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Just now, sonyc said:

Probably the first category Teemu Van. I don't ever aim to propogate false information or be intentional in order to influence. I was expressing an emotion in the main part of my post, which I felt was self-evident. Yet, I will seek the source I read about the 4 %.

I'm not talking about Ukip though and their supporters / voters but I'm sure the reference was made in terms of the whole population.

Maybe I've lived in a strange vaccum though. I'm certainly a nobody though Teemu.

Here's an article with an interesting graph, showing polling data going back 40 years.

http://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250

Most people wanted to leave in the years which followed joining the EEC.

pro-EU sentiment peaked in the early 90's. Country has been divided on the issue since 1993 (which is when we joined the European Union).

People didn't seem to mind the EEC, circa 1986-1993.

It was of course the EEC that we voted to join in the 70's. We never got our say on what followed.

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I had scrambled eggs on toast for breakfast with a nice cup of coffee. Wtf has this got to do with Norwich City and Football?? There is already an endless thread on this in the non forum that’s long descended into bringing out the worst in people...

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1 minute ago, sonyc said:

Probably the first category Teemu Van. I don't ever aim to propogate false information or be intentional in order to influence. I was expressing an emotion in the main part of my post, which I felt was self-evident. Yet, I will seek the source I read about the 4 %.

I'm not talking about Ukip though and their supporters / voters but I'm sure the reference was made in terms of the whole population.

Maybe I've lived in a strange vaccum though. I'm certainly a nobody though Teemu.

No you are right*. Our membership was never a main priority amongst voters but then the press started hammering the anti immigrant/anti EU stuff regularly on the front pages, and the polls went through the roof. There was always an element of euroscepticism but the pure anti-EU vitriol we now see has been purely driven by the right wing press, now aided and abetted by false information piling out of Fakebook and other social media.

*There is a graph showing UK sentiment to membership and it flatlined for years until about 2015/16. I can't find it at the moment but I will try later.

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4 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Here's an article with an interesting graph, showing polling data going back 40 years.

http://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250

Most people wanted to leave in the years which followed joining the EEC.

pro-EU sentiment peaked in the early 90's. Country has been divided on the issue since 1993 (which is when we joined the European Union).

People didn't seem to mind the EEC, circa 1986-1993.

It was of course the EEC that we voted to join in the 70's. We never got our say on what followed.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/the-european-union/

 

This is what I found Teemu. Interesting young v old stats of course.

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1 minute ago, Herman said:

No you are right*. Our membership was never a main priority amongst voters but then the press started hammering the anti immigrant/anti EU stuff regularly on the front pages, and the polls went through the roof. There was always an element of euroscepticism but the pure anti-EU vitriol we now see has been purely driven by the right wing press, now aided and abetted by false information piling out of Fakebook and other social media.

*There is a graph showing UK sentiment to membership and it flatlined for years until about 2015/16. I can't find it at the moment but I will try later.

Just posted to TeemuV Herman

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4 minutes ago, JF said:

I had scrambled eggs on toast for breakfast with a nice cup of coffee. Wtf has this got to do with Norwich City and Football?? There is already an endless thread on this in the non forum that’s long descended into bringing out the worst in people...

Back to football for me now JF. It's partly my fault for posting about it (which I largely declined to do in the famous EU thread of old). I suppose it's historic importance is what has influenced me this morning. It's my therapy I guess ....to express myself / not keep it bottled up.

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9 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

We are out of one of the biggest gravy trains ever.

 

Expense fiddles of unequal performance.

 

If some uninformed people want to pay their taxes to fund it then it's up to them.

 

I don't (didn't.)

The irony here is that one of the major reasons that a lot of the establishment was opposed to the EU is that they were taking actions against tax havens that so many of the mega rich Brexit backers enjoy!

Strangely they didn't publish this in the media that they own!

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10 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Agreed. Just have to hope what happens in the next 12 months is constructive and doesn't lead to more political chaos. Like the election result, the real work of negotiation is where the impact will be felt. Let's hope the government is up to it now everyone's stopped the shouting.

Absolutely sonic, the bumbling buffoon now has to take control to work with the EU to get things done in 12 months!

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3 minutes ago, Badger said:

The irony here is that one of the major reasons that a lot of the establishment was opposed to the EU is that they were taking actions against tax havens that so many of the mega rich Brexit backers enjoy!

Strangely they didn't publish this in the media that they own!

Then you should vote for a party that will continue this work.

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It’s ignorant to say it won’t affect us. That’s a ridiculously huge generalisation. I can say that it has already had massive implications for my business due to the new regulations regarding importation/exportation of livestock that were implemented last March. Without going into detail, this year is going to be very difficult. And I won’t be alone by a long stretch. 

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1 hour ago, Badger said:

The irony here is that one of the major reasons that a lot of the establishment was opposed to the EU is that they were taking actions against tax havens that so many of the mega rich Brexit backers enjoy!

Strangely they didn't publish this in the media that they own!

I wonder where the mega rich Remainers store their money?

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We have never been a good fit in the EEC/ECB our political view and system is too different to the rest of Europe which is also primarily socialist. 

We only elect socialists when they manage to dominate the middle ground. 

Europe is wonderful but it is tribally so diverse a union is doomed in the long run. The EEC is basically a mechanism to reconcile Germany and France and it was working until German reunification. 

Germany is too big now and German expansion has caused instability for 150 years. The Germans are great people but make bad leaders. 

We now have to work together for this country. We need to increase our confidence and unify. 

Brexit apparently made us a laughing stock. What it will prove is we are still the world's greatest democratic people and by that I include British people of all heritage who follow the ideals. 

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I love this thread, no name calling or belittling from anyone, unlike the other one 👍

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We don’t always like the outcomes in life but we have to accept and not move on, it’s going to be the next couple year which will define where we are in the grand scheme of things.

It was noticeable how food & utility bills increased and how high street spending has been hit by online shopping. Without jobs, we are stuffed so let’s hope our hidden unemployed get off the universal credit system and work to build the potential shortfall created.

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Two things to say on this.  The Brexiteers go on about Democracy BUT only 37% of the country voted for it - how democratic is that?  Secondly a strong united Europe is necessary to protect it's interests against those of the super powers China, U S A, Russia, and in due course India and Brazil. What chance would Europe have to stand up to these super powers if it was split into 27 individual countries. 

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Great news, at last. No longer a province.  Who could be possibly broken hearted. There was a democratic vote and we are still a democracy. Just. All that has gone before last night since that vote has shown just how close we have become to not being such. 

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28 minutes ago, Surfbird said:

The Brexiteers go on about Democracy BUT only 37% of the country voted for it - how democratic is that?

As in every Election or Referendum everybody who was eligible to vote had the chance to vote.

Some do vote, some don't vote.

Twas ever thus.

 

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:
4 hours ago, Badger said:

The irony here is that one of the major reasons that a lot of the establishment was opposed to the EU is that they were taking actions against tax havens that so many of the mega rich Brexit backers enjoy!

Strangely they didn't publish this in the media that they own!

I wonder where the mega rich Remainers store their money?

Not in the same off shore funds it would seem! My guess is that their wealth is generated within the EU and that their fear of loss here is greater than the fear of being unable to find off-shore havens.

Somebody will no doubt be doing a PhD thesis investigating this, but I doubt that it will never attract much attention - when I was still at University, many years ago, I did a research assignment into finance capital in the UK and how it was inter-linked. One of the main works I read was by Norwich-based WL Guttsmann, whose wife became Lord Mayor of Norwich! 

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4 hours ago, JF said:

I had scrambled eggs on toast for breakfast with a nice cup of coffee. Wtf has this got to do with Norwich City and Football?? There is already an endless thread on this in the non forum that’s long descended into bringing out the worst in people...

Spot on actually. Thread needs moving. Glad to hear you still have supplies of food and coffee though, enjoy while they last. 🙃

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Been to Aldi’s today  Panic buying, shelves emptying fast is this the end or a new beginning.  

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8 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Then you should vote for a party that will continue this work.

" No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in" - strange really that no one appears to know the source of this old aphorism but it's certainly been the case for a long time in the UK that voting is a complete waste of time for a large majority of the population.

One of the reasons perhaps for the relatively low turnouts in our elections.

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1 hour ago, daly said:

Been to Aldi’s today  Panic buying, shelves emptying fast is this the end or a new beginning.  

Neither, the shelves at Aldi have always emptied fast - I don't think the Brexiteers have twigged that both Aldi and Lidl are German owned.

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Impossible I think to predict how it'll turn out, but it's the end of an era.

Security wise - after 70+ years of (relative) peace in Europe , I hope that will continue.

Economically who the hell knows?  (but I DO give a **** about it)

Onwards and upwards (or sideways, or downwards) 🤨

 

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26 minutes ago, Derry Quay said:

Impossible I think to predict how it'll turn out, but it's the end of an era.

Security wise - after 70+ years of (relative) peace in Europe , I hope that will continue.

Economically who the hell knows?  (but I DO give a **** about it)

Onwards and upwards (or sideways, or downwards) 🤨

 

I suspect peace in Europe will all centre on how Indyref2 turns out. 

If the Scots vote to leave the UK, we'll just have to invade and put a stop to it like we have throughout all history.

 

 

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I think we will be too busy fighting the Spanish over Gibraltar, Iwan.

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