120k deaths in UK is actually to be expected, and on a par or better than some EU states when adding in the often neglected but hugely important fact that England is in a league of its own with being the 2nd highest densely populated major nation and the 4th highest population. The very nature of how Covid spreads was always going to mean that here at home we would suffer the highest amounts of deaths in Europe. 120k deaths is very sad and Covid is the disgraceful menace, not any single human being or groups of human beings. Different approach to the Christmas period... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, Essjayess said: Hate is a very strong word...dislike is a better term maybe. Also, as you and KG are throwing stats back, i completely disagree with KG as regarding UK's 120k Covid deaths as a disgrace. Of course there is a difference between stats of 27 nations and one kingdom, but if stats are being thrown around ok..the 120k deaths in UK is actually to be expected, and on a par or better than some EU states when adding in the often neglected but hugely important fact that England is in a league of its own with being the 2nd highest densely populated major nation and the 4th highest population. The very na ture of how Covid spreads was always going to mean that here at home we would suffer the highest amounts of deaths in Europe. 120k deaths is very sad and Covid is the disgraceful menace, not any single human being or groups of human beings. I disagree its to be expected. We know that there is plenty of evidence concerning care homes and hospitals where there was negligence. Nothing would have stopped deaths but more care attention would have dramatically reduced the amount. And we had the benefit of being an island with natural borders. Not closing the unnatural ones was the first mistake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Good news from JVT this afternoon about real time effectiveness of both vaccines after one dose in all age groups who had received vaccination but particilarly amongst the elderly who are the largest group to be vaccinated so far. Hospitalisations in over 80 year olds dropped by 80% A gentle nudge to our European friends with data which will hopefully help to reassure them. Edited March 1, 2021 by Van wink 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,985 Posted March 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Essjayess said: Hate is a very strong word...dislike is a better term maybe. Also, as you and KG are throwing stats back, i completely disagree with KG as regarding UK's 120k Covid deaths as a disgrace. Of course there is a difference between stats of 27 nations and one kingdom, but if stats are being thrown around ok..the 120k deaths in UK is actually to be expected, and on a par or better than some EU states when adding in the often neglected but hugely important fact that England is in a league of its own with being the 2nd highest densely populated major nation and the 4th highest population. The very nature of how Covid spreads was always going to mean that here at home we would suffer the highest amounts of deaths in Europe. 120k deaths is very sad and Covid is the disgraceful menace, not any single human being or groups of human beings. Nice try but back in the real world the UK death total is appalling and a national disgrace, even you look at our count relative to size of population we are still one of the very worst performers in Europe (and the rest of the world). Some of the other big countries have also suffered badly - Spain, Italy and France obviously - but all have done better than us, and Germany have less than half the deaths relative to population size, Denmark less than a quarter and so on.. And if you think that population density is a significant factor then you need to take a look at the Netherlands - 70% more densely populated than the UK yet with a death rate per 1m people of well under half the UK's. 120k deaths in the UK most definitely was not to be expected, should never have happened and would never have happened if we'd had a remotely competent government which responded to the outset of the pandemic in a timely and effective manner - our Government unfortunately did neither and no amount of vaccinating is going to undo the many thousands of unnecessary deaths along with the huge economic damage that their indecisive, tardy and shambolic response inflicted on the country last year. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark .Y. 351 Posted March 1, 2021 And so another thread descends into a Brexit war.........................😪 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted March 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said: And so another thread descends into a Brexit war.........................😪 It’s ok , we get flare ups of Brexvid every so often on this thread . But as long as we keep strict social distancing they do decline ... 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites