Bagster 101 Posted May 28, 2020 Ok seems you people have little to no experience in ADHD or autism I'll give some examples My son during the lockdown decided for some unknown reason to unplug his phone so no one could get hold of him. Five days later all the family is in panic mode, aswell as his work My eldest daughter drove 60 miles, knocked on his door, no answer, she is now in floods of tears. She then goes to his work and no one is there, she is in a state. At that moment he walks around the corner, he has literally no clue why everyone is upset.... zero, he's perplexed I even find him strange and I'm strange š He thinks differently to me, I don't always understand it but I accept it. Ā Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagster 101 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Herman said: You've turned into Jools,Bagster. Lots of whataboutery and yeah-buttery but no real admittance of making mistakes. If he had held his hands up apologised we may have moved on. He dug deep instead dragging the PM and sundry lickspittles down with him. He won't see it Herman, it's the point I'm trying to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bagster said: Well noĀ He didn't do any of that did he? You just made that up He drove to Durham and then to Durham castle Ā Ā You said " he didnt harm anyone " I just gave you a few examples of other reprehensibleĀ behaviourĀ that may do harm , but may not....if you are lucky enough to get away with it. He thought he'dĀ got away with it ...he was wrong.Ā His demeanourĀ at having his actions questionedĀ spoke volumes . ... and I'm an avid reader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagster 101 Posted May 28, 2020 They were terrible examples, if he behaved like that I wouldn't take his side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,447 Posted May 28, 2020 https://www.wddty.com/magazine/2020/june/natural-virus-killers.html Moving away from the Cummings thing, this article is fascinating (and long) and chimes with a report I've read recently about lockdown and it's potential screening effects. I never knew viruses were as ubiquitous as they obviously are. Interesting suggestions on how to deal with viruses when we contract them too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 520 Posted May 28, 2020 I have no empathy for the fact that he is barely human. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagster 101 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said: I have no empathy for the fact that he is barely human. Nice , anything else hateful you'd like to add or are you done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said: I have no empathy for the fact that he is barely human. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bagster said: They were terrible examples, if he behaved like that I wouldn't take his side Only to you are they terrible examples becauseĀ you surely know they are behavioursĀ that could well cause harm to others , justĀ as Cummins did. A test drive with wife and child in the car to see if his vision was ok....to a Beauty spot ...on his wife's birthday. Yeah right. Would love to hear what you would say if Corbyn or Starmer did the same..... IĀ guess we'llĀ never know but I know where I'd put myĀ money. Prob best to back down while you still have an iota of credibility....unless you enjoy being ridiculed, apparently that is a 'thing ' for some people. Just as some think they are above decent behaviour.Ā Ā Edited May 28, 2020 by wcorkcanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted May 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, ron obvious said: In some ways one of the most remarkable incidents happened right at the beginning of this saga. It was Cummings' reaction to finding out Boris had Covid 19: he ran. Ran clean out the door of no. 10. Now that is not a normal reaction. Did anyone else react like that? Given the closeness of his working with Johnson (& many others) he must have realised his chances of being infectedĀ were sky high, but running away like that? To put it bluntly, I reckon he was soiling himself. I think that was his frame of mind when he decided to get out ASAP. I think he's odd. I think his personalityĀ displays aspects of autism, & his reaction suggests to me that he doesn't deal rationally with the threat of illness. If so it would go some way to explain, if not excuse, his subsequent actions. Ā Ā Ā Ā He ran out of Downing St to go home when he heard his wife was ill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 520 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Bagster said: Nice , anything else hateful you'd like to add or are you done I'd like to add loads. The style of our current Government has been described as pugilistic, and that style has been set by DC. This was summed up as "never apologise, never admit anything and attack the questioner." I for one believe that having the humility to apologise when wrong, admitting to mistakes and conducting oneself in a civilised way are central to being a properly formed human being. DC is none of these things, so in my opinion he is barely human. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: He ran out of Downing St to go home when he heard his wife was ill. I was referencing The Mirror: Dominic Cummings was spotted running away from Downing Street after news broke thatĀ Boris JohnsonĀ hadĀ coronavirus. The Prime Minister's top aide was seen dashing out of the door of Number 10 as the news broke that his boss would be entering quarantine for 7 days. Wearing a green jacket and carrying a large laptop bag, Mr Cummings ran across Downing Street towards a set of steps at the end of the road, leading to the street's back gate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said: I'd like to add loads. The style of our current Government has been described as pugilistic, and that style has been set by DC. This was summed up as "never apologise, never admit anything and attack the questioner." I for one believe that having the humility to apologise when wrong, admitting to mistakes and conducting oneself in a civilised way are central to being a properly formed human being. DC is none of these things, so in my opinion he is barely human. In that case half the people I've ever met are barely human. It would also apply to a lot of posters on here. Ā 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) Infection rate still to high for T and T imo. ToĀ early to be significantly easing off on lockdown. Edited May 28, 2020 by Van wink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,447 Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Van wink said: Infection rate still to high for T and T imo. ToĀ early to be significantly easing off on lockdown. If there is one plus in all of this, it's got to be surely that there has been a huge amount of learning that has taken place and will help in the future. Clearly we have not been ready but surely we will be better prepared for any new waves? Edited May 28, 2020 by sonyc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Van wink said: Infection rate still to high for T and T imo. ToĀ early to be significantly easing off on lockdown. Is there a lockdown? Not so , judging by the actions of the man that wrote the rules, they can do whateverĀ they like and because politics is so divisive some would stoop to support them rather than admit that the person they support has f ucked up. This is why we teach our children to come clean if theyve messed up . We deal with it and move on. We do not teach them to deny , obfuscate and deflect.Ā There are some principles that are non negotiable.Ā 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted May 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, ron obvious said: I was referencing The Mirror: Dominic Cummings was spotted running away from Downing Street after news broke thatĀ Boris JohnsonĀ hadĀ coronavirus. The Prime Minister's top aide was seen dashing out of the door of Number 10 as the news broke that his boss would be entering quarantine for 7 days. Wearing a green jacket and carrying a large laptop bag, Mr Cummings ran across Downing Street towards a set of steps at the end of the road, leading to the street's back gate. Ah, apologies, you are right, although looking at the coverage it wasnātĀ clear that he was running away because Johnson had tested positive. The one report I have quickly seen doesnāt link the two. He may just have been in a hurry to get somewhere for anĀ unconnected reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, PurpleCanary said: He may just have been in a hurry to get somewhere for anĀ unconnected reason Late for an eye test? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, sonyc said: If there is one plus in all of this, it's got to be surely that there has been a huge amount of learning that has taken place and will help in the future. Clearly we have not been ready but surely we will be better prepared for any new waves? 8000 new infections a day, far to high to be doing whatās proposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagster 101 Posted May 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Only to you are they terrible examples becauseĀ you surely know they are behavioursĀ that could well cause harm to others , justĀ as Cummins did. A test drive with wife and child in the car to see if his vision was ok....to a Beauty spot ...on his wife's birthday. Yeah right. Would love to hear what you would say if Corbyn or Starmer did the same..... IĀ guess we'llĀ never know but I know where I'd put myĀ money. Prob best to back down while you still have an iota of credibility....unless you enjoy being ridiculed, apparently that is a 'thing ' for some people. Just as some think they are above decent behaviour.Ā Ā Oh yes sir, I'll back down because it would really upset me if you didn't think I had any credibility. Believe what you want to believe I really don't care but your examples were ridiculous. You also don't know the exact fact about his eye sight , how bad it was or whether it would be affected by duration, if so he could stop. You make conclusions without knowing real facts. You then get angry and insulting when someone offers a different viewĀ Get a grip of yourself Karen š Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,690 Posted May 28, 2020 S. Korea. Re-imposed lock down. 2ndĀ wave anybody ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said: S. Korea. Re-imposed lock down. 2ndĀ wave anybody ? Is it ālockdownā? Only thing Iāve read said museums and parks were closing again, not that people were being forced to stay indoors again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,690 Posted May 28, 2020 Vallance. "Antibody surveys estimate that under 7% of people have antibodies to the virus, meaning the āvast majorityā are still vulnerable, he adds." I think we can really forget aboutĀ 'herd immunityĀ anytimeĀ soon.Ā Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted May 28, 2020 Boris has just drawn a line under it. I guess we have debated enough. I fail to see why any member of the public would defend someone who admitted breaking the rules which was confirmed by Durham Constabulary, but lawyers have to defend murderers. Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bagster said: Oh yes sir, I'll back down because it would really upset me if you didn't think I had any credibility. Believe what you want to believe I really don't care but your examples were ridiculous. You also don't know the exact fact about his eye sight , how bad it was or whether it would be affected by duration, if so he could stop. You make conclusions without knowing real facts. You then get angry and insulting when someone offers a different viewĀ Get a grip of yourself Karen š Now who's getting touchy?Ā You have no idea about his eyesightĀ but unless you are devoid of intelligenceĀ then I think you may agree that a test drive with wife and child is not the best way to find out, crass stupidity... and we are supposed to believe in this man ? I have never beenĀ called Karen and as for credibilityĀ , I'm willing to wager I'm not the only person that is completely confused as to why you want to defend him.Ā Just as it was only the Binners that thought Lambert behaved reasonably at CarrowĀ rd.... Blind LoyaltyĀ (for now anyway) anyone? Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Bagster said: I suppose that was aimed at me Keelan? I offered a different viewpoint that's all I look at it from a different angle because that's how my brain works I'm sorry if that offends anyoneĀ Maybe you should rebuild the gas chambers and gas the minority ; Anyhow I've said my piece , judge away Until the next time š No one understands me!Ā Wah wah. Man up and admit you were trying to defend the indefensible.Ā LawyersĀ have an excuse.....they get paid to do it....what's your excuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 520 Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bagster said: I suppose that was aimed at me Keelan? I offered a different viewpoint that's all I look at it from a different angle because that's how my brain works I'm sorry if that offends anyoneĀ Maybe you should rebuild the gas chambers and gas the minority ; Anyhow I've said my piece , judge away Until the next time š I think that you've just broken my "offenderometer". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bagster said: Maybe you should rebuild the gas chambers and gas the minority ; Speaking as somebody whose grandfather was in a concentration camp that had gas chambers, that he somehow by the twists of fate never ended up in.... I feel quite well founded to say that you can go **** yourself. I'm not someone who offends easily, or is particularly PC, but there are some things that are not OK and flippant comments about gas chambers is one of them. ****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted May 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bagster said: I suppose that was aimed at me Keelan? I offered a different viewpoint that's all I look at it from a different angle because that's how my brain works I'm sorry if that offends anyoneĀ Maybe you should rebuild the gas chambers and gas the minority ; Anyhow I've said my piece , judge away Until the next time š There's a line on this forum, it's often blurred, bent and pushed at, but you've just blown through it. Do you even appreciate how utterly distasteful and disgusting that comment is? I concur with KIO, go **** yourself. Reported. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted May 28, 2020 On 26/05/2020 at 20:57, BigFish said: Yep, 60,000+ dead good job. So good that Cyprus are opening their tourist industry for everyone else but banning Brits. Well done for the the most tasteless post on this thread 60000 deaths? Thatās not what the ONS have reported. Even with your exaggerated figure that is about 0.09% of the UK population. Tragic for the families concerned but still much less than the annual death rate from cancer for comparison. So yes, well done to the government even if the hard lefties hate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites