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Gove says it isn't a crime to care for your wife and child.

The word Care is something that he and his Government thought was somewhere to send old people to die.

 

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2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Gove says it isn't a crime to care for your wife and child.

The word Care is something that he and his Government thought was somewhere to send old people to die.

 

Nor is it a crime to go to a funeral or stay away from your grandmother who is ill in a home. But those were the rules. Solemnly explained too.

Not too ill to drive all that way? Sister to collect child?

What have all other families done?

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Two Cabinet ministers have tweeted not to politicise the Cummings issue. He wasn't elected. So was a political appointment. And he isn't needed at the moment. So if you are really the man at the top Boris, do what everyone knows is the right thing.

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However KG there has been a WhatsApp group asking MPs to rally round the Cummings situation. Hence why we are seeing supportive messages.

It's the modus operandi.

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12 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

whereas now it has the usual righties (you and Ricardo) trying to defend one of yours

 

More unfounded tripe, shame.

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12 hours ago, Bill said:

As this brings into question the fines those who have been deemed to have been'  breaking the rules'

Likewise it brings into question his wife's (Mary Wakefield) account in the Spectator of what they were doing at that time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249237/Dominic-Cummings-lifts-lid-isolation-wife-young-son-ill-coronavirus.html

so let's hope that for Cummings sake he is not on the end of similar self righteous Tory wind baggery as with Ferguson

and

"On the same evening, Scotland’s chief medical officer, Catherine Calderwood, was forced to resign after she was photographed visiting her second home in Fife."

What did for Nixon was the cover up, not the break in.

So,

Who knew Cummings was at his parents ?

Who drove, given his wife claimed that he was in bed for 10 days ?

"“At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter.'' whereas the police have stated that they did, on 31st March. So who is lying ? No 10 or the police ?

Did Johnson know about this, and if not why not ?

If he did then he was part of the cover up that has denied this over the past 6 weeks or so. If not then who is in charge at No, 10 ?

Which leads us to the constant question in regard to Johnson

Joker or Knave ?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, sonyc said:

However KG there has been a WhatsApp group asking MPs to rally round the Cummings situation. Hence why we are seeing supportive messages.

It's the modus operandi.

Three pronged attack.

Get MPs to circle the wagons.

Get compliant journalists like Laura Kuennsberg to start quotig "unnamed government sources".

Get the Guido gang to start a twitter and fakebook war.

We've seen this a few times over the last few years. It's all a bit tawdry.

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23 minutes ago, Van wink said:

More unfounded tripe, shame.

I know most of what you post is unfounded(misrepresentation, at best) but we do have to pay heed of some of it

and in this case it has only been you and Ricardo who have bleated in defence, by your trying to claim that discussion on this matter is spoiling (my word) this thread

and having Ricardo posting up an absurd comment using a Primary school play ground term

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6 minutes ago, Herman said:

Three pronged attack.

Get MPs to circle the wagons.

Get compliant journalists like Laura Kuennsberg to start quotig "unnamed government sources".

Get the Guido gang to start a twitter and fakebook war.

We've seen this a few times over the last few years. It's all a bit tawdry.

Let them @Herman, if they really want to die in a ditch over Cummings and his behaviour it speaks volumes.

Firstly, that there is one rule for the Brexity cabal running Britain and there is another for the reset of us.

Secondly, this government cannot function without this unelected advisor.

This is clearly out of control and leaking from Twitter into the real world. The longer it goes on the more Tory voters will recognise they were had.

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The foot stampers are out in force.

2-5 he stays

7-4 he goes (was 2-1) value bet

get on quick anything could happen

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The longer this goes on the longer the damage will be,

Many on here may recall the various shenanigans with Major's lot.

It was the behaviour of various MPs in contradiction -of the  preaching of Back to Basics that started the rot. But what caused the real disquiet was the way various culprits clung on, refusing to resign.

A refusal to recognise that requirement applied to everyone - not just the little people

So, as said, where now the validity of the fines handed out to said little people ?

Where now the authority of the police in the matter of breaking those regulations

"F ck you copper, if Cummings can do it.....'' may now be the response up and down the land

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11 minutes ago, Bill said:

I know most of what you post is unfounded(misrepresentation, at best) but we do have to pay heed of some of it

and in this case it has only been you and Ricardo who have bleated in defence, by your trying to claim that discussion on this matter is spoiling (my word) this thread

and having Ricardo posting up an absurd comment using a Primary school play ground term

I have no opinion on the matter and from what Ive seen most have bent the rules to their own advantage regardless of what side of the political divide they are on and as with Ferguson last week, I am amazed at those who give a toss.

A good betting opportunity for those with the courage to back their judgement though.

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5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

The foot stampers are out in force.

2-5 he stays

7-4 he goes (was 2-1) value bet

get on quick anything could happen

jeez

your toadying isn't half an embarrassment

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Just now, ricardo said:

I have no opinion on the matter and from what Ive seen most have bent the rules to their own advantage regardless of what side of the political divide they are on and as with Ferguson last week, I am amazed at those who give a toss.

A good betting opportunity for those with the courage to back their judgement though.

Or, one of my betters has been caught out bang to rights so the best I can do is to try to trivialise it

Rather makes you a hypocrite given all the whining about being vulnerable

 

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3 minutes ago, Bill said:

jeez

your toadying isn't half an embarrassment

Never embarrassed to win a bet bill. Bookies sometimes make mistakes thankfully.

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If he stays (and if those odds are representative, he is), it will damage the Tory party more than if he resigns or is relieved of his duties...as in forever being damaged goods (agree with Bill on this). All in the midst of a pandemic and in the public gaze. If will mean words mean less and this denudes public trust.

It is not good for wider society is it? Imagine bringing your children up with those kind of values...rules for you but different ones for me.

Old-fashioned perhaps...but leading by some kind of example?

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3 minutes ago, sonyc said:

If he stays (and if those odds are representative, he is), it will damage the Tory party more than if he resigns or is relieved of his duties...as in forever being damaged goods (agree with Bill on this). All in the midst of a pandemic and in the public gaze. If will mean words mean less and this denudes public trust.

It is not good for wider society. Imagine bringing your children up with those kind of values...rules for you but different ones for me.

I care neither way.

If he stays his presence will further tarnish this government's tattered reputation. He is unelected and and unrepresentative anyway.

The damage is already done in this case.

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1 minute ago, sonyc said:

If he stays (and if those odds are representative, he is), it will damage the Tory party more than if he resigns or is relieved of his duties...as in forever being damaged goods (agree with Bill on this). All in the midst of a pandemic and in the public gaze. If will mean words mean less and thus denudes public trust.

It is not good for wider society. Imagine bringing your children up with those kind of values...rules for you but different ones for me.

I thought the 2-1 going was a fair bet and who knows he might still go but looks like the big money is on him staying.

Amazing how these people keep getting caught out, should have realised there is always someone watching. As soon as you rattle the bins there's  someone peeping through the curtains round our way. Lots of head shaking when I went out on my bike the other day.🚲

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If had been Diane Abott, the right wing and its media would have been having a field day about some form of sham socialism.

So it is only natural that those of us who didn't vote for this dysfunctional mob are going to take advantage of the two faced incompetence.

Johnson is like a kipper; two faced and no back bone.

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The real question is .............. why is it so important that he stays /

If he is no more than his role is being portrayed as....... then I don't doubt that he can continue that...just away from being in No.10

Or is it that he is able to sit in on any meeting and determine what is agreed ?

If so, then who is in charge ?

Those running Cummings. would seem to be the answer.

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Just now, ricardo said:

I thought the 2-1 going was a fair bet and who knows he might still go but looks like the big money is on him staying.

Amazing how these people keep getting caught out, should have realised there is always someone watching. As soon as you rattle the bins there's  someone peeping through the curtains round our way. Lots of head shaking when I went out on my bike the other day.🚲

Trouble is Ricardo, people take pictures of and tell the world about what they had for breakfast. The so called leader of the free world tweets so many times a day that he will get caught out even if its just punctuation. When you and I were nippers, the Government was far more in the background. Supermac and Wilson kept out of the limelight. I struggle to understand why so many need the world to love them and congratulate them.

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So apparently it’s a misunderstanding - the self-quarantine rules as clearly communicated by the PM and his Cabinet were not actually broken....

The senior advisor to the PM, who had need to arrange child care for his 4 year old could not get any help from his employer....

Is that what they are going with? Is he not already classified an “essential worker”? Can anyone possibly believe that if they WANTED to stay in London they couldn’t have worked it out? 
 

Combined with the, at minimum, economical with the truth article from DC’s own wife, and No 10 throwing the local police under the bus, Boris has indeed set himself up for another U turn when the Sunday / Monday papers start to dissect this pile of lies in every detail. 
 

I bet Matt Hancock is looking forward to his press briefing today 🙂 Unless he’s gone on a long weekend holiday too and they offer up a sacrificial lamb to hide behind “no comment”
 

Aside from the political theatre and ongoing crisis of BJ’s credibility, this has to effect the ability of the Government to administer the lock down. If DC can do this why is Pritti Patel insisting on 14 day quarantine for everyone coming to UK who only MIGHT have CV19?

Having hounded a Scottish health minister and a UK senior health advisor to resign over breaking lockdown, they can’t just ignore this - even if they had said “yes, Dominic Cummings spoke with Boris Johnson and the PM issued special approval to travel” it would be far less damaging than “those lockdown rules, well it’s O.K. to ignore them, just don’t get caught”
 

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5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Amazing how these people keep getting caught out, should have realised there is always someone watching.

but there's not always an attempt at a cover up....which is where the damage really lies

And talking of lies we have his wife lying in the Spectator, long after it this known about.

Number 10 to have claimed that the police were not aware, when they did know

Both of which lead to the question whether Johnson was involved in that deceit,

As if he had been informed by the police  then he has stood by and allowed a false story (a lie) to be maintained

An advisor breaking the lock down rule is one thing, the PM being involved in a cover up is a far greater concern.......... for him

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3 hours ago, Van wink said:

Shame for what started out as a good thread.

Sadly once a thread reaches a number number of posts, it attracts the attention of the same old attention seekers and trolls who derail the thread.

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2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Trouble is Ricardo, people take pictures of and tell the world about what they had for breakfast. The so called leader of the free world tweets so many times a day that he will get caught out even if its just punctuation. When you and I were nippers, the Government was far more in the background. Supermac and Wilson kept out of the limelight. I struggle to understand why so many need the world to love them and congratulate them.

Indeed, amazing how people are interested in such minutiae. Politicians were no different back in the day its just that we didn't  hear of any misdemeanours  until they were long gone. John Major and Edwina Curry springs to mind and there was also much speculation about Wilson and Marcia Falkender.

Of the three who recently got caught out I had more sympathy with Ferguson missing out on his nuptials. I supose if you put yourself in the public eye you have to live with the consequences.

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4 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Don’t mind talking about government lying, when are we discussing Tony Blair?

He is why I question what the government does.

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2 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Don’t mind talking about government lying, when are we discussing Tony Blair?

We have done many times but as a socialist I prefer to think he was more of a Tory than anything else. The death of John Smith was so unfortunate.

And Blair was a liar of the 1st order. And all other PM's since have adopted his technique.

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