Nuff Said 4,938 Posted February 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Aggy said: I think if the tackler gets a yellow, the injured player is now allowed to stay on. I guess it’s a balance between not penalising an injured player and time wasting. If it’s not a yellow then you’re probably not going to be too badly injured. Sometimes it’s a 50/50 thing, but it’s the team with the player who goes off which loses out. Having said this, when it’s play acting, being penalised seems only fair. Maybe there should be a rule that if a player is on the ground for more than say 30 seconds, and they subsequently can run off without problem, they have to go off and wait to come back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Upo said: Youtube match highlight videos not having the game-time visible. That makes it unnecessarily cumbersome to find the precise moment I wish to investigate if I'm trying to understand the context of a particular statistic. Like when I wanted to see why Rupp had 0.74 XG against Newcastle and I didn't recall any big chance he had. He DID have @ 21' (everybody forgot that one) and I wasted like 5 minutes trying to locate it. (Why wasn't it ruled offside by the way?) Not sure which highlights version you're watching, but at 2.03 onwards on this Chris Goreham explains that the linesman did flag for it, but the ref waved play on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,353 Posted February 4, 2020 There was contact ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,178 Posted February 5, 2020 Stewards rushing on the pitch after the game to escort the officials down the tunnel. If the ref has a bad game he deserves to have players and managers asking him to explain himself. In fact I'd say if it's been particularly bad he should be forced to stand in the centre circle for five minutes while the crowd show their option of him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Upo 91 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Not sure which highlights version you're watching, but at 2.03 onwards on this Chris Goreham explains that the linesman did flag for it, but the ref waved play on. Thanks for pointing that out! I sometimes mute the audio so I can form my own judgment. Forgot to turn it on. 😑 Newcastle's defender actually touched the ball on its way to Rupp. Does that matter for offsides? Atleast it was counted as an attempt for calculating XGs. Edited February 5, 2020 by Upo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Wal 314 Posted February 5, 2020 The 'peacemakers' who rush in when there's a confrontation and immediately gets between the players and gets hold of the opposition player, usually causing more trouble. If they genuinely want to make the peace, they should restrain their own player, not an opposition player. Players should not lay hands on their opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,456 Posted February 5, 2020 Another one from me- the massive over/misuse of assists as a statistic. It is honestly the most pointless metric in football but gets given so much weight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobsworth Canary 168 Posted February 5, 2020 Flags, Drums and plastic fans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Half Ar5ed Hipster 82 Posted February 5, 2020 People that moan about players wearing gloves when wearing a short sleeve jersey... I go running, I wear gloves without a long sleeve shirt when doing so. I also get extremely painful cold fingers but also find I get really hot if I wear a long sleeve shirt (or base-layer) with gloves and it makes the run uncomfortable. Hence gloves and short sleeve shirt and voila! Perfect. All this 'back in my day' BS. Yes, cos playing in pain or being uncomfortable makes you more of a manly player. 🙄 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROBFLECK 131 Posted February 5, 2020 Does play-acting, diving, acting like having a broken leg or a torn muscle and then jumping around on the sideline to be let on the field again, count as a little thing? One of the things that has made football less of a "man's game" is this prima donna stuff and falling over like you've just been stabbed , while the adversory has only brushed you aside... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canarywary 102 Posted February 5, 2020 Managers who spit. It's bad enough the players doing it. Plus the ball-boy for the opposition in one of our recent matches (I forget which) who stood there smirking and shrugging whilst refusing to throw the ball back and made McLean run over and get it off him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Jobsworth Canary said: Scampi Chips and plastic Peas. 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Half Ar5ed Hipster said: People that moan about players wearing gloves when wearing a short sleeve jersey... I go running, I wear gloves without a long sleeve shirt when doing so. I also get extremely painful cold fingers but also find I get really hot if I wear a long sleeve shirt (or base-layer) with gloves and it makes the run uncomfortable. Hence gloves and short sleeve shirt and voila! Perfect. All this 'back in my day' BS. Yes, cos playing in pain or being uncomfortable makes you more of a manly player. 🙄 There is an old Military expression... Any fool can be uncomfortable. I couldn't care less if Todders, or anyone for that matter wears pink and purple gloves with a string up through the sleeves so he doesn't lose them at ht , if that's how they are comfortable. Being displeased with something as trivial as gloves says more about the complainer than the wearer. I've never heard of a transfer not going through because the player occasionally wears gloves. It's not an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,156 Posted February 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Not sure which highlights version you're watching, but at 2.03 onwards on this Chris Goreham explains that the linesman did flag for it, but the ref waved play on. Highlights that are 5 minutes long but take 30 seconds to introduce the players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,512 Posted February 5, 2020 20 hours ago, lake district canary said: Ok, so how many times did we lose goals soon after scoring last season and this......quite a few.....I wonder if getting carried away with scoring and losing focus has something to do with it....quite a bit imo, particularly with so many young players in a side. Because I was bored, and because I doubted that this was correct, I have done the research on our league games this season and last season. Last season, there were 27 occasions when we scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps between these goals, in ascending order, were as follows: 2 @ 1 minute, 2 @ 2, 1 @ 3, 1 @5, 3 @ 6, 2 @ 7, 3 @ 9, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 14, 1@ 17, 1 @ 19, 2 @ 23, 1@ 27, 2 @ 29, 1@ 31, 1 @ 38, 1 @ 58 and 1 @ 67. This season, there have been 14 occasions when we have scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps were as follows: 1 @ 8 minutes, 1 @ 9, 1 @ 10, 1 @ 11, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 17, 1 @ 18, 2 @ 22, 2 @ 37, 1@ 38, 1 @ 43 and 1 @ 81. I’d say that especially this season there is no correlation between celebrating a goal and conceding soon afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Angry said: Because I was bored, and because I doubted that this was correct, I have done the research on our league games this season and last season. Last season, there were 27 occasions when we scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps between these goals, in ascending order, were as follows: 2 @ 1 minute, 2 @ 2, 1 @ 3, 1 @5, 3 @ 6, 2 @ 7, 3 @ 9, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 14, 1@ 17, 1 @ 19, 2 @ 23, 1@ 27, 2 @ 29, 1@ 31, 1 @ 38, 1 @ 58 and 1 @ 67. This season, there have been 14 occasions when we have scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps were as follows: 1 @ 8 minutes, 1 @ 9, 1 @ 10, 1 @ 11, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 17, 1 @ 18, 2 @ 22, 2 @ 37, 1@ 38, 1 @ 43 and 1 @ 81. I’d say that especially this season there is no correlation between celebrating a goal and conceding soon afterwards. I make that 17 goals scored within ten minutes of a celebration. So where goals were conceded within ten minutes of a celebration, what were the celebrations like? And what were the celebrations like for the rest? Carelessness, complacency, the other team trying harder all come in to it, but losing focus is a key part of why opposition teams score after you have scored. Goals should be celebrated of course, but within reason - and daft choreographed celebrations are not good for a team's focus - and it is an old adage is that a team is most vulnerable just after it has scored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,156 Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr Angry said: Because I was bored, and because I doubted that this was correct, I have done the research on our league games this season and last season. Last season, there were 27 occasions when we scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps between these goals, in ascending order, were as follows: 2 @ 1 minute, 2 @ 2, 1 @ 3, 1 @5, 3 @ 6, 2 @ 7, 3 @ 9, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 14, 1@ 17, 1 @ 19, 2 @ 23, 1@ 27, 2 @ 29, 1@ 31, 1 @ 38, 1 @ 58 and 1 @ 67. This season, there have been 14 occasions when we have scored, and the next goal was scored by the opposition. The gaps were as follows: 1 @ 8 minutes, 1 @ 9, 1 @ 10, 1 @ 11, 1 @ 12, 1 @ 17, 1 @ 18, 2 @ 22, 2 @ 37, 1@ 38, 1 @ 43 and 1 @ 81. I’d say that especially this season there is no correlation between celebrating a goal and conceding soon afterwards. Last season IMO we were caught out too often just after scoring and at the start of each half. I don't think we've been nearly so bad this season FWIW. That would be supported by your numbers which show 6 goals conceded in the 5 minutes after scoring, compared to none this season. I'm not saying we didn't concede goals after bigger gaps too, just that we seemed unusually vulnerable just after scoring. Personally I don't think it's down to excessive celebrations, which if anything have been more overblown this season than last season. I think it was being prone to lapses in concentration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,456 Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr Angry said: 2 @ 1 minute, 2 @ 2, 1 @ 3, 1 @5, 3 @ 6, 2 @ 7, 3 @ 9 Not the point but that is genuinely quite a stat. 14 goals conceded within 10 minutes of scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,290 Posted February 5, 2020 Both sets of players raising their hands every time the ball goes out of play for a throw in, goal kick or corner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 4,938 Posted February 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Both sets of players raising their hands every time the ball goes out of play for a throw in, goal kick or corner. Jesus, yes! Sometimes you watch and think “they must think we/the ref/linesman is blind”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary dwarf 221 Posted February 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Fiery Zac said: Defenders (or any player) basically wrestling an attacking player away from the ball to let it roll out of play for a goal kick. More often than not would be given as a free kick anywhere else on the pitch, why are the rules different when attempting to shepherd the ball out of play? Yeah it's something I've never really understood, very annoying😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,290 Posted February 5, 2020 Coaching staff with their initials on their track suits. For who's benefit is that? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,290 Posted February 5, 2020 And if clubs insist on playing celebratory music when we score a goal, shouldn't they play something really sombre - like a funeral march - when the opposition score? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,701 Posted February 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Coaching staff with their initials on their track suits. For who's benefit is that? The kit man's, when they're washed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,290 Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fuzzar said: The kit man's, when they're washed. Couldn't they have their name tags sewn in like your mum used to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,512 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, It's Character Forming said: Last season IMO we were caught out too often just after scoring and at the start of each half. I don't think we've been nearly so bad this season FWIW. That would be supported by your numbers which show 6 goals conceded in the 5 minutes after scoring, compared to none this season. I'm not saying we didn't concede goals after bigger gaps too, just that we seemed unusually vulnerable just after scoring. Personally I don't think it's down to excessive celebrations, which if anything have been more overblown this season than last season. I think it was being prone to lapses in concentration. Last season, we conceded 2 goals in the first 5 minutes of the first half and 2 in the first 5 minutes of the second half. Those stats are the same this season so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,512 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, lake district canary said: I make that 17 goals scored within ten minutes of a celebration. So where goals were conceded within ten minutes of a celebration, what were the celebrations like? And what were the celebrations like for the rest? Carelessness, complacency, the other team trying harder all come in to it, but losing focus is a key part of why opposition teams score after you have scored. Goals should be celebrated of course, but within reason - and daft choreographed celebrations are not good for a team's focus - and it is an old adage is that a team is most vulnerable just after it has scored. I would agree that if we conceded within say 5 minutes after scoring, you might be able to put it down to a lack of concentration, but that wouldn’t necessarily be down to the celebration-one of the commentator’s biggest cliches is that a team is most vulnerable when they’ve just scored. But it may be down to a brilliant piece of skill from the opposition. I would say though that anything longer than 5 minutes after we score is not “soon” so in my opinion, last season we conceded 6 goals soon after scoring and this season we haven’t conceded any. Obviously though, we have scored far less this season 😳 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted February 5, 2020 Jurgen Klopp's willie. That is a little thing attached to something that annoys me. Bring back Ferguson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaunieboy77 72 Posted February 5, 2020 What is it with commentators who cant help mentioning that a player has a wand of a left foot but not a player who has a wand of a right foot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said: Coaching staff with their initials on their track suits. For who's benefit is that? The person who does the laundry..and the kitman, if it's not the same person. It's also very helpful when you arrive at an away venue to play a game, you may know the opposition manager/ coaches name but have no idea what he looks like. One more thing, at start of training, players and coaches will be well wrapped upon winter, as the session progresses, garments are inevitably discarded, usually in a heap somewhere. Makes it a lot easier to find your outer shell layer among 30 identical ones if it has your initials on. I hope if given you enough reason not to be pi$$ed off at those little letters anymore now you know several reasons why they exist. Edited February 5, 2020 by wcorkcanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites