Corona Virus main thread

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

This country changed beyond recognition in the 1980's and has never changed back.

Very true. Greed became good and something to strive for. Trickle down never really worked.

 

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,182]

13 hours ago, ron obvious said:

Odd thing for a far right group to tweet

 

As @Herman has pointed out, a lot of disinformation is spread on Twitter 

It could be someone opposed to XR trying to discredit them.

 it could be someone who identifies with XR, but has extreme views that don't represent the XR movement 

It could be someone taking the píss

[ron obvious 1,501]

5 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

As @Herman has pointed out, a lot of disinformation is spread on Twitter 

It could be someone opposed to XR trying to discredit them.

 it could be someone who identifies with XR, but has extreme views that don't represent the XR movement 

It could be someone taking the píss

Problem is the site, which had been going for a while, was followed by other parts of XR, even after it tweeted out that poster. Which is odd.

 

[dylanisabaddog 4,875]

This map appears on the Guardian website this morning. The bigger the circle the more cases. Very noticeable that King's Lynn has more cases than Norwich. Is that due to people from London coming to the North Norfolk coast? 

[GenerationA47 750]

13 hours ago, Herman said:

There's a lot of bots on twitter with an aim of divide and rule, mischief making and a deliberate aim of creating confusion and lack of trust.

Mike Hind's The Disinformation Age website and podcasts are a good guide on the misuse of twitter and other social media scams.

@ron obvious all true in general, but how can a regional group of environmentalist collective Extinction Rebellion (XR) be termed far right?! (Must have missed summat here)

[ron obvious 1,501]

3 minutes ago, GenerationA47 said:

@ron obvious all true in general, but how can a regional group of environmentalist collective Extinction Rebellion (XR) be termed far right?! (Must have missed summat here)

XR are saying that that website ( I think it's East Midlands XR) has been hijacked by the far right, although they were still being followed by the rest of XR after tweeting that poster. One would have hoped the rest of XR dissociate itself as soon as that tweet appeared. So there remains the possibility that the general XR attitude is not well disposed towards mankind & agrees to a greater or lesser extent with the view expressed in that poster.

[GenerationA47 750]

12 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

XR are saying that that website ( I think it's East Midlands XR) has been hijacked by the far right, although they were still being followed by the rest of XR after tweeting that poster. One would have hoped the rest of XR dissociate itself as soon as that tweet appeared. So there remains the possibility that the general XR attitude is not well disposed towards mankind & agrees to a greater or lesser extent with the view expressed in that poster.

Aha got you, thanks for clarifying ! 

From  ITV’s website:

“A spokeswoman for XR UK told ITV Central the tweet "in no way represents" the group's position, and said she "absolutely, wholeheartedly condemned" the message.

"It looks like the account was dormant for a long period of time - and it's never tweeted anything like this before," she said.

"We're trying to make contact with them but they're not communicating. We don't know for sure who it is, but it screams of being a fake account." “

[Herman 9,717]

1 hour ago, ron obvious said:

Problem is the site, which had been going for a while, was followed by other parts of XR, even after it tweeted out that poster. Which is odd.

 

It's either some nefarious entity playing a long term game, looking legit and then using a perfect time to spread bad info. 

Or it's an idiot that has gone way off message. 

[ron obvious 1,501]

3 minutes ago, Herman said:

It's either some nefarious entity playing a long term game, looking legit and then using a perfect time to spread bad info. 

Or it's an idiot that has gone way off message. 

Or it's something a lot of people in XR agree with.

I have no idea which it is, but I do worry sometimes. There was a guy from the Green Party on Politics Live saying how we had to do away with gas boilers immediately. When somebody said, even if that meant some old people would die from pneumonia, he said words to the effect then sobeit.

[Icecream Snow 761]

Poor Italians are seeing a fairly consistent 600-700 deaths a day.

The WHO said the US had the potential to become the centre of the pandemic a few days ago. Hopefully all these cases can peak, but still feels like there's a hell of a long way to go.

[Icecream Snow 761]

Courtesy of the Guardian

[T 190]

Hitting democrat areas hardest. 

[Surfer 1,547]

28 minutes ago, T said:

Hitting democrat areas hardest. 

That is because it hits the cities (highest population density) and the locations with the highest number of international travelers first.... let's not make this a Democratic v Republican thing, the countryside's turn in the barrel is delayed but it will come... 

[T 190]

Agreed.  Trump is making it political though. 

[Essjayess 307]

51 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

Poor Italians are seeing a fairly consistent 600-700 deaths a day.

The WHO said the US had the potential to become the centre of the pandemic a few days ago. Hopefully all these cases can peak, but still feels like there's a hell of a long way to go.

Indeed, but in Italy its the 6th day running where its been consistent...another word is stabilising...albeit a sad stabilisation. Just hoping for them that at some point it actually starts a slow decrease. We have as yet seen no European nation that can say lockdown has had any effect at decreasing the numbers of deaths / new cases...Italy will be the obvious start as the European crisis started there.

[kick it off 1,948]

So the death toll in the UK yesterday was low because they've changed the reporting period from 9am to 5pm so yesterday's deaths only reflected those who passed away between 9am and 5pm the day before.

Today's numbers are alarming - 105 deaths 5pm on 24th to 5pm yesterday. That's a fairly big increase (ignoring the figures yesterday as anomalous due to the reporting period changes.

[sonyc 5,492]

7 minutes ago, Essjayess said:

Indeed, but in Italy its the 6th day running where its been consistent...another word is stabilising...albeit a sad stabilisation. Just hoping for them that at some point it actually starts a slow decrease. We have as yet seen no European nation that can say lockdown has had any effect at decreasing the numbers of deaths / new cases...Italy will be the obvious start as the European crisis started there.

Yes, it is (a grim) interest to see and hope cases start to fall. And whether stabilisation is indeed linked to distancing or whether it would have played out anyway.

Only China did a strict lockdown like probably only they could as a country. Yet even there now, signs are of very gradual increase again now (they have partially lifted restrictions haven't they?). Herd immunity as a concept will re-emerge I'm quite sure (Whitty is a smart bloke). It's how health services are resistant to these pandemics. For learning, surely Germany is a good neighbour to analyse.

[sonyc 5,492]

1 minute ago, kick it off said:

So the death toll in the UK yesterday was low because they've changed the reporting period from 9am to 5pm so yesterday's deaths only reflected those who passed away between 9am and 5pm the day before.

Today's numbers are alarming - 105 deaths 5pm on 24th to 5pm yesterday. That's a fairly big increase (ignoring the figures yesterday as anomalous due to the reporting period changes.

I wondered if we might be looking at 11500 tonight (+2000) for active cases just looking at the graph trend extending. Without lockdown it was looking at c.80,000 by 31/3 looking at the graphs before stronger distancing measures. I now think it will be closer to a quarter to a third of that figure (that  is a massive difference). Looking at Italy and even if it slows down you can see distancing measures lasting for many more weeks, perhaps even many more months. And therefore any football matches taking place is ridiculous.

[sonyc 5,492]

Actually 11658 (just published now) with 578 died.

[kick it off 1,948]

1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Actually 11658 (just published now) with 578 died.

Thanks - got my figures slightly out, its 103 deaths in the 24 hour period, not 105. Explains why yesterday's total seemed suspiciously low. Very sad either way.

[kick it off 1,948]

20 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Only China did a strict lockdown like probably only they could as a country. 

My partner's uncle is regional manager for greater China for a huge hotel chain. His car got scratched when parked at his work garage one day. He reported it to the police and they reviewed CCTV footage from the garage, identified the guy who'd done it, and located his car on the road, got police out to him and arrested him. He was arrested less than 30 mins after her uncle made the report.

There was a problem with horns being honked incessantly in Shanghai (as in many chinese cities). Shanghai's local govt implemented a system that if you honk your horn, they can identify who has done it and shame you with a mugshot on electronic billboards at the side of the road (along with a fine). It's utter madness how controlled their populace are.

I was there in the summer and the surveillance is unimaginable. Major roads have cameras every 100 or so metres taking pictures every 30 seconds. Where we'd have 1 or 2 cameras on a street, they have 15+.... Approx 170 million in the country (we have around 6million but obviously much smaller population).....You're right, they are definitely one of a very small group of countries that could lockdown in that way.

Edited March 26, 2020 by kick it off

[Essjayess 307]

19 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Yes, it is (a grim) interest to see and hope cases start to fall. And whether stabilisation is indeed linked to distancing or whether it would have played out anyway.

Only China did a strict lockdown like probably only they could as a country. Yet even there now, signs are of very gradual increase again now (they have partially lifted restrictions haven't they?). Herd immunity as a concept will re-emerge I'm quite sure (Whitty is a smart bloke). It's how health services are resistant to these pandemics. For learning, surely Germany is a good neighbour to analyse.

No, China is still in lockdown, after nearly 3 months. They are hoping to have a partial lockdown in place in 2nd week of April. Considering China's length of lockdown, plus the enormous medical and organisational manpower they had at hand, its plainly obvious that, even those European nations with the best health care systems like Italy and Germany will need lockdowns of twice the period of the Chinese..we are talking 6 months, or longer. And yes thats why, this idea of the PL and EFL somehow and magically playing  games in June to complete the season is just fantasy.

[Indy 3,284]

3 minutes ago, Essjayess said:

No, China is still in lockdown, after nearly 3 months. They are hoping to have a partial lockdown in place in 2nd week of April. Considering China's length of lockdown, plus the enormous medical and organisational manpower they had at hand, its plainly obvious that, even those European nations with the best health care systems like Italy and Germany will need lockdowns of twice the period of the Chinese..we are talking 6 months, or longer. And yes thats why, this idea of the PL and EFL somehow and magically playing  games in June to complete the season is just fantasy.

6 month lockdown will never happen as a Trump has already indicated, US  will need to move to start the economy or face a catastrophic future. He’s already looking at June to be up a running, this is why I think Trump will super fast track a vaccine in the us. We shall see.

[T 190]

I suspect some social distancing will be the norm until a vaccine is found but they are increasing medical testing and treatment capacity which will enable restrictions to be relaxed so they can keep within treatment capacity. Treatments will be developed. The virus will pass through the population  A test for anti bodies will be developed soon which will a game changer and allow greater freedom for those who have had the virus. The next few weeks and months will be horrible though and I doubt there will be full recovery until a vaccine is available. It will pass through and things will improve in time. 

[Icecream Snow 761]

Updated figures. Italy has even more deaths

[Icecream Snow 761]

1 hour ago, Essjayess said:

Indeed, but in Italy its the 6th day running where its been consistent...another word is stabilising...albeit a sad stabilisation. Just hoping for them that at some point it actually starts a slow decrease. We have as yet seen no European nation that can say lockdown has had any effect at decreasing the numbers of deaths / new cases...Italy will be the obvious start as the European crisis started there.

It might be stabilizing in the North of Italy, but according to the BBC it's moving south, Southern Italy is poorer and their healthcare is worse than in the Northern regions.

[Indy 3,284]

5 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

Updated figures. Italy has even more deaths

I will keep reiterating that today roughly 150,000 people on this planet passed away, as sad as this is and as much as we need to do our bit, perspective is needed at times. As nobody is worried about the other 148,000 people who died today!

[Barbe bleu 815]

Lads, 

Its ok, let's go back to work and carry on as we were.  Indy has pointed out that his pension pot is looking a bit low and that this is all perfectly normal.

[Aggy 752]

58 minutes ago, Indy said:

6 month lockdown will never happen as a Trump has already indicated, US  will need to move to start the economy or face a catastrophic future. He’s already looking at June to be up a running, this is why I think Trump will super fast track a vaccine in the us. We shall see.

The unemployment numbers in the US are staggering. There’s a graph on Twitter which really hits home, I’ll try and link it. Five times more people filed for unemployment in the US this week than ever before. 3.3 million vs 695,000. That means there are c.2.6 million people who have filed for unemployment purely because of Coronavirus. And that doesn’t take into account people who either haven’t been able to file for unemployment yet or aren’t eligible.

 How long can a government (even the US government) support nearly three and a half million extra unemployed people? And as things get worse those numbers are only going to increase.  And if they can’t support nearly three and a half million (or more) extra people, how many deaths are there going to be when people are homeless, unable to buy food etc.?

Edited March 26, 2020 by Aggy

[Alex Moss 2,165]

4 minutes ago, Indy said:

I will keep reiterating that today roughly 150,000 people on this planet passed away, as sad as this is and as much as we need to do our bit, perspective is needed at times. As nobody is worried about the other 148,000 people who died today!

Don’t get that, Indy, with respect. As the vast majority of those 150,000 will have passed away due to old age and natural causes, that’s probably why people aren’t worried about those who have naturally completed their cycle, as in birth, it’s a completely normal day to day event, no? (god rest their souls)