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[Bagster 101]

Another scientist stands up and tells the truth.

I would watch this , it might help you to protect yourself

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

3 hours ago, Bagster said:

You people must be so proud of your police state

You clearly haven't been paying attention, a lot of us stopped being proud about British and extremely embarassed by our government a long time ago.

As I recall it was only a few months ago that you were cheering them on.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Creative Midfielder

[It's Character Forming 1,160]

Cases in Nottingham back up a bit according to the Zoe app. I’ve noticed more people out & about since Lockdown II was announced on Saturday so this doesn’t surprise me, people clearly getting out while they still could. Hopefully now numbers will resume their downward trend although there may be a lag of a few days first.

 

 

[Herman 9,748]

19 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

You clearly haven't been paying attention, a lot of us stopping being proud about British and extremely embarassed by our government a long time ago.

As I recall it was only a few months ago that you were cheering them on.

👍👍👍

He must have spent the last few months polishing that brass neck of his. 

[Bagster 101]

26 minutes ago, Herman said:

👍👍👍

He must have spent the last few months polishing that brass neck of his. 

That makes it even more bizarre that you two are supporting them.

Plus it's not just them is it, it's parliamentary as a whole

[Bagster 101]

Everyone is going to have some bitter pills to swallow for sure

That includes you and some of your beliefs

Are you prepared for that?

[horsefly 4,296]

What's so pathetic about people crying "Police state" re the lock-down is that there are millions in the world who genuinely do suffer horrible crimes under authoritarian regimes. Only when the anti-lockdown protesters get hauled off, imprisoned, tortured, and "disappeared" for voicing an opinion, will any sane person take their whining seriously.

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/public-failure-follow-rules-led-to-second-england-coronavirus-lockdown-says-minister-robert-buckland?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604571353

Minister blames public for second English lockdown

Forget all your stupid graphs and experts, it's all your fault, I hope you all feel completely ashamed by your stupidity.

 

[paul moy 235]

18 hours ago, horsefly said:

Whatever one's view on this new lock-down the simple reality is that it is happening. Surely it falls upon everyone now to do their best to make it as effective as possible. There really is nothing to gain from undermining the chances of people abiding strictly to the rules. Indeed, even the sceptics have much to gain from promoting strict adherence to the rules; for if they are right in their views they will then have the ammunition they need to protest against future lock-downs.

That is the problem.  Too many are blatantly disobeying the rules, for instance in not wearing masks and social distancing.  If they had obeyed the rules on the first lockdown we could have virtually eliminated the virus.  It did however achieve flattening of the curve despite their stupidity and ignorance. 

Shops should not allow non-maskwearers into their premises but in my local Tesco last week I spotted two late teenage culprits and complained to the management who simply told me that they could not do anything as it was their personal choice. My response was to tell her to expect another lockdown then very soon and lo and behold here we are today. 

[dj11 377]

3 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/public-failure-follow-rules-led-to-second-england-coronavirus-lockdown-says-minister-robert-buckland?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604571353

Minister blames public for second English lockdown

Forget all your stupid graphs and experts, it's all your fault, I hope you all feel completely ashamed by your stupidity.

 

Wasn’t he the one visiting his 2nd( or possibly 3rd home) during the last lock down. 

[paul moy 235]

5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/public-failure-follow-rules-led-to-second-england-coronavirus-lockdown-says-minister-robert-buckland?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604571353

Minister blames public for second English lockdown

Forget all your stupid graphs and experts, it's all your fault, I hope you all feel completely ashamed by your stupidity.

 

Sadly he is right.....

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

Just now, dj11 said:

Wasn’t he the one visiting his 2nd( or possibly 3rd home) during the last lock down. 

Could be, I confuse him with the one who drove to Durham to make sure he was OK.

[dj11 377]

My bad, that was Jenrick. The Tories all blur into one nowadays. 

[Bagster 101]

The masks do not work

They make it worse

I will not consent and for those that do and did not thoroughly check out the evidence of the other side will be judged very badly by history

[Bagster 101]

Watch the video FFS

 

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

17 minutes ago, dj11 said:

My bad, that was Jenrick. The Tories all blur into one nowadays. 

That's being unfair to the Tories. The politicians and advisers of all parties have set a terrible example for the public. But they are obviously exempt from any blame.

Edited November 5, 2020 by A Load of Squit

[paul moy 235]

15 minutes ago, Bagster said:

The masks do not work

They make it worse

I will not consent and for those that do and did not thoroughly check out the evidence of the other side will be judged very badly by history

Weird that in most countries where they normally wear masks that the virus is low, for instance South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan.  

Masks do work if everybody adheres to wearing them as they protect other people when you cough, talk etc. 

 

[Bagster 101]

Brexit is BS, the EU is BS

Trump v Biden is BS

Left v right is BS

It's all meant to divide us , to distract us.

Look at the power structure of

Capitalism, socialism, communism and what do you see?

It's the same pyramid, never changes.

We're being played and quite frankly now we are not needed.

This is a pivotal time in history, just be sure you listen to both sides of the argument.

Watch the videos I post of scientists

Ask yourself this question

Do you trust our politicians?

Do you trust big business?

Do you trust big pharma?

I've asked myself that question and the answer was no.

 

[paul moy 235]

1 minute ago, Bagster said:

Brexit is BS, the EU is BS

Trump v Biden is BS

Left v right is BS

It's all meant to divide us , to distract us.

Look at the power structure of

Capitalism, socialism, communism and what do you see?

It's the same pyramid, never changes.

We're being played and quite frankly now we are not needed.

This is a pivotal time in history, just be sure you listen to both sides of the argument.

Watch the videos I post of scientists

Ask yourself this question

Do you trust our politicians?

Do you trust big business?

Do you trust big pharma?

I've asked myself that question and the answer was no.

 

The big question is can you trust yourself.   I don't think so.    

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

Do you trust Bagster?

He could also be BS.

[paul moy 235]

1 minute ago, A Load of Squit said:

Do you trust Bagster?

He could also be BS.

Exactly. These people that trust nobody are certainly not to be trusted imo.

[paul moy 235]

15 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Daily confirmed Covid19 tests.

I keep seeing people trying to read covid prevalence into these figures.

Only random ONS sampling gives this. The daily figures are not random but self selecting and there are all sorts of reasons why people might wish not to have the test even if they think they are positive (fear of extended quarantine) or as in schools amd universities where they may be over cautious. I'm very sure that most people if they thought they had a small cough would rather self isolate and manage informally than be onerously required to do so legally. If you are formally tested positive you lose control of options!

Hence although there is some correlation between community prevalence and confirmed cases it is not a direct link and shouldn't be over analysed positive or indeed negative.

 

Self-isolation clearly is being abused and therefore we need strict isolation under government hospitality such as they are doing in some other countries.   Stop the spread and we stop this virus.

[Yellow Fever 3,765]

15 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Self-isolation clearly is being abused and therefore we need strict isolation under government hospitality such as they are doing in some other countries.   Stop the spread and we stop this virus.

I agree with this but in order not to cause the effects I mention in the original post you must ensure in so far as possible/reasonable that nobody (or extended family) are out of pocket or worse off in so doing  - and get extra practical help as well with the day to day errands. It costs but is cheaper than hard police enforcement and a spreading virus.

Those caught then breaking such a quarantine can then expect a custodial unpaid 'leave' of absence.

[Bagster 101]

Oh really, show me the study that says that

[Bagster 101]

36 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I agree with this but in order not to cause the effects I mention in the original post you must ensure in so far as possible/reasonable that nobody (or extended family) are out of pocket or worse off in so doing  - and get extra practical help as well with the day to day errands. It costs but is cheaper than hard police enforcement and a spreading virus.

Those caught then breaking such a quarantine can then expect a custodial unpaid 'leave' of absence.

Excuse me?

A custodial sentence!

You've lost your mind

[Bagster 101]

1 hour ago, paul moy said:

The big question is can you trust yourself.   I don't think so.    

Well Paul , I certainly don't trust you.

 

[Bagster 101]

I trust Mike Yeadon, sunetra Gupta , lord Sumption, Carl Heneghan, and many many more 

I don't trust big tech, big food, big pharma, big government ect

I don't trust a government that meets behind closed doors and isn't challenged, that actively suppresses that challenge.

Sage  should say what it believes in public, it should then be challenged 

Then parliament should vote on it

Everything more transparent would be far better in my opinion

 

[Yellow Fever 3,765]

10 minutes ago, Bagster said:

Excuse me?

A custodial sentence!

You've lost your mind

If people can't quarantine properly without an extremely good excuse (eye tests) on a notifiable disease when they've had all the financial (and otherwise) support for say 10 days then yes 10 more days more unpaid in a camp somewhere.

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

8 minutes ago, Bagster said:

I trust Mike Yeadon, sunetra Gupta , lord Sumption, Carl Heneghan, and many many more 

I don't trust big tech, big food, big pharma, big government ect

I don't trust a government that meets behind closed doors and isn't challenged, that actively suppresses that challenge.

Sage  should say what it believes in public, it should then be challenged 

Then parliament should vote on it

Everything more transparent would be far better in my opinion

 

Is this the opening monologue for Trainspotting 3?

 

[Bagster 101]

7 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

If people can't quarantine properly without an extremely good excuse (eye tests) on a notifiable disease when they've had all the financial (and otherwise) support for say 10 days then yes 10 more days more unpaid in a camp somewhere.

I've not had any financial support so I'll do what I want then

I've heard vw saying he would support mandatory vaccines and now you supporting internment camps!!

Madness

Edited November 5, 2020 by Bagster
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