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[Tetteys Jig 830]

21 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Tier 3 for us from Monday. Announced half an hour ago. Not surprised whatsoever.

25 in mid-September, 150 a week ago and 268 now in Leeds hospitals with Covid.

and us next door in Harrogate are still just about clinging on to tier 1! Very strange one... id expect our nightingale to be used before long to free up space for covid people in hospitals

[sonyc 5,484]

Just now, Daz Sparks said:

#confused.

If you are talking about Bill, is he not posting as Horsefly?

Yes. But not sure he is horsefly?? 

I can be a little slow to catch on. I did ask a few weeks ago but no-one knew. If it is him he is safe & sound!

[sonyc 5,484]

Just now, Tetteys Jig said:

and us next door in Harrogate are still just about clinging on to tier 1! Very strange one... id expect our nightingale to be used before long to free up space for covid people in hospitals

You may escape? Not quite as densely populated. Hopefully you won't.

[Daz Sparks 1,140]

Hi Sonyc, to be honest, after reading one post from Horsefly, I was certain it was Bill, based on content and style.

[sonyc 5,484]

6 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

Hi Sonyc, to be honest, after reading one post from Horsefly, I was certain it was Bill, based on content and style.

Well, no doubt he may be along to tell us? Or perhaps not!

 

[Well b back 3,182]

2 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Cheers WBB.

No change though really I don't think. I worry about my son's jobs most of all. They've only just started careers.

I know.
We moved here to be with more of our family, and our youngest was accepted on a specialist course in a particular college. He is expecting to be on-line soon. Just want life back to normal which I guess isn’t going to happen until we have a vaccine, and then another 9 months. When I moved up here not sure I even knew anyone that had had Covid, whereas now I probably know directly or indirectly of more people effected than I see in the EDP. One of the main reasons people keep to the rules now is isolation, everybody knows you mix with a positive all your family isolate for 2 weeks. It’s like a war zone.

[Well b back 3,182]

10 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

and us next door in Harrogate are still just about clinging on to tier 1! Very strange one... id expect our nightingale to be used before long to free up space for covid people in hospitals

North West is TJ, but they are not as much for Covid as keeping the beds free ie as you are recovering and other illnesses.

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,180]

I'm sure this will have been mentioned before, but

A mate of mine on Facebook  has said a mate of his (yeah, I know) has been contacted by  "track and trace" saying he has had a contact with someone positive, he needs to isolate, take a test in 7 days, and would he mind giving his card details to cover the cost of the test

I googled COVID track and trace scam and it seems from media reports that this was happening back in the summer 

Like I say, I'm sure this isn't news to you all, but I think it's worth repeating 

[Barbe bleu 809]

2 hours ago, Van wink said:

Has he buzzed off?

Nay.  I dont think so.

(Bit late to this but i couldn't resist the pun)

Edited October 29, 2020 by Barbe bleu

[Tetteys Jig 830]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

North West is TJ, but they are not as much for Covid as keeping the beds free ie as you are recovering and other illnesses.

yeah, thats what I'd based it on. Presumably the "bed hoggers" that are not quite well enough to go home but are in recovery will go to the nightingales, freeing up room for covid people.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

1 hour ago, sonyc said:

You may escape? Not quite as densely populated. Hopefully you won't.

we were looking like we had flatlined for a few days but the last couple of days haven't looked as good. I don't think it'll be long before we end up in tier 2 anyway... kind of surprised we've lasted October out to be honest.

[horsefly 4,273]

2 hours ago, Daz Sparks said:

#confused.

If you are talking about Bill, is he not posting as Horsefly?

Not me!

[Van wink 2,994]

15 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Nay.  I dont think so.

(Bit late to this but i couldn't resist the pun)

Why the long face?

[Well b back 3,182]

Could we have a game changer ?. There are lots of trials going on which we hear little or nothing about. A bit strange this one was launched in front of the TV cameras, I will see if I can find out more about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-54734068

[Well b back 3,182]

Don’t know if anyone else has bbc2 on the Trump show. At least Boris doesn’t actually tell you to do the opposite to the scientists, wow

[Yellow Fever 3,734]

3 hours ago, Van wink said:

Well you know what I would say to that.

From the link I posted, which is being shared widely within the NHS and hopefully education communities, it’s the teachers that appear to be presenting the greatest risk.

Cheers - Link seems to say good ventilation was important in any setting. Anyway I was seeing the 'good' news that the rate might just slowing in the last few days in places but of course schools are closed nationally at present with all that then goes with them (parents, teachers and pupils) less mingling. A slight 'pause' for breath is what we might expect.  Apologies if you'd made the same point earlier. Sadly I'm not optimistic given overseas we are seeing a significant change in R. 

 

[Van wink 2,994]

8 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Sadly I'm not optimistic given overseas we are seeing a significant change in R. 

 

Yep

[Well b back 3,182]

Thought we would be left out of tier 3 for a while longer but itv local news just said Birmingham, Walsall ( that’s us ), Wolverhampton, Sandwell and Solihull likely to go to tier 3 as early as Monday. That’s just about every major area above Coventry in tier 3.

[Teemu’s right foot 53]

A thread and graph to show that Weekly deaths and respiratory deaths are at a normal level for the time of year
 

 

[Tetteys Jig 830]

15 hours ago, Van wink said:

Please will you all read this
 

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html
 

 

it'd be good to see some scenarios of outdoor activities on this. Things like going to the footy with 30% capacity or having a drink around a table with 6 friends outside

[Well b back 3,182]

Teemu 

If you feel Covid doesn’t exist you should move to the North. So far we have lost 2 relatives and we are about to go into tier 3 to protect the South from getting the tsunami.

With the greatest of respect when it gets to where you live you will realise that Covid does exist.

I appreciate everyone has their own views but convincing people Covid does not exist is not helpful.
 

[Well b back 3,182]

3 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

it'd be good to see some scenarios of outdoor activities on this. Things like going to the footy with 30% capacity or having a drink around a table with 6 friends outside

Must say TJ I am the very nervous hideaway type in the scenarios ( if that makes sense ) and I must say I am getting more confident outside. 

[Van wink 2,994]

24 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

it'd be good to see some scenarios of outdoor activities on this. Things like going to the footy with 30% capacity or having a drink around a table with 6 friends outside

Yeh, the outdoor scenario’s will be so different won’t they. Ultimately it’s all about reducing risk and lowering the potential for spread. It’s a shame that people don’t seem able to take some basic precautions to look after their own health and that of others. I guess the issue at football grounds is keeping the separation not only in the ground but also in the lead up, entering and exiting the stadium and people shouting and singing.

Astonishing to see the crowd at Bishops Stortford the other night, how on earth can the message be got across when there are such blatant anomalies.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Van wink

[It's Character Forming 1,160]

1 hour ago, Teemu’s right foot said:

A thread and graph to show that Weekly deaths and respiratory deaths are at a normal level for the time of year
 

 

Sorry TRF but I think this is really missing the point.  Covid infections started to rise again in September and have really taken off, by all measures, in October.  There is always a lag between infections, then hospital admissions and increased numbers of deaths are the final outcome of the increases.

 

Sure enough, we're now seeing increased hospital admissions and, finally, increased numbers of deaths.  But the current much higher infection levels will only translate into even higher admissions and deaths after a delay.  And this is despite lots of restrictions across much of the country which are suppressing the level of infection.

[Van wink 2,994]

1 minute ago, It's Character Forming said:

Sorry TRF but I think this is really missing the point.  Covid infections started to rise again in September and have really taken off, by all measures, in October.  There is always a lag between infections, then hospital admissions and increased numbers of deaths are the final outcome of the increases.

 

Sure enough, we're now seeing increased hospital admissions and, finally, increased numbers of deaths.  But the current much higher infection levels will only translate into even higher admissions and deaths after a delay.  And this is despite lots of restrictions across much of the country which are suppressing the level of infection.

Yep, the death figures don’t cast much light on the progress of epidemic atm, I have no problem with people taking alternative views but it would be more helpful to their cause if the data was relevant to what we are dealing with and the way we know things progress.

[Well b back 3,182]

4 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Sorry TRF but I think this is really missing the point.  Covid infections started to rise again in September and have really taken off, by all measures, in October.  There is always a lag between infections, then hospital admissions and increased numbers of deaths are the final outcome of the increases.

 

Sure enough, we're now seeing increased hospital admissions and, finally, increased numbers of deaths.  But the current much higher infection levels will only translate into even higher admissions and deaths after a delay.  And this is despite lots of restrictions across much of the country which are suppressing the level of infection.

I didn’t even read the ins sorry.

Did it quote the August figures ? Of course it will show no excess deaths and hopefully they will be kept to a minimum over the winter thanks to our wonderful doctors and nurses.

Main way to slow it will be a vaccine, something he is opposed to taking and persuading others to not take it as well, luckily 80 % of the U.K. do not share that view.

[Barbe bleu 809]

4 hours ago, Teemu’s right foot said:

A thread and graph to show that Weekly deaths and respiratory deaths are at a normal level for the time of year
 

 

Respiratory deaths (excluding covid?) are below normal but if you add covid and others together (that is add the blue line to the orange) is it above normal ?

This is a question not a statement by the way.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

3 hours ago, Well b back said:

Must say TJ I am the very nervous hideaway type in the scenarios ( if that makes sense ) and I must say I am getting more confident outside. 

it annoys me that more emphasis isn't being given to promote safe outdoor activities that would otherwise be unsafe inside. I am playing 7 a side football outside once a week to get my fix and everything I have read since the start of the pandemic on outdoor spread reassures me that my risk in that setting is absolutely tiny provided I don't hang around in a big group at the end chatting and laughing away.

In an abnormal time, agile thinking is needed. Perhaps things like having pop up food courts outside should be promoted (with capacity limits clearly) rather than pussyfooting around on what pubs can and can't do.

This is one of the reasons why I think it hasn't taken off as much in many developing nations. They do much of their shopping/trading outdoors in open spaces so while it can look busy and chaotic, its far less susceptible to covid spread than many "safe looking" indoor shops.

I wasn't annoyed about the beaches being pretty full in summer for this precise reason. Yes there is plenty around that that could be unsafe like the toilets and arcades etc. but sunbathing on a reasonably full beach in summer was incredibly low risk

[Barbe bleu 809]

19 hours ago, Van wink said:

Please will you all read this
 

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html
 

 

No spread by fomites!?

Why have I been cleaning everything delivered to the house for so long?!

[sonyc 5,484]

11 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

No spread by fomites!?

Why have I been cleaning everything delivered to the house for so long?!

There are different studies BB. Some say fomites remain an issue. The aerosol research is compelling but it doesn't mean droplets are unimportant. Keep cleaning would be my guidance!