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[keelansgrandad 6,679]

7 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Add Sweden to those EU countries that decry AstraZeneca and vaccinating the elderly, and thus also clearly believe that our scientists are useless and risk-takers. 

Personally, I believe that our biotech scientists are the best in the world and this will be further proven over the next few months.

3 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

 

You really are a nasty specimen. You won't be happy until millions of EU citizens are dead.

I feel ashamed not happy, that 100K of our citizens have died. And thats the Governments fault the total is so high.

But they have done very well with the vaccine roll out. Good on them.

But why don't you turn to the US for how badly the vaccine is being rolled out rather than the EU?

There has been no clear system set up by Trumps administration and it is now a free for all. The wealthy are receiving it while others have no idea they can. Its a maze that will take months to sort out.

Thank goodness for the Socialist NHS.

[Barbe bleu 809]

40 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Thanks VW.

That does seem to back the WHO recommendations of 6 weeks maximum. Interestingly America are now doing 6 weeks and Pfizer are holding back second doses to ensure they are not used and saved.

Its not quite as clear cut as that i dont think.  What we really want is a comparison of (a)6 weeks after a single dose with (b) 3 weeks after a second dose given at 21 days. (Or variations of dates as appropriate)  The strategy would begin to unravel is efficacy of (a) is less than half that of (b).

Should also be mentioned that this is an antibody study but t cells are potentially more important 

[Well b back 3,175]

6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Our mass vaccination centre are now giving the jab to any over 70s who apply. Apparently the admin is so slow that by the time letters are sent out there is a gap growing each day. So much that there are staff to perform 1000 jabs a day and are only doing 500. 

So any over 70 can phone up and book any available slot. 

I'm not 70 until March so fingers crossed they include 69 year olds.

That’s weird.

In WS we were mopping up yesterday all those that hadn’t turned up previously. We have teams on the phones booking 1,2,3 and four days worth at a time, then having reserve lists on the day. Group 4’s are pretty much done.

March / April is already pretty much booked at the GP hubs for 2nd doses, so we assume ( 2 and 2 make 5 ) that the huge hubs about to open are for first doses below group 4.

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

21 hours ago, ricardo said:

We will all be a statistic one day.

sad news, but none of us will get out of life alive.

Agree Ricardo, sad story all round. He was used by the Government to paint over their ignorance and inactivity,a very powerful lever indeed, his family must have been distraught. Leaves to ask the question, was he not vaccinated in the first tranche when his age group came up?

[Well b back 3,175]

Just now, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

Agree Ricardo, sad story all round. He was used by the Government to paint over their ignorance and inactivity,a very powerful lever indeed, his family must have been distraught. Leaves to ask the question, was he not vaccinated in the first tranche when his age group came up?

He couldn’t be vaccinated due to his pneumonia medication.

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

2 minutes ago, Well b back said:

He couldn’t be vaccinated due to his pneumonia medication.

What do you know....he had pneumonia medication as a preventative prescription? or did he have actual pneumonia in November/December. Now he died of covid brought on by pneumonia?

[Well b back 3,175]

Just now, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

What do you know....he had pneumonia medication as a preventative prescription? or did he have actual pneumonia in November/December. Now he died of covid brought on by pneumonia?

His family said in the initial statement he could not be vaccinated due to his pneumonia medication. 
A spokeswoman for the family said Capt Sir Tom had not yet received the Covid-19 vaccine due to the medication he was on for pneumonia.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

12 minutes ago, Well b back said:

That’s weird.

In WS we were mopping up yesterday all those that hadn’t turned up previously. We have teams on the phones booking 1,2,3 and four days worth at a time, then having reserve lists on the day. Group 4’s are pretty much done.

March / April is already pretty much booked at the GP hubs for 2nd doses, so we assume ( 2 and 2 make 5 ) that the huge hubs about to open are for first doses below group 4.

I'm afraid the expression " drekly" applies in Cornwall so much of the time WBB. Our surgery has some really great doctors and practice nurses but the admin staff think they run the place so that expressions such as "I don't care what the doctor said, this is the way we do it" have been used by the admin staff.

Our neighbour is 83 and was missed off the list. And he is old schoolwho says "I don't want to cause a fuss".

[Well b back 3,175]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

I'm afraid the expression " drekly" applies in Cornwall so much of the time WBB. Our surgery has some really great doctors and practice nurses but the admin staff think they run the place so that expressions such as "I don't care what the doctor said, this is the way we do it" have been used by the admin staff.

Our neighbour is 83 and was missed off the list. And he is old schoolwho says "I don't want to cause a fuss".

I have sympathy. We were saying yesterday that when the vaccines first arrived, there are instructions about what you must do, but no instruction manual on how to do it. You made it up as you went along and improved it every week. To that end day 1 we were vaccinating for 12 hours, had 1/2 hour queues and issued 300 doses. Yesterday we managed to administer 400 doses in 5 hours and nobody waited longer than maybe 5 minutes to be checked in. By the end of the day we have always used up every dose, even if it meant making a few last minute calls.

I hope it’s the same countrywide but we have ‘ to many volunteers ‘.

 

[paul moy 235]

38 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

You really are a nasty specimen. You won't be happy until millions of EU citizens are dead.

I feel ashamed not happy, that 100K of our citizens have died. And thats the Governments fault the total is so high.

But they have done very well with the vaccine roll out. Good on them.

But why don't you turn to the US for how badly the vaccine is being rolled out rather than the EU?

There has been no clear system set up by Trumps administration and it is now a free for all. The wealthy are receiving it while others have no idea they can. Its a maze that will take months to sort out.

Thank goodness for the Socialist NHS.

You were amonst others that applauded the 100K,  you  equally nasty piece of work.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

5 minutes ago, paul moy said:

You were amonst others that applauded the 100K,  you  equally nasty piece of work.

I do not think anyone has applauded deaths but you. Most of us see it as an appalling waste of life that was avoidable.

Do you get off on another French or German dying?

[Well b back 3,175]

22 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

I do not think anyone has applauded deaths but you. Most of us see it as an appalling waste of life that was avoidable.

Do you get off on another French or German dying?

I wonder if we could go to FCR he would be abusing Farke, Rupp etc.

 

[Well b back 3,175]

And then there were 10 million in the club.

BREAKING10 million people in UK receive first Covid jab

Some 10 million people have now received their first dose of a coronavirus vaccine, Health Secretary Matt Hancock says. 

Hancock describes it as a "hugely significant milestone" in the national effort against the virus and thanks everyone who has had a part to play in the rollout so far.

[Well b back 3,175]

A bit of interesting news from the Israeli trials. They have now opened up to all over 16’s as they found the uptake was slowing in certain age bands. 

[CANARYKING 634]

A scientist on Radio 2 lunch time has just said that even after the entire population has been vaccinated we will still have to isolate, wear masks, social distance and lockdowns will continue, wonder if we’ll ever see 27,000 at CR again

[Barry Brockes 145]

Thanks for your reply WBB re Ivermectin. I did try to read the Lancet report but for a simple Norfolk lad who needed three attempts to scrape an O level pass in General Science back in the day most of it was way beyond me. However there did seem to be some encouraging signs in the bits I could understand for an off the shelf drug that costs peanuts.

[Aggy 747]

27 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

A scientist on Radio 2 lunch time has just said that even after the entire population has been vaccinated we will still have to isolate, wear masks, social distance and lockdowns will continue, wonder if we’ll ever see 27,000 at CR again

Didn’t listen to the radio but the simple fact is that won’t happen - it’s not a decision for scientists but for politicians. If hospitals aren’t at risk of being overwhelmed, nobody will stand for ongoing lockdowns and no government is going to continue to ban large social events like concerts, football matches etc if there is no genuine and immediate risk of hospitals being overwhelmed. If hospitals continue to be at risk of being overwhelmed even after everyone has been vaccinated (which seems unlikely) then there will still come a point when people will have enough and politicians will bow to pressure as well. 

[Well b back 3,175]

4 minutes ago, Barry Brockes said:

Thanks for your reply WBB re Ivermectin. I did try to read the Lancet report but for a simple Norfolk lad who needed three attempts to scrape an O level pass in General Science back in the day most of it was way beyond me. However there did seem to be some encouraging signs in the bits I could understand for an off the shelf drug that costs peanuts.

I will keep an eye on it. Added to my possible treatment list.

If we can get something to work then together with vaccines it becomes flu.

[ricardo 7,328]

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[Essjayess 307]

So deaths in the city up slightly, hopefully just a blip, but nationwide it seems better news, yesterdays deaths were around 150 lower than last Tuesdays and todays around 3 or 400 lower than last Wednesday.

[ricardo 7,328]

Just now, Essjayess said:

So deaths in the city up slightly, hopefully just a blip, but nationwide it seems better news, yesterdays deaths were around 150 lower than last Tuesdays and todays around 3 or 400 lower than last Wednesday.

They are at a low number locally so hard to read much of a trend into it. Nationally the percentage continues to fall, its 13.4% down on the week.

[paul moy 235]

...and now Switzerland  (not in the EU but in their thrall) ban the jab :

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1392962/eu-vaccine-latest-astrazeneca-switzerland-ban-oxford-vaccine-uk-latest

[ricardo 7,328]

Its all been blue for the past week and ZOE app confirms continuing fall.

[Well b back 3,175]

20 minutes ago, paul moy said:

...and now Switzerland  (not in the EU but in their thrall) ban the jab :

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1392962/eu-vaccine-latest-astrazeneca-switzerland-ban-oxford-vaccine-uk-latest

This is a bit naughty and very misleading. Switzerland have not banned or said they are not going to approve the Oxford vaccine, they have DELAYED the decision until the next data is in, probably by the end of next week.

You seem to think anyone that is not using Oxford is killing all their citizens, Switzerland have plenty of Pfizer and Moderna on order and Sputnik V is now seeking approval with lots of regulators. As Israel is showing these vaccines are also very good, the Oxford vaccine is very important for the U.K., India, Covax and many other nations, but for others it will be of very little relevance.

 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

Are European countries really considering using a Russian vaccine? Is this actually happening?

[Well b back 3,175]

Just now, The Real Buh said:

Are European countries really considering using a Russian vaccine? Is this actually happening?

What the one that AstraZeneca and Oxford are working with ? 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

3 minutes ago, Well b back said:

What the one that AstraZeneca and Oxford are working with ? 

Yikes

[Well b back 3,175]

Just now, The Real Buh said:

Yikes

There are current trials Oxford 1st dose, Sputnik V second dose.

 

[The Real Buh 3,423]

Just now, Well b back said:

There are current trials Oxford 1st dose, Sputnik V second dose.

 

Does it matter if it works realistically?

who’s putting a Russian injection in their arm? You aren’t going to be able to sell that one. Not even with a trip to Salisbury cathedral thrown in.

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Our mass vaccination centre are now giving the jab to any over 70s who apply. Apparently the admin is so slow that by the time letters are sent out there is a gap growing each day. So much that there are staff to perform 1000 jabs a day and are only doing 500. 

So any over 70 can phone up and book any available slot. 

I'm not 70 until March so fingers crossed they include 69 year olds.

Phone them and try your luck - nothing to lose.